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[A Song of Ice and Fire, Books and Books+Show] Touch this thread and all shall be spoilt
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Frey. He meant Walder Frey.
But, yeah. Robb Marrying Jeyne had absolutely nothing to do with her being the daughter of a Lord. It was because he slept with her and didn't want to
a. ruin her marriage prospects
b. have a bastard who would be treated like his brother Jon.
As has been said it was her honour over his.
So when you look at it its really Catelyn's fault for the way she treated Jon Snow![/sarcasm]
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http://www.gameofthrones-thegame.com/
Anyone hear ANYTHING about this game, good or bad?
Trailer and conbat preview video.
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I don't think you are getting that the only reason he gave a shit about ruining her marriage prospects and such is because she's the daughter of a Lord.
Had she been some random peasant, he might have felt bad about it, but people would have just slapped him and told him to move on. A King doesn't marry a commoner cause he fucks her.
edit:
Although....that may just be my own spin on it and it may not even say that in the literature. I have a tendency to skip Catleyn chapters when I reread or read a chapter or two when I'm bored.
Anyway, Oona of Volantis may actually be a lord equivalent of Volantis so the whole story may be much the same except for the Tywin influence (which would be a shame).
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Little is known about it, but it's not (completely) a generic "IP tie-in". It's been in development for a couple of years; is based on Unreal Engine 3; the story has been vetted by Martin; HBO has granted the studio the rights to use the actor likenesses and props from the show.
There are two characters, one of whom is a skinchanger from the south (which aggravates me) with a pet dog. He's been banished to the Wall for one reason or another. He can warg into the dog to find secrets and track people by their scent. [heavy sarcasm]Joy[/heavy sarcasm].
The other is a guy who is sent into exile on Essos and becomes a red priest. He can look into the flames to find clues and such. One of the press release lines talk about this guy gaining access to fire magic at a high level; this bothers me, but until I see how they implement it, I'm just going to remain skeptical.
The combat system is considered "innovative", and features a sort of real-time pause, from what I understand. There's a video. I haven't watched it.
From what I remember (I can't find the press release at the moment), there are archetypes you choose after selecting your character - Rangers, Sellswords and Hedge Knights were mentioned, I think. At a certain point (or points, maybe) you specialize your base archetype - Hedge Knight becomes Landed Knight.
My very skeptical nature insists they are using the terms from the books without really understanding where those terms come from and the context each implies. Further, I am worried that they're going to reduce each of these archetypes to the generic Rogue, Warrior, Mage group, and attendant hybrids.
The sister studio, responsible for the "RTS" A Game of Thrones: Genesis did an abysmal job with respect to the lore; the game was fairly buggy; and it wasn't nearly as detailed as I would have liked.
edit: Forgot to mention the time-frame. Takes place during A Game of Thrones, and will end around the time that book ends.
Time will tell.
So much potential, such poor execution.
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Yeah, absolutely wait for a sale. The only reason I have Genesis is because it was on sale for $10 at Christmas, and I had a faint hope that I could try to mod it to be better.
As much as I like Mount & Blade, I'm not sure it has the right perspective. Too much of the game is focused on combat (from what I've seen), or running about, visiting villages and hiring peasants to work for you.
The minor lord or knight who is in charge of that village would probably hunt you down if you tried to hire his peasants. A peasant raising what amounts to a peasant army would not be tolerated.
Which leaves the player as a minor noble (littlefinger), a boy from Flea Bottom (Davos), a member of a sellsword company, a sellsword (Bronn), a hedge knight (Ser Duncan), a sworn sword (The Hound, I guess), a bastard child of a noble (Jon, Mya), an exiled noble (Dany, Jorah).
While there's no difficulty in designing the game to allow a similar starting point, the fans would yell and scream if the developers didn't let them follow the exact same path. "Select Sellsword - be in tavern when Tyrion gets kidnapped - become best buddies - become a knight - become a lord". Obsessive fans have a limited imagination, I've found.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to explore an interactive map of Westeros. From the Wall to the Arbor, just walking along, getting a true sense of the scale of the place. Hell, throw in Essos and Sothoryos and the Summer Islands, as well. Not as a character, but as a camera: Assassin's Creed and Rome; Google Earth.
When the player becomes a character, the developer / designer has to have a victory condition. Ascending with the Amulet of Yendor; Defeating Mother Brain; becoming Queen of the realm ... and, especially in a realistic, gritty world like Westeros, it simply isn't the case that any 'origin' you choose can have the same victory condition: a landed knight can't become king, without plot! dictating that he's the long lost third cousin twice removed of a bastard son of the fifth daughter of a king, and the entire line of succession just happens to have been wiped out. Next, death has to mean something. When you die, you wouldn't simply reload; that character would be dead. Same with being sent to the Wall. Unless there's an adaptive random story generator, or something.
