[Presidential Election Thread] Veto form Mtit!

Xenogears of Bore

KalTorak wrote: »

No if you go to a local community college you are being indoctrinated by liberal snobs who want to keep you from doing an honest American job plumbering or haberdashery.

Joke all you want but besides the bad knees you'll develop pumbling is one of the safest jobs you could possibly have right now. Even when the housing boom imploded people still need to fix and replace fixtures and with many companies laying off their own maintenance departments outside work is never hard to find.

Electrician is pretty safe as well but it can be hard to get into the union and some states are biches about that.

To tie this back into elections throwing a bunch of money at states to start CC programs based on these tradeskills would be a fucking great idea.

The Ender

Ryan was 16 years old when he found his father in bed, dead from a heart attack at age 55. As a result, he received Social Security survivor's benefits until he turned 18. Both Ryan's grandfather and great-grandfather had also died from heart attacks, at ages 57 and 59 respectively.

Huh. That's interesting.

AManFromEarth

We have a moral imperative to destroy our future!

Seriously

The Ryan "Fuck the Poor" Budget and National Suicide. These are the messages that need to be hammered home about the GOP's econ policies.

Also the fact that while Obama is all about that "European Socialism" the only people trying to bring European economic policies to America are the Republicans.

Magus`

The Ender wrote: »

Ryan was 16 years old when he found his father in bed, dead from a heart attack at age 55. As a result, he received Social Security survivor's benefits until he turned 18. Both Ryan's grandfather and great-grandfather had also died from heart attacks, at ages 57 and 59 respectively.

Huh. That's interesting.

If he was your son, you'd be brokenhearted, too.

Atomika

GnomeTank wrote: »

...as if being intellectually elite is a bad trait.

I'm really hoping the anti-intellectualism kick this country has been on for the last decade or so is turning the corner.

"Oh, you gots wunner them fancy city-folk learning papers, ain'tcha? Well LA-TI-DAH, mistah I'm-too-good-for-homeskoolin!"

GnomeTank

Xenogears of Bore wrote: »

KalTorak wrote: »

No if you go to a local community college you are being indoctrinated by liberal snobs who want to keep you from doing an honest American job plumbering or haberdashery.

Joke all you want but besides the bad knees you'll develop pumbling is one of the safest jobs you could possibly have right now. Even when the housing boom imploded people still need to fix and replace fixtures and with many companies laying off their own maintenance departments outside work is never hard to find.

Electrician is pretty safe as well but it can be hard to get into the union and some states are biches about that.

To tie this back into elections throwing a bunch of money at states to start CC programs based on these tradeskills would be a fucking great idea.

I've been saying for years one of our biggest issues was that we want to force everyone through the collegiate meat grinder, when we need to take a much more pragmatic approach of trying to get people to take exits farther down that turnpike, like vocational school....but we've made those careers out to be "icky" and "degrading", because we live in a culture where one of the first questions you ask someone is "So...what do you do?", as if saying "I'm a plumber" somehow means they are below your social station, because you're a lawyer, or whatever.

Taramoor

Atomic Ross wrote: »

GnomeTank wrote: »

...as if being intellectually elite is a bad trait.

I'm really hoping the anti-intellectualism kick this country has been on for the last decade or so is turning the corner.

"Oh, you gots wunner them fancy city-folk learning papers, ain'tcha? Well LA-TI-DAH, mistah I'm-too-good-for-homeskoolin!"

"Stop talking like that, you live on the moon!"

Zephiran

The Ender wrote: »

Ryan was 16 years old when he found his father in bed, dead from a heart attack at age 55. As a result, he received Social Security survivor's benefits until he turned 18. Both Ryan's grandfather and great-grandfather had also died from heart attacks, at ages 57 and 59 respectively.

Huh. That's interesting.

Sooooooo...

... When, exactly, is Ryan gonna hit the mid to late fifties again?

