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Awesome: 'Libertarianism, Anarchism, and Society with Voluntary Self Governance' by PantsB
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Alistair Hutton likes this Post written by PantsB
about a year ago
"This is the greatest post in the long and stupid history of Libertarianism threads on the Penny Arcade forums. It cuts right to the very core issue in a way that is precise, crystal clear and easy to understand. It is so well crafted and argument that I am, at this very moment, actually crying a little at how beautiful it is.
It is perfect."
You know who this guy is? Whats to stop you from claiming some guy you don't like stole from you too? And why would he need a job? His job is stealing your shit.1. The person gets away. *Or*, depending on circumstance, rejection by the community (unable to get a job, spouse, ect) which leads to exile.
But answer me this @Shurakai if you can: Whats your basis for owning that store in the first place?
Purchasing goods from one who is not the legitimate owner does not bestow legitimate ownership. As such in order to establish legitimate ownership, even through a secondary party, one must identify an origin for that ownership.
If we accept all humans are of equal moral standing, then the ownership of anything that is not unique to that individual must be equally owned in a state of nature by all members of a community.
Claiming exclusive ownership of anything except your physical being and your labor requires you to subsume the ownership rights of everyone else. In a stateless society where there is no coercion, how does one take ownership? All exclusive ownership lacking unanimous consent of all individuals, and at least arguably all future individuals, would be theft of their ownership or potential ownership.
So without a body politic that has absorbed some of the natural rights of its citizens that will create a system by which exclusive ownership is enacted, how do you propose you got that grocery store in the first place?
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That doesn't really follow. In a state of nature there is no community that everyone can be a member of, which then shares ownership of stuff. Libertarianism's bullshit but you can't refute it in 8 sentences.
which is why most libertarians (though not the ones in that thread) endorse some basic level of government which is empowered to do things like protect private property
my unofficial autobio will be accompanied with tips on how to smile
cause I've found that when they don't see you frown, they never know that you're a threat
and they don't sweat you when you came around
You can refute it in a three-word sentence fragment: "collective action problems."
Reminded me of that
Someone really needs to make a book that's like The Jungle but actually good, so we can stop subjecting high school students to it.
If you mean the disgusting-unregulated-slaughterhouse bits there's Gail Eisnitz's Slaughterhouse. Really good, with a big-business-oppresses-the-working-man theme on the side. A lot more disgusting and graphic than The Jungle, however.