Along the same lines, with player-as-character, the player's options are limited: a hedge knight has no money - it is unlikely he'll be sailing to Essos. A noble has responsibilities - he can't simply abscond. Further, a noble and a knight would have incredibly different gameplay mechanics.
It becomes very difficult to allow the player-as-character free reign throughout the world without compromising the world's lore; The Elder Scrolls get around this by making the character special - Dragonborn, Nerevarine, and so on - and by not allowing the player to make any lasting changes.
whoa. This got very long. I haven't really considered any of this before, so I'm sure there are plenty of logical holes and it's quite likely I'm over-thinking it. Apologies.
Characters should also totally be allowed to die, and when that happens they have no further chapters, but you hear about what was happening in their neck of the woods as a result of their death.
Essentially, write a different "possible" story for each character as if they died on each chapter, and find a way to weave it all together over 20 hours or so.
The replayability would be insane, and it would feel in line with the lore and harshness of the world.
I would play this game.
well....
I'll try! I've actually been working on a "difficult, realistic" combat system for a couple of months now. Been prototyping it as a card game. If you're interested, I could send you the concepts.
So, Heavy Rain: Winter Edition?
He married her because he fell in love, which he tells everyone who calls him crazy, fairly often.
There's a Westeros mod for Crusader Kings 2 in the works. I think its by the same people who did the Crusader Kings 1 Westeros mod but I can't be sure. Comradebot in the PI thread is in the beta (alpha?) for it. Can't wait for it to come out.
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But again, she was a noble. This makes it silly but ok.
The King doesn't marry a peasant. This shit doesn't fly. A minor noble might marry a rich merchant (what Jeyne's father did in the book), but that's considered pathetic. That's "I'm on my last legs and can't find a decent match and god I need the money".
Do we know for a fact that she's not actually Jeyne? She was awful coy when she was giving Robb her details. Wouldn't be the first time a woman gave an evasive answer when a guy was looking for her contact info.
But... no. You're right. My theory would imply that the show is fucking with us, and Game of Thrones wouldn't do that. Not this show.
I guess when noble men ask noble women out in Westeros they ask for a cage of ravens from their castle's rookery.
And if the noble girls are being coquettish, they might give the guy the wrong raven!
That's what I'm saying. I bet a lot of girls do the Westeros equivilant of giving a telephone number like 328-694-6367 (EAT-MY-HODOR).
The only real evidence one way or the other is that, when Oona was hired, HBO gave out information that she was playing a "Jeyne". Without a last name.
That said, when the show starts veering off from the books like it seems to be doing here (or like discussed earlier with Brienne and her first actual kill), I hope it replaces some of the subtlety of plot and character that we had with something fitting instead.
I guess I assumed it was Jayne. In the book the only thing that's really said of her before marrying Robb is that she nursed him back to health after he took an arrow in the battle and her father was a lesser Lanister Bannerman. It seemed a natural extension of her character to be roaming Lanister lands trying to help people out during the war, and it gives a little more substance to the relationship other than "I got hurt, she helped me, we banged."
"I don't think the Freys are going to care about Robb blowing off his engagement, that guy Walder is totally weak anyway."
Ahahha, you illterate fools!
Anyways, was reading an interesting theory that Jeyne may have been switched and escaped with Brandon, possibly while pregnant. It hinges on her younger sister never being mentioned to Jaime or in fact at all, Jaime describing her hips as narrow and Cat describing the original's as wide and her doing things to obscure her face under the guise of mourning. Essentially her siblings were loyal to Robb and worked to help her escape and the mom went along with it after the fact to protect the family (hence the faux-Jeyne, the sister, emotion and why the mom slapped her.)
Also brought up was that she's a descendant of Maggie the Frog, and could be the younger, prettier queen to bring down Cersei.
The pregnancy is explained as either the mother was lying (really was giving fertility potions and lied to the Lannisters) or Jeyne or her attendants figured it out and never took it.
Glancing through Storm of Swords, I find this difficult to believe: Jeyne's sister is a full four years younger. But, mind posting the full theory?
I have been chatting with my non book friends that I got hooked on the show. The ignorant fools. I keep telling them that shit goes down this season and the next but they are unaware of the magnitude.
One friend said "Why was Mel in pain when she was giving brith to that shadow thingy? Wouldnt it essentially be just a queef?" I lold pretty hard.
They called it a shadow without prompting? That fills me with confidence.
The wiki has a very short write up on it, I just found: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jeyne_Westerling/Theories
It's kind of an out there theory.
it is, but very neat. thanks, good read.
I missed that frey was the subject of the last quote somehow, whoops
* A word of praise for my mother - I watched the first two episodes of the first season with her, then she read all of the books. Now we both sit there and snidely snigger at my younger brother, who comes out with such classics as "I can't wait until Ned escapes!" and "I can't wait until Robb finally kills Joffrey!".
Much derisive cackling ensues. It almost borders on psychological child abuse.
I also take great delight in telling him "false" spoilers which are actually completely true.