Fencingsax

Zephiran wrote: »

The Ender wrote: »

Ryan was 16 years old when he found his father in bed, dead from a heart attack at age 55. As a result, he received Social Security survivor's benefits until he turned 18. Both Ryan's grandfather and great-grandfather had also died from heart attacks, at ages 57 and 59 respectively.

Huh. That's interesting.

Sooooooo...

... When, exactly, is Ryan gonna hit the mid to late fifties again?

More specifically, when does he turn 53?

enlightenedbum

Unfortunately he's 42.

Pi-r8

So this is a really great Krugman interview, and this part is directly relevant to this thread:

A lot of the book is about how a certain class of economists have come to support somewhat unusual positions, like that the federal government can’t ever create jobs. If Mitt Romney is elected with the team we think he’ll have — guys like Greg Mankiw and Glenn Hubbard — will some of these economists become Keynesians again to move the needle on unemployment? Or will the positions taken in the last few years stick?

Mankiw and Hubbard have not actually abandoned their analytical positions as far as I can tell. They have left themselves an out. John Taylor, same thing. He’s got all kinds of arguments about why this particular stimulus didn’t do anything, but he’s still living in an essentially Keynesian world. But I don’t think they’re going to be calling the shots. I think if a president Romney tried to do stuff that’s more or less Keynesian, Paul Ryan would cut him off at the knees. And beyond that, I don’t think he’s got the conviction. Someone said his slogan should be “Vote Romney: He doesn’t mean any of it.” But his party means it

AManFromEarth

That's the problem with Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney with a democratic Congress wouldn't be awful.

Mitt Romney with the Congress he would more likely than not end up with would be a disaster, I'd argue probably worse than Bush II.

AManFromEarth

Destructive Economics.
Reckless Foreign Policy.

GOP 2012

Xenogears of Bore

GnomeTank wrote: »

Xenogears of Bore wrote: »

KalTorak wrote: »

No if you go to a local community college you are being indoctrinated by liberal snobs who want to keep you from doing an honest American job plumbering or haberdashery.

Joke all you want but besides the bad knees you'll develop pumbling is one of the safest jobs you could possibly have right now. Even when the housing boom imploded people still need to fix and replace fixtures and with many companies laying off their own maintenance departments outside work is never hard to find.

Electrician is pretty safe as well but it can be hard to get into the union and some states are biches about that.

To tie this back into elections throwing a bunch of money at states to start CC programs based on these tradeskills would be a fucking great idea.

I've been saying for years one of our biggest issues was that we want to force everyone through the collegiate meat grinder, when we need to take a much more pragmatic approach of trying to get people to take exits farther down that turnpike, like vocational school....but we've made those careers out to be "icky" and "degrading", because we live in a culture where one of the first questions you ask someone is "So...what do you do?", as if saying "I'm a plumber" somehow means they are below your social station, because you're a lawyer, or whatever.

The plumbers I know make twice what the lawyers I know do.

Also tons and tons of people are enrolling in CCs with any job training associated. I know one nearby that has its enrollment filled for the next 3 and half years for a two year program!

Mill

GnomeTank wrote: »

Xenogears of Bore wrote: »

KalTorak wrote: »

No if you go to a local community college you are being indoctrinated by liberal snobs who want to keep you from doing an honest American job plumbering or haberdashery.

Joke all you want but besides the bad knees you'll develop pumbling is one of the safest jobs you could possibly have right now. Even when the housing boom imploded people still need to fix and replace fixtures and with many companies laying off their own maintenance departments outside work is never hard to find.

Electrician is pretty safe as well but it can be hard to get into the union and some states are biches about that.

To tie this back into elections throwing a bunch of money at states to start CC programs based on these tradeskills would be a fucking great idea.

I've been saying for years one of our biggest issues was that we want to force everyone through the collegiate meat grinder, when we need to take a much more pragmatic approach of trying to get people to take exits farther down that turnpike, like vocational school....but we've made those careers out to be "icky" and "degrading", because we live in a culture where one of the first questions you ask someone is "So...what do you do?", as if saying "I'm a plumber" somehow means they are below your social station, because you're a lawyer, or whatever.

