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[A Song of Ice and Fire, Books and Books+Show] Touch this thread and all shall be spoilt
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Though I'm intrigued as to how the hell they're going to do
I agree we've lost a lot here, losing those guys also makes Arya's decision to "waste" her wishes harder to understand. In the books shes being beaten and abused regularly by these assholes and has seen people tortured and killed by them, and heard them boast and brag about the horrific shit they did to people even on the way to Harrenhal.
But in the show she's right next to Tywin day in and day out. Harder to understand her decision not to have him killed.
Is roose going to show up like he did in the books? and weasel soup?
We also lose (SOS SPOILER):
I like new Margary a LOT though. I don't think she was ever the counterpoint to Sansa in the way you suggest. I think the Tyrells were always active players, Margary included. In fact in general I think the show shows us explicitly a lot of things that were going in the book, but we couldnt see directly since we had no POV characters there. It fills in the blanks on a lot of implicit stuff, which I like.
Is roose going to show up like he did in the books? and weasel soup?
Well, right now if Tywin dies Arya's probably just going back into the pigsty and the torturer's understudy gets to practice on her. Anyway, it'll prolly go like in the books - the first death she doesn't really believe he can kill ANYONE yet, so she picks an easy target. Second one she gets angry at a horrible guard and orders his death, realizes she fucked up but can't take it back in time. And then #3 will probably still result in Harrenhal falling to the Boltons.
Since Arya's not going by Weasel, apparently they named the jailer Weasel. So there's definitely still going to still be Weasel soup, just with a slightly different reason for the name.
...ok. The guy just finished brashly exiling his cousin for saying he was tired and needed a rest, and made it redundantly clear that if he weren't a Lannister, he'd be dead for saying that. Next up, his servant threatens to kill him, and... what exactly? Explain your superior sense of humanity here.
Honestly, it wasn't a threat. Arya just spoke a universal truth. "Anyone can be killed" is simply true. Yes, it can be viewed as a threat... if you're an insecure pussy. Tywin ain't that.
Tywin abhors weakness, and that's even more apparent in TV Tywin. He respects Robb because he is not weak. He sacked that Lannister cousin because he was complaining about being tired when there was work to do. He likes Arya because she proved smart, capable, and realistic. He hates Tyrion because he is viewed as a weak
demon monkeydwarf, even as he understands Tyrion's utility to him.He's not going to kill Arya for reminding him that anyone can die. He'd rather his lieutennants learned something from her northern mindset.
I enjoy this interpretation, because it.means
1. As a mirror to Sansa's scene in the previous episode when the Lannister's were talking about Robb. I forget the exact line, but the implication was that the true king was Robb and he could win.
2. I've seen my father die, I've watched commoners chosen at random to die, I've killed and all men must die.
3. As just a fact, a precursor to the ending scene when she sees her first wish granted.
She's not
All men must die
valar morghulis
Yeah, I knew about all that.
Also, to be fair, the naked bit in ADwD is pretty extreme... her starkers on the street in front of hundreds of people getting shit thrown at her. I would understand any actor or actress who wanted to somehow film around that.
It frankly makes no sense for Arya to want Tywin dead, from her point of view he's actually one of the better people without Stark after their name that she has met.
Humans often act suboptimally.
True.
That said, I should go watch 300 again. :winky:
so I guess we dont get that myrish swamp scene huh
2. Cut out Quentyn's story
3. Cut out Jon Connington, etc.
4. Cut out most of the Greyjoys
5. Cut out the whole Dorne/Martell with Myrcella entirely
I really just don't see these people working as characters after being introduced so late
Streamline the story into what it SHOULD have been, if Martin had maintained his brilliant writing from 1-3 in 4 and 5.
All of that is stupid. You basically want the show to eliminate the entirety of Dany's storyline and some very significant, big things that matter for the overall arc. Some stuff will have to be cut from AFFC and ADWD in whichever season
they inhabit, but pretty much everything you've listed is pretty important to the story.
Moreover, most of the concerns people had with AFFC and ADWD was that it was so loooooong without much plot movement. All of that is alleviated in the television show, by necessity. They only have 10 episodes per season and only 60 minutes of screen time each week. Each character is only getting maybe a scene or two once every second episode at this point; do you think that the show will indulge hours of Brienne riding around the wilderness with Podrick and Nimble Dick? Or Tyrion wondering aloud where do whores go?
I don't think so.
