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ninjaininjai Registered User regular
edited May 2012 in Artist's Corner
Hey guys, haven't been around much, have drawn even less frequently. Got me an office job now with lots of downtime so I'll be doodling every now and again and I'll post it here for feedbacks. Still struggling with the whole "confident lines" thing.

These are all guys from the class I had to take as well as my impression of them :P

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These are some dicky doodles I did the other day. I couldn't get good pictures of them...

[edit] I recut the first one so that it reads right... i hope...
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  • wahaywahay Your Handicapped Hero Cincinnati, USARegistered User regular
    The first images of the faces indeed look confident! The face with the deep voice seems to be the most expressive.

    The sequential art is hard for me to read. I can't appreciate much at the small size, but from what I can tell the visual hierarchy is a bit unnatural.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Thanks for the compliment! I had a lot of fun with the faces, I particularly like the repeats everything he says guy.

    Yeah the sequential stuff was drawn because I happened to have paper and I ran out of space so I made do with whatever happened.


    Here's some stuff I did today.

    More farcry 2 playing I guess... This was just before I posted my "I'm bored" in chat.
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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    I dru a pritty pitcher YAY!
    IDK if you can read it... there really has to be a better way of doing this.
    Also I am bad at comicking


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  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    I'm assuming there are some restrictions that are preventing you from getting a scanner. Im also assuming you are just holding your sketch book for pictures.

    The best thing to do would be to tape the loose pages to a wall and get two lights on them. Even with a crappy camera and desk lamps, the photos will come out better. With the sketch book it will be a little harder, but you can put it on a flat surface and shoot from directly above it.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Iruka wrote: »
    I'm assuming there are some restrictions that are preventing you from getting a scanner. Im also assuming you are just holding your sketch book for pictures.
    Your assumptions are correct. The flat surface thing was unsuccessful as it is not a spiral bound book and the pages kept getting in the way, but I'll definitely give that tape idea a try next I have something to upload. Thanks for the suggestion :D Always appreciate your feedback

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    squidbunny wrote: »
    If Spex were here he'd probably have about 8000 words to say on the subject.

    Yes. This is how I recall the events in [chat]

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    Is the image quality any better?

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    I am bad @ comix yay!
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    Edit

    Fuck I've regressed quite a bit as an artist... Either that or im just lazy

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    I feel like I've regressed or just very very out of practice.
    I can still get the basic form of the body if I do the forms before the drawing, but that always leads to sloppy messes. I guess I'll start there.
    Any other feedback would be nice.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Some more pictures of people. These were done whilst enjoying a cigar at the local cigar lounge. These are all very interesting people. I hope I've portrayed that

    the "mike" one looks fucked up like the van goh self portrait. idk why it turned out like that

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    edit: I think I'm missing one, but its out in the car....


    fuck it

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  • MustangMustang Registered User regular
    I love this thread, you may be slightly mad, but crazy people are the best kind of people.

  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Mustang wrote: »
    I love this thread, you may be slightly mad, but crazy people are the best kind of people.

    MADNESS!? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS IS!?


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    Spoiler:

    Here's some other stuff. And thanks Mustang ;)
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  • wahaywahay Your Handicapped Hero Cincinnati, USARegistered User regular
    Very thoughtful of your forms and posture! Do upload more! :3c

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Hey thanks! I don't know what that means (kinda vague), but I appreciate it! :P

    Here's another guy. Old dude smoking cigar
    I took this photo like 20 times and every time it got blurrier... idk what the deal is. I'll try to retake it tomorrow.

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  • NicNic Registered User
    Maybe your camera battery needs charging? Unless you used a webcam...

    Anyway, I really like the playfulness of your stuff, very fun and not afraid to be cheesy.

  • GrifterGrifter TorontoSuper Moderator, Moderator mod
    You may want to try putting the camera on a steady surface when you take the picture instead of holding it in your hands. You might also want to try to adjust the levels of these pictures in Photoshop so the background isn't so grey.

  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Hey thanks nic! I'm using my cell phone lol @ grifter I wouldn't know how to put my cell phone on a stead surface to take a picture.

