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Awesome: 'Libertarianism, Anarchism, and Society with Voluntary Self Governance' by PantsB

PantsBPantsB Registered User regular
edited April 2012 in [2008-2012] Awesome Posts?
Shurakai wrote: »
1. The person gets away. *Or*, depending on circumstance, rejection by the community (unable to get a job, spouse, ect) which leads to exile.
You know who this guy is? Whats to stop you from claiming some guy you don't like stole from you too? And why would he need a job? His job is stealing your shit.

But answer me this @Shurakai if you can: Whats your basis for owning that store in the first place?

Purchasing goods from one who is not the legitimate owner does not bestow legitimate ownership. As such in order to establish legitimate ownership, even through a secondary party, one must identify an origin for that ownership.

If we accept all humans are of equal moral standing, then the ownership of anything that is not unique to that individual must be equally owned in a state of nature by all members of a community.

Claiming exclusive ownership of anything except your physical being and your labor requires you to subsume the ownership rights of everyone else. In a stateless society where there is no coercion, how does one take ownership? All exclusive ownership lacking unanimous consent of all individuals, and at least arguably all future individuals, would be theft of their ownership or potential ownership.

So without a body politic that has absorbed some of the natural rights of its citizens that will create a system by which exclusive ownership is enacted, how do you propose you got that grocery store in the first place?

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu ___________PIGEON _________San Diego, CA Registered User regular
    "If we accept all humans are of equal moral standing, then the ownership of anything that is not unique to that individual must be equally owned in a state of nature by all members of a community."

    That doesn't really follow. In a state of nature there is no community that everyone can be a member of, which then shares ownership of stuff. Libertarianism's bullshit but you can't refute it in 8 sentences.

  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    it's basically just a longer version of the old 'property is theft' construction

    which is why most libertarians (though not the ones in that thread) endorse some basic level of government which is empowered to do things like protect private property

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  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    Libertarianism's bullshit but you can't refute it in 8 sentences.

    You can refute it in a three-word sentence fragment: "collective action problems."

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
    the "no true scotch, man" fallacy.
  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    Libertarianism's bullshit but you can't refute it in 8 sentences.

    You can refute it in a three-word sentence fragment: "collective action problems."

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    Reminded me of that

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  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    Libertarianism's bullshit but you can't refute it in 8 sentences.

    You can refute it in a three-word sentence fragment: "collective action problems."

    ron_paul_chalk_jungle.jpg

    Reminded me of that

    Someone really needs to make a book that's like The Jungle but actually good, so we can stop subjecting high school students to it.

  • Captain MarcusCaptain Marcus Right here in River CityRegistered User regular
    jothki wrote: »
    Someone really needs to make a book that's like The Jungle but actually good, so we can stop subjecting high school students to it.

    If you mean the disgusting-unregulated-slaughterhouse bits there's Gail Eisnitz's Slaughterhouse. Really good, with a big-business-oppresses-the-working-man theme on the side. A lot more disgusting and graphic than The Jungle, however.

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