It pisses me off that we aren't having a debate in the public sphere on what to do with education. It's not just that college isn't for everyone and we really should be encouraging people who enjoy or are okay with tradeskills to go that route. Our entire system is a big pile of shit, that needs some serious modernization and I fully blame the GOP for clinging onto the fucking idiotic idea that we're better off letting the states and incompetent local governments run the show on education.

In other news, Mitt's we should be creating 500k jobs may indeed come back to bite him in the ass. Fauxnews might be willing to give him a free pass on the statement but others are starting to call BS.

Spoit

I'm skeptical that the media is actually physically capable of calling anybody on anything

Mild Confusion

They manage to do it from time to time.

Mad King George

Atomic Ross wrote: »

GnomeTank wrote: »

...as if being intellectually elite is a bad trait.

I'm really hoping the anti-intellectualism kick this country has been on for the last decade or so is turning the corner.

"Oh, you gots wunner them fancy city-folk learning papers, ain'tcha? Well LA-TI-DAH, mistah I'm-too-good-for-homeskoolin!"

Another sad thing we've lost from the 50s/60s. Along with a high tax rate on the wealthy, there was a time when the awesome hero in a movie was the scientist.

Atomika

Mad King George wrote: »

Atomic Ross wrote: »

GnomeTank wrote: »

...as if being intellectually elite is a bad trait.

I'm really hoping the anti-intellectualism kick this country has been on for the last decade or so is turning the corner.

"Oh, you gots wunner them fancy city-folk learning papers, ain'tcha? Well LA-TI-DAH, mistah I'm-too-good-for-homeskoolin!"

Another sad thing we've lost from the 50s/60s. Along with a high tax rate on the wealthy, there was a time when the awesome hero in a movie was the scientist.

At least the current crop of youngsters is growing up on films and video games where heroes aren't afraid to be smart. We need more Tony Starks and Grodon Freemans and fewer John Rambos.

Johnny Chopsocky

The Ender wrote: »

Ryan was 16 years old when he found his father in bed, dead from a heart attack at age 55. As a result, he received Social Security survivor's benefits until he turned 18. Both Ryan's grandfather and great-grandfather had also died from heart attacks, at ages 57 and 59 respectively.

Huh. That's interesting.

Tenek

GnomeTank wrote: »

People who tell you Ryan has "unimpeachable academic credentials" are the same people who will poopoo all over Obama's degrees from Columbia and Harvard, and talk about how he's the "intellectual elite".

So basically, if you go down to your local community college, you are getting some edumication, but if you go to a top tier school and graduate with good grades, you're the "intellectual elite"...as if being intellectually elite is a bad trait.

Nonono. You go to Bible college for the real learning. (And not one of those secular humanist places like Baylor or Notre Dame either.)

And in a desperate attempt to avoid having to make a 2012 map (seriously! we need our fix, Nate!) 538 has an update to the jobs report:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/04/has-obamas-magic-jobs-number-changed/?r=1

This analysis does suggest that Mr. Obama’s breakeven number on job creation is now slightly lower than when we had calculated it a few months ago — about 125,000 jobs per month rather than 150,000.

KalTorak

"Dr." Fischer, or How Mitt Romney Learned You Can't Make Religious Crazies Love You No Matter How Many Fags You Fire

Let me ask you this question, people have raised this question, if Mitt Romney can be pushed around, intimidated, coerced, coopted by a conservative radio talk show host in Middle America, then how is he going to stand up to the Chinese? How is he going to stand up to Putin? How is he going to stand up to North Korea if he can be pushed around by a yokel like me? I don’t think Romney is realizing the doubts that this begins to raise about his leadership. I don’t think for one minute that Mitt Romney did not want this guy gone; he wanted this guy gone because there was not one word of defense, not a peep, from the Romney camp to defend him. They just went absolutely stone cold silent, they put a bag over Grenell’s head, they even asked him to organize this phone conference and they didn’t even let him speak at the conference that he organized.