    So I finally got so fed up with my lead breaking that I just went out to our local art store and bought a lead holder. I'm liking it so far. I did the comic down there with it.
    The cap is a sharpener :D
    The guy there was talking to me about blue pencil and bristol paper, markers n shit. I don't think I'm ready for all that yet. I still need to draw good :C
    This is about a guy that never stops talking.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Did these while out tonight. A place called rendezvous. Terrible lighting, I quit both because they moved significantly.
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    I don't know if you guys remember pineappleherb but I love that guys stuff, and I want to do LIKE THAT. He's been a huge inspiration to me in the past.

    Question: Drawing from life, in person say... on that first one I posted up there... (several attempts at writing this sentence...)

    I don't really know how to word that. I guess what I'm saying is I'm bad at drawing people or things when they've moved... am I missing something.

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  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Drawing people who dont know you are drawing them is kind of a game. Its the game of "let me take as much information I can get from this reference as efficiently as I can" I usually switch up my goals, sometimes I go for likeness, sometimes I'm studying structure.

    The best thing would be to switch up the short sketching of people with longer, pointed figure studies. If you have a friend you can actually ask to sit still, that may do. If you cant do that, try going at it after you've done some studying in anatomy books, and go into it with a goal ( "I'm going to study the planes of the face") For the most part, accept that you will probably only get a minute or two with a standing person, or maybe 5 minutes with a sitting, reading person, and take advantage of the time.

    This is my favorite airport activity, so I've got strategies, haha.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Thanks iruka. I've been looking for a couple of people to sit and draw with so I can use them as a reference (I've seen other people doing that in the past and thought it might be fun) kind of hard to schedule though. I could get back into that book I bought and I think my struggle with that has been not really having a goal like you said. Just trying to absorb everything at once has been pointless so far.

    I haven't had a chance to get down to the studio that does the figure drawing sessions in a while (a. money, b. new job/still getting used to schedule. Today I work from 4 am til 11, then going back in from 7pm til 2 am loolololololololol o_o)


    So here's some more stuff.

    Actual conversation... that happened. (sorry for the blurry)
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    Spoiler:

    I did this one to illustrate how a human form can be made using basic shapes.
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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Hey guys. I was trying to find the best way to practice short studies. I thought "hmm, maybe tv? a movie? lets just go sit on the sidewalk downtown?" I didn't really have time for any of these so I googled it.

    I found this!
    pixelovely.com/gesture/figuredrawing.php

    It cycles through photos of men/women, nude/clothed, and lets you set a time limit as to how long you want to spend per photo. (there are also timed lessons, set up like studio's with breaks thrown in, as well as animal photos with the same type of time parameters, though I haven't tried any of those yet)So far these are some of the 2 minute studies I've done using that website.
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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Feelin pretty good about my gestures yesterday, so I went out to downtown and drew this gazebo.
    It's also my first time drawing foliage.
    This is as far as I got before my meter ran out.
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    Spoiler:

    I learned a good lesson about being comfortable when you draw. I was not comfortable. And got eaten by bugs the whole time.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    A mess of 30 second gestures using that website I posted up there.

    By my count that's at least 23 minutes.

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  • GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    Let's try some colors! Do you have access to a program like Photoshop or GIMP?

    Or maybe a 3DS!

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Godfather wrote: »
    Let's try some colors!

    I'm not sure I understand the intent of this suggestion. I have been under the impression from things I've seen all over this forum that unless you have a practical skill to begin with, color and medium just get in the way (specifically digital)...


    Smokin a cigar, drawing other people who were smoking cigars.

    from the top left, Max, Russ, Kieth, Steve, Dave


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    goddamn lopsided ears

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    So I'm pretty happy with the stuff I've been uploading lately. I can see obvious improvement in how I see, line quality, and how I translate what i see to paper (construction etc), especially the previous faces and this one, but I still struggle with actually depicting what I see on paper. Shading being one area that still boggles me (hair/everything), and some other areas that I don't really know how to verbalize.

    I'm at that point where I don't even know how to communicate areas that I'm struggling in because I'm out of my depth. I can just keep doing gestures and faces and stuff, but to what end I don't know.

    Out @ rendezvous again, having a cigar and a drink. My very cute redhead friend joined us this time.
    Again, terrible lighting. It was very hard to see... :(

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    I showed this to the barhop, she's an oil painter, pretty good, and she seconded what Godfather said about starting up with some color, maybe pastels or something...