Moreover, Jon Connington is awesome (as is everyone from Dorne), and totally necessary for the plot. Aegon, whether he is legitimate or not, is a pretty big deal.
2. Can be avoided in some ways, just reveal him when he arrives, then he gets himself charbroiled.
3. May be very important in the future.
4. Hell no, Victarion is one of the best parts of DWD, right after Theon.
5. This is the only way that the Dornish are introduced in the show, how else will The Red Viper be explained if we have no clue who the Martells are and why they hate the Lannisters so much?
1&3. And now you cut Aegon, might as well cut Varys at this point.
4. I say again: What?
For me, the big thing from the books that I wonder if it will be cut or not is the songs. The whole appeal of these books for me is how much world is not like it is in bard's songs but then suddenly it is - that is the return of magic IMHO. Your fingers or your tongue, bard, which do you want cut?
Yeah a lot of these books have turned into filler. Book 3 was the high point of the series, matched only by perhaps the theon work in book 5, which is some of GRRM's best stuff. I still love them, but I wish they maintained the level they had at SOS.
2. Cut out Quentyn's story - Yeah he was kinda pointless in the end. But as you were reading you didn't KNOW he was gonna end up pointless. He's like Renly, but his death doesnt even affect anything. Not as if in dying he frees the dragons. He's prime material for a cut.
3. Cut out Jon Connington, etc.- I agree the late appearance of a "new" targaryen is bullshit and should have been foreshadowed somewhat, but these guys may turn out to be important. In fact, I'm pretty sure they will.
4. Cut out most of the Greyjoys - the kingsmoot stuff is probably part of completing theon/asha's arcs, and the horn could be important for dany
5. Cut out the whole Dorne/Martell with Myrcella entirely -Agreed, this could be mentioned in an offhand way and we'd lose nothing.
I really just don't see these people working as characters after being introduced so late- Agreed. Their late appearance in book 5/7 is just horseshit. He needed to foreshadow this at least a little bit, but none of it was there. It's all pretty clearly a late in the game asspull, which would be fine, except its also just filler. You can see how a trilogy expanded into 5 books and then 7 books and he kinda has no idea what he's doing anymore and it scares me for books 6 and 7. But unlike the other new plot threads, at least we knew Dorne existed, even though they weren't active players (quite deliberately as it turns out)
It's just so alien to me, and the way I approach books.
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1. Most of Brienne's traveling but you've got to have the inn with Gendry and Stoneheart at the end. Maybe cut the Septon and Ser Used-To-Work-For-Tarly entirely unless the Ser proves important later on.
2. Most of the Damphair's stuff. Maybe the Kingsmoot too but you've got to have a reason for Asha to go to the Iron Islands and flee.
3. Cut down Cersei's and Dany's screen time drastically.
4. Cut out Jaime's visit to the Brackens (Blackwood?...the River Landers with the dead Heart Tree) and have Brienne meet with him some other way. Maybe cut out his second visit with the Holy Hundred to Harrenhall.
5. The prologue to Feast. Unless the whole maester angle and Jaqen/Pate becomes very important later on.
5. Sam's stuff could be cut down a lot too. I mean his first chapter could be cut down in Feast a lot. You see him in a library full of old books, he looks tired, gets a message to go see Jon, skip out the mouse thing and him thinking about how these books are O So Old and O So Delicate and I Wish I Could Read More, conversation with Jon (two chapters in one here!), off I go to Eastwatch. That was a fairly long chapter. How long would it take on screen?
6. Maybe Tyrion jousting on a pig cause that aint gonna happen on screen. Have him do some other folly. Maybe make the Bear and the Maiden Fair the actual show.
Lots of little things.
I know this is really vague but I find it hard to figure out what exactly would be suitably cut because I'm really sad whenever they change anything. What I'm trying to say is cutting out entire massive chunks of the story is crazy and they'd never do that. They'll just cut bits and pieces down.
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You tried to write season(s), but put brackets instead of parentheses. Which turned it into the html code for strike. ... odd that it didn't require a close tag, but Vanilla is weird, to say the least.
Do you really need to be a dick about it?
Totally Tormund. That's great! He's my favourite wildling.
Ah, yeah, I see that now. Thanks for the heads up.
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Someone started speculating about possible hidden motives/characterization for Shae and this was the latest post.
I concur it should be Tormund!
Sorry, but when the suggestions are "Let's cut every plot thread for the second half of the series", mockery and disdain is required.