MuddBudd

KalTorak wrote: »

"Dr." Fischer, or How Mitt Romney Learned You Can't Make Religious Crazies Love You No Matter How Many Fags You Fire

Let me ask you this question, people have raised this question, if Mitt Romney can be pushed around, intimidated, coerced, coopted by a conservative radio talk show host in Middle America, then how is he going to stand up to the Chinese? How is he going to stand up to Putin? How is he going to stand up to North Korea if he can be pushed around by a yokel like me? I don’t think Romney is realizing the doubts that this begins to raise about his leadership. I don’t think for one minute that Mitt Romney did not want this guy gone; he wanted this guy gone because there was not one word of defense, not a peep, from the Romney camp to defend him. They just went absolutely stone cold silent, they put a bag over Grenell’s head, they even asked him to organize this phone conference and they didn’t even let him speak at the conference that he organized.

Holy Fucking Hell. This is the most amazing thing.

That is so frigging bi-polar. They truly do hate him don't they? They aren't going to be happy until Jesus himself returns and runs for the GOP nom at the convention.

Henroid

Okay, I'll bite.

Someone explain to me this rooster bullshit. Because it has me thinking "lol, cocks" and / or "Alice in Chains is still my favorite band."

MuddBudd

Henroid wrote: »

Okay, I'll bite.

Someone explain to me this rooster bullshit. Because it has me thinking "lol, cocks" and / or "Alice in Chains is still my favorite band."

There was a creepy 'patriotic' piece of art at the end of the previous thread, where Obama was making it rain and all the white people were chained. And there was a rooster. Just chilling there in the corner for some reason.

Henroid

MuddBudd wrote: »

Henroid wrote: »

Okay, I'll bite.

Someone explain to me this rooster bullshit. Because it has me thinking "lol, cocks" and / or "Alice in Chains is still my favorite band."

There was a creepy 'patriotic' piece of art at the end of the previous thread, where Obama was making it rain and all the white people were chained. And there was a rooster. Just chilling there in the corner for some reason.

I know, I saw it, but that provides no context.

jungleroomx

That's all the context.

The rooster had no chains, but is somehow different from Obama having no chains, because it is a rooster.

Henroid

jungleroomx wrote: »

That's all the context.

The rooster had no chains, but is somehow different from Obama having no chains, because it is a rooster.

... WHAT. There's no fucking late 1700's reference being made with the rooster? It's just, "FUCK YEAH FARM ANIMALS ARE AMERICAN"? What kind of fucked up rabbit hole have we gone down?!

Incenjucar

Henroid wrote: »

jungleroomx wrote: »

That's all the context.

The rooster had no chains, but is somehow different from Obama having no chains, because it is a rooster.

... WHAT. There's no fucking late 1700's reference being made with the rooster? It's just, "FUCK YEAH FARM ANIMALS ARE AMERICAN"? What kind of fucked up rabbit hole have we gone down?!

Rooster, Nixon, and League of Legends?

Incenjucar

Maybe chicken farmers are a major special interest group?

(curse you Vanilla)

MuddBudd

Henroid wrote: »

jungleroomx wrote: »

That's all the context.

The rooster had no chains, but is somehow different from Obama having no chains, because it is a rooster.

... WHAT. There's no fucking late 1700's reference being made with the rooster? It's just, "FUCK YEAH FARM ANIMALS ARE AMERICAN"? What kind of fucked up rabbit hole have we gone down?!

It was wacky, people thought it was funny.

Henroid

Maybe it's the artist's signature.

Spoit

Maybe the artist was a giant anthropomorphized chicken

Henroid

Spoit wrote: »

Maybe the artist was a giant anthropomorphized chicken

Maybe he just loves cock.

chocobolicious

Henroid wrote: »

Spoit wrote: »

Maybe the artist was a giant anthropomorphized chicken

Maybe he just loves cock.

Maybe the subtext is that only cock can be free. Thus saying women need to get back in the kitchen.

Thanatos

The rooster is supposed to be crowing, waking up America.

Soralin

MuddBudd