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  • MatriasMatrias Registered User regular
    Nax wrote: »
    Yup. So Dante is always in charge :)
    Unless Bjorn is up and about.

  • McGibsMcGibs Registered User regular
    So I'm starting a necron 'killbot' army that's along the lines of 50's American G.I. robo-soldiers, but I need some suggestions for head conversions/replacements. Necron skullheads are just too cartoon-evil looking, I need something more classic robot.

    I've kitbashed a few warriors with bolters, and am in the process of mounting a turret to a landspeeder storm to use as an annihilation barge. Converted Dreads will make triarch stalkers, and I'm gunna make some floating LCVP (d-day landing craft) things for ghost arks.
    Overlord to be
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    So yeah.... what to do with stupid robot heads?

  • OtakuD00DOtakuD00D tankstankstanks San DiegoRegistered User regular
    I'm convinced that no matter what happens, 6th ed will almost certainly result in Deldar party boats rockin' it at full Cruising speed while still being able to fire all their Assault weapons out.

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  • saluksicsaluksic Registered User regular
    I just like the phrase "dark Eldar party boats".

    I guess that isn't exactly a quote.

  • OtakuD00DOtakuD00D tankstankstanks San DiegoRegistered User regular
    It works well enough.

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  • MatriasMatrias Registered User regular
    Dark Eldar Spring Break is awesome.

  • PixelMonkeyPixelMonkey Registered User regular
    Nax wrote: »
    I'd like to point out how amazingly this all fits in with my thread title.

    That is all

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  • AnzekayAnzekay The world is not beautiful Therefore it isRegistered User regular
    Yeah in all honesty, most of the time updates to the rules bring more good than bad. The most recent 'nids codex may have made me cry with the lack of fleshhooks on a whole bunch of models, and a few units being far less useful than they used to be, all of the good things it brought has made the race much better and more fun to play than it was before.

    I'm pretty sure the same will go for the next edition, too.

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  • OtakuD00DOtakuD00D tankstankstanks San DiegoRegistered User regular
    Matrias wrote: »
    Dark Eldar Spring Break is awesome.

    The most feared kabal is known as Alpha Beta Gamma. They go on insane, drug-fueled rampages and strike without warning, blasting loud, soul-shattering music and riding on lavishly decorated skimmers. The party never ends for Alpha Beta Gamma.

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    [*] So the Action Phase is where the majority of the game takes place. The active player gets to allow each unit to perform a single action, like shoot or charge or use a psychic power.

    This kinda makes Tyranids much less dangerous, well assault weapons in general I guess, but I only care about Tyranids.

    They didn't say what happens to assault weapons. They might get to fire in the same turn you charge. This would make Tyranids relatively unique since just about all of their guns are assault.

  • EchoEcho Per Aspera Ad Inferi Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Matrias wrote: »
    Dark Eldar Spring Break is awesome.

    I had an idea for a Dark Eldar Safari list. Bunch of guys in Raiders visiting backwater planets, shooting the locals, that kind of stuff.

    But then I realized that's just a normal DE list.

  • NaxNax Registered User regular
    SJ wrote: »
    Nax wrote: »
    Yup. So Dante is always in charge :)

    hey what's up with dante not having EW that's so weird right, is it because he isn't as tough as calgar???

    Iz cuz he iz smrtr n fstr
    Matrias wrote: »
    Nax wrote: »
    Yup. So Dante is always in charge :)
    Unless Bjorn is up and about.

    Except Bjorn doesn't lead when he's up. He just tells stories, kills shit they point him at, and advises the Wolves. That said though, Dante would heed the fuck out of anything he has to say, I am certain.

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  • altmannaltmann Registered User regular
    Well Bjorn's just a dreadnought. Albeit the oldest one. Even in the battle for the fang book, he's not in charge, the Wolf Lord is, and Bjorn just fights as needed.

    I would imagine being in that dreadnought armor makes you a little weary and not exactly the sharpest tool in terms of tactics.

    Getting back to the primarch dealies, I think it's pretty standard that Dante would lead being he's the oldest. Even if Logan and Marneus Calgar were around they would be fine with Dante leading (and have done so).

    I think my favorite fluff is any of the fluff when the chapters come together for some reason, and like Nax I think armageddon is a prime example. I just wish I knew people who played demons and chaos so I could have a fluffy as hell armageddon apoc battle!

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  • valhalla130valhalla130 Registered User regular
    I want to know why they thought BT were a mistake?

  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose Registered User regular
    I want to know why they thought BT were a mistake?

    I think they might have meant giving them a stand-alone book was a mistake because of messing wih the release cycle for "yet another" SM book and having to maintain ongoing support for a list that was originally for a specific campaign book only.
    Could also be that they aren't really popular enough to be self-sustaining, but I don't have numbers to support that.