    I don't know jack shit about any of that.

    I'm not even very good with pencil... just look at that up there!

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    So I'm using that there doohicky with the photoreference gesture thingy after posting what I posted up there. I decided to try the hour long "class" set up with 30 second gestures going all the way up to 30 minutes after a break. This is the result.


    30 second gestures
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    Combo 1-5 minutes
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    10 minutes
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    Holy shit. I did that.

    For this I drew out the shadow shapes that were there along with darker shadow shapes. I filled them in and at the end of the 30 minutes I blended everything together and did some cleaning up. I could have kept cleaning this thing for another 20 minutes but I cut myself off and posted what I had.

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  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Last drawing is looking good.

    There are a few benefits to working in other mediums that may benefit your learning process. Color is a beast on its own, but paint can be used for monochromatic purposes. Its great if you are learning to build up form with light, and has a totally different feel if you haven't ventured into it before. I watch some time lapse videos of people painting to help guide you.

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  • GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    Wait a minute! I thought Ninjai was a lady!

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    Godfather wrote: »
    Wait a minute! I thought Ninjai was a lady!

    wait whadda?

    Thanks iruka. The reason I haven't done painting much is cost of supplies and my unfamiliarity with them. I walk down the aisles and have no idea what im looking at or looking for.

    Plus it's a mess... :|

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  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Try acrylic, its less of a hassle than oil and I think oil is sort of difficult to get into without at least some basic instruction. Id recommend water color for its lack of mess but its even more difficult and you can make a lot of expensive mistakes.

    You can but a small set of Utrecht Paints for low costs. Remember you dont have to have every color on the wall for painting. Pallets can just White, Black, yellow ochre, A few shades of Umber, blue and red, Maybe 7 or 8 tubes in all. You could probably get by with even less for experimenting.

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  • Nineteen HundredNineteen Hundred Registered User regular
    The minimal pallet I learned was just four colors: Ultramarine blue, yellow ochre, terra rosa and burnt umber, with the saturation adjusted with titanium white. That was oil, though, but there are equivalent colors in acrylic.

    There was something important here. It's gone now.
  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Yeah that sounds right. I never truly painted with a limited pallet, even in my early painting classes, because I have a color addiction.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    I tried oils a few months ago, and aside from the yellow that's what we used titanium white burnt umber and that blue. It was difficult and confusing, and a pain to set up with little reward because I was so inexperienced. My old thread had some on it.

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  • Nineteen HundredNineteen Hundred Registered User regular
    I don't even know how that would work without the yellow and red. The paintings would just turn out all muddy and desaturated. Unless you were working in grayscale, I guess.

    There was something important here. It's gone now.
  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    That did happen lol

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  • GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    Who's this then?

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Pretty Strong but Mostly Gay Usuke.

    A thing from Girlchan In Paradise, a hilarious animated series parodying shitty anime. (episodes 2 and 3 are fucking hilarious)

    Drawing today I guess if you want to call it a drawing.
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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    So I did another hour long "class" using that there tool thing I mentioned prior. I learned a few things.

    1. PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR WARMUP GESTURES!!!
    2. Perspective is haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard.
    3. Dudes are haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard.
    4. I have no idea how to use these.
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    5. You can spend literally forever on a drawing and make no progress. (see photo #2)

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    I don't know if this is good or not. I spent forever rendering the dudes arm and felt like I made no progress.

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    photoreference
    Spoiler:

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    This was essentially the conversation that lead to this discussion in the [chat] thread:
    Spoiler:


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  • GrifterGrifter TorontoSuper Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited April 2012
    A little tutorial from an old friend of the forum.

    Charcoal Rendering Tutorial

    Here is some insight my world of charcoal rendering. Below is the reference photo, a good study for light and shadow. I will discuss how I draw it, step by step.

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    Quite predictably, I start with a simple line drawing. I make sure to keep the penciling very light though, so it does not interfere with the delicate charcoal work to be put down. Usually, I make it even lighter than this, but have darkened it for your benefit. You can always lighten it with a kneaded eraser, which by dabbing and rolling on the surface, will remove excess graphite (I generally don't bother with that). It looks a little odd, because I have outlined every single area of shadow. This is to be a road map for filling in the important shades and gradients.