    That said though, the campaign book to full codex path could be a viable way to intro new species; say the Tau 'discover' them and add a few auxiliary units to the Greater Good for a campaign then, if they turn out super popular, put out a separate book with more variety.

    ...because dragons are AWESOME! That's why.
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  • altmannaltmann Registered User regular
    It is kinda odd that templars - not even a founding chapter - were given their own book.

    However, I fucking love templars, they are cool. The only problem is my vanilla army will most likely be imperial fists so... yeah.

    If they were a mistake, it was a really fucking good one.

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  • BrainleechBrainleech Registered User regular
    I think they wanted to show a really simple paint job would work way back in 1999? and then it took on a life of it's own

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  • NaxNax Registered User regular
    NEW PLANS ARE BREWING!

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  • Anon the FelonAnon the Felon Registered User regular
    The new mechanic about "Hull Points" has me slightly confused. Now we're getting rumors about wounds for vehicles. If these rumors are true, killing vehicles will be trivially easy. It just seems silly.

    4 glancing shots will kill my 250 point land raider? That seems pretty...bad. I'd like to think the rumor-mongers are just being cited wrong and it's "any result on the vehicle penetrating hit damage chart" and not "on any damage chart". I want to say vehicle wounds are a good idea, but it seems pretty flawed for how many points and dollars are invested into them.

  • altmannaltmann Registered User regular
    You guys are overreacting on rumors. I mean remember when GK were rumored to be FUCKING RIDICULOUS, and look, all the hubub was completely unfounded!

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  • altmannaltmann Registered User regular
    Ok not to Valhalla this shit up but I'm gonna post after myself:

    What are your guys' thoughts on an apoc sized game with the caveat being: Only models with a weaponskill and drop pods are allowed.

    This effectively limits it to infantry and walkers and allows drop pods since they are the least transporty of all transports (and drop pods are fun as hell in apoc).

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  • saluksicsaluksic Registered User regular
    I like it. I always have more fun the less vehicles there are. It just looks so much cooler, and taking away AV gives the gameplay a much more unified feel.

  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose Registered User regular
    Hm.
    Titans have a WS…

    ...because dragons are AWESOME! That's why.
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  • Anon the FelonAnon the Felon Registered User regular
    altmann wrote: »
    You guys are overreacting on rumors. I mean remember when GK were rumored to be FUCKING RIDICULOUS, and look, all the hubub was completely unfounded!

    You do realize I was just trying to start a conversation about it right? Which is why I used language that implied I was pondering the rumors validity, as opposed to a knee-jerk "oh my god! Sky is falling!" reaction.

    About apocalypse: I think its a fine idea. It should be said though, for me half the fun of apoc is the massive amount of tanks you can throw down. Plus all the cool super heavies. I'd be hard pressed to play in an all infantry apoc game due to how long it would take and...well...no neat tanks.

    Anon the Felon on
  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose Registered User regular
    The new mechanic about "Hull Points" has me slightly confused. Now we're getting rumors about wounds for vehicles. If these rumors are true, killing vehicles will be trivially easy. It just seems silly.

    4 glancing shots will kill my 250 point land raider? That seems pretty...bad. I'd like to think the rumor-mongers are just being cited wrong and it's "any result on the vehicle penetrating hit damage chart" and not "on any damage chart". I want to say vehicle wounds are a good idea, but it seems pretty flawed for how many points and dollars are invested into them.

    What if there is no "glancing hit" table any more and hull points somehow affect the roll?
    Like if it was 2D6-HP on a unified table from 2-12 or something, with all the usual modifiers for AP as well… and only a total of 8+ will wreck a vehicle in one hit?

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  • GumpyGumpy Beep BoopRegistered User regular
    I once shot a landraiser with a las cannon with the first shot of the game and it exploded

    Wounds might be cool, yo

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  • Anon the FelonAnon the Felon Registered User regular
    Gumpy wrote: »
    I once shot a landraiser with a las cannon with the first shot of the game and it exploded

    Wounds might be cool, yo

    Under the rumored system of hull points, that could still happen. From how I understand it, there is still an explode/destroyed result which instantly kills the vehicle.

    Only you can now actually stun/shake a land raider to death on a turn with small arms fire which can glance (unless Rose's idea happens and we have entirely new tables).

    Which is why I think there has to be more to the system than is being revealed. Just tacking on these hull points (as described currently) makes things like land raiders and Russ class tanks mighty glassy.

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  • CorporateLogoCorporateLogo Registered User regular
    If I ever played an infantry battle apocalypse game I would bring nothing but grots

    Make the other team sit there as I move hundreds of worthless infantry on the first turn, then they sit as I pick up the dozens that get blown up by blast weapons/ordnance

    Just a whole lot of sitting around

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  • ad hominidad hominid Registered User
    Don't know any "small arms," apart from the crons, that can glance AV13/14. That being said their intent is probably to make players pay more attention to the way your vehicles are facing. Unless they somehow get stronger, I don't think vehicles have ever been as resilient as they were in 5th edition so any change will see a hit to their survivability. (<- not a word)

  • Anon the FelonAnon the Felon Registered User regular
    ad hominid wrote: »
    Don't know any "small arms," apart from the crons, that can glance AV13/14. That being said their intent is probably to make players pay more attention to the way your vehicles are facing. Unless they somehow get stronger, I don't think vehicles have ever been as resilient as they were in 5th edition so any change will see a hit to their survivability. (<- not a word)

    Very true. I was actually thinking of necrons specifically, who would never have to fear vehicles between this (as described!) and scarabs. I was also thinking of things like melta and plasma. Which would be quite awesome at just pinging things for a glance and a hull point. Which is ultimately fine by me, the idea of a multimelta slowly shooting down a tank at Max range is really ok. I'll just be displeased when my dread goes down to heavy bolter fire in a turn.

    Although it occurred to me that this would let flamers and heavy flamers really do a number on vehicles.

    All speculation of course. I just find the mechanic idea interesting.

  • NaxNax Registered User regular
    Survivability is a word

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  • MatriasMatrias Registered User regular
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    I want to know why they thought BT were a mistake?

    I think they might have meant giving them a stand-alone book was a mistake because of messing wih the release cycle for "yet another" SM book and having to maintain ongoing support for a list that was originally for a specific campaign book only.
    Could also be that they aren't really popular enough to be self-sustaining, but I don't have numbers to support that.

    That said though, the campaign book to full codex path could be a viable way to intro new species; say the Tau 'discover' them and add a few auxiliary units to the Greater Good for a campaign then, if they turn out super popular, put out a separate book with more variety.
    Your first point is pretty much the reason.

    Matrias on
  • MatriasMatrias Registered User regular
    Nax wrote: »
    SJ wrote: »
    Nax wrote: »
    Yup. So Dante is always in charge :)

    hey what's up with dante not having EW that's so weird right, is it because he isn't as tough as calgar???

    Iz cuz he iz smrtr n fstr
    Matrias wrote: »
    Nax wrote: »
    Yup. So Dante is always in charge :)
    Unless Bjorn is up and about.

    Except Bjorn doesn't lead when he's up. He just tells stories, kills shit they point him at, and advises the Wolves. That said though, Dante would heed the fuck out of anything he has to say, I am certain.
    Dude is an HQ. He even has a saga that makes him a better leader than anyone else!

  • Mystery.ShadowMystery.Shadow Registered User regular
    altmann wrote: »
    You guys are overreacting on rumors. I mean remember when GK were rumored to be FUCKING RIDICULOUS, and look, all the hubub was completely unfounded!

    I smell sarcasm....

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  • NaxNax Registered User regular
    @Matrias: But as there been a spot in the fluff where he has lead anything since becoming interred? He mostly just wakes up, tells stories, reminds the Wolves what it really means to be a Son of Russ, and keeps them on the right track. I cannot recall a time when Bjorn has been woken to lead troop. Could happen though, there is precendent for Dreadnaughts being combat leaders (Moriar on Baal, wasn't there an Iron Hands Dread Chapter Master or something?).

    My impression of the Wolves attitude toward Bjorn is that they value him far too much to put him into combat for any reason short of the destruction of the chapter being at stake. And my impression of Bjorn's attitude is that he is still scorned and upset about being left behind, and really only speaks of those times because his brothers need to hear the stories of Russ.

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  • saluksicsaluksic Registered User regular
    If I ever played an infantry battle apocalypse game I would bring nothing but grots

    I lol'd.

    All this chitchat is getting me pretty stoked for 6th. I'll be pleased as long as it moves things a bit away from rhino/melta spam.

  • MatriasMatrias Registered User regular
    Sorry Nax, Bjorn is just way older and thus way better than Dante in everyway.

  • Anon the FelonAnon the Felon Registered User regular
    saluksic wrote: »
    If I ever played an infantry battle apocalypse game I would bring nothing but grots

    I lol'd.

    All this chitchat is getting me pretty stoked for 6th. I'll be pleased as long as it moves things a bit away from rhino/melta spam.

    Agreed. It will be nice to see flamers and heavy bolters on the field again. I'm just really hoping that this is hinting at a better system for vehicle durability, and not a swing in the opposite direction. Where vehicles are rendered moot.

    I have a dream. Where little land raiders and little ravagers can both play in the same field. Where a game is not so defined by how many meltas and lances you brought. I have a dream where I can equip a squad with a heavy flamer and actually find it useful!

  • Halos Nach TariffHalos Nach Tariff Registered User regular
    I wish heavy bolters were more useful, they are by far the best looking imperial gun, but I can't remember the last time I've ever actually been scared of them.

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  • OtakuD00DOtakuD00D tankstankstanks San DiegoRegistered User regular
    Disintegrators: Heavy Bolters done right, at AP2!

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