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    Next, I take my stick of compressed charcoal, and pick any pitch-black area, and just fill it in. This serves 2 purposes: to color an area that needs it, but maybe more importantly, gives me a nice patch of dark charcoal to use like a painter would use a palette. More on that later. Compressed charcoal is the stuff that gives you such nice darks. You may be saying "I have all this vine charcoal. What should I do with it?" Take it and flush it down the toilet. There is no use for it here. Not with these methods, at least. It is just far too malleable, and does not carry any weight.

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    For most of the drawing, these are really the only things you'll need. Compressed charcoal pencil and some tortillions. I personally like the small ones, but that's just me.

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    Now, like I was getting at earlier, swoosh the thing around on the patch of charcoal, picking some up. Like getting paint on a brush. This is what you'll be "coloring" with.

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    See? Just smudge it onto the page, and it comes off nicely. This gives you an incredible amount of control over tone. You can try a variety of stroke-types too. I generally just do lots of little swirls.

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    To get even finer tones, take a completely clean tortillion, and work with the charcoal you just put down. Blend it into the white, for some very light tones.

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    And of course you'll need an eraser. If you don't have one of these clickable erasers, you must follow my instructions very carefully. Take your right hand, and extend it away from your body. Now briskly slap it across your face. Get one of these! They're cool. They last a long time, and you can sharpen them, or cut with an exacto to get a nice sharp edge. Now, a lot of people complain that you cant erase compressed charcoal. Well, you can if you apply it the way I've just shown. Comes off real nice. And you can cut nice marks into your shades, like very thin lines of white for individual hairs reflecting light, etc.

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    I should note that it is convenient to keep three different torti's on hand, one dark, one medium, and one almost new. After use, the dark one becomes worn out, the medium one becomes dark, and the light one becomes medium. You grab another off the pile for a new light one. It is the cycle of life.

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    Ok, I begin applying this to the features, filling in my line work, but more importantly, still observing the reference like hell, to make sure I get the tones right.

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    Another conventional problem with compressed has been that it is tough to do very light, subtle work. If you do it this way, the problem is just the opposite. Fine detailed light work is easy, but keeping things dark enough can be a problem. Because as you keep working the surface, the more charcoal gets spread around and diluted, and the lighter it gets. So now and then, you'll have to go around and darken up the darkest darks. That is, in part, what the pencil is for. (obviously it's also for really fine dark lines, like eyelashes, etc.)

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    Keep applying more tone, making sure the RELATIVE tones are correct. Your grays should look right in relation to others you've put down already, and not necessarily relative to the white of the page. (the white is left there for only the most shocking lights).

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    Continue darkening.

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    I find myself working on the right side details, and as I am left handed, need a paper to keep from smudging. You'll note that in the beginning I filled a big black area on the RIGHT side, for this very reason. Also, the oil from your hands and fingers can have a seriously detrimental effect on your ability to later control the tones on those areas. Just try to remember that if you are ever inclined to smudge with fingers (which I never do, for this type of work at least).

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    Keep chugging away at the face...

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    Mostly done the face here. There is really not much more to do. A lot of it is trivial, like filling in the pitch blacks on the suit and the background (which can be very dangerous to all the work you've just done. Caution is advised.)

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    Here is the finished product. I simply filled in the background with some rough dark patches. A slightly less formal tone than was used with the features, I think makes for a nice playful composition. And note, like I said earlier, doing this is very dangerous, rubbing all that soot so close to your precious delicate rendering. I just hope you have the sense God gave geese to blow the excess dust AWAY from your drawing.

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    And here is a blowup of the detail.

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    And here's one more that I thought was cool. It was the first shot I took, where I left the flash on accidentally. It highlights the difference between the two charcoal instruments I used, both the pencil, and the bare stick. Now, both are forms of compressed charcoal. But the pencil uses a harder kind, so it forms a better firm point. Thus it is reflective and has reflected the flash back at us, both for an interesting effect, and to educate you on the difference in quality. It gave me a very cool idea, that you could utilize the different types of charcoal to achieve pitch black effects from most angles, but when the light hits it right, shows us hidden textures, or other picture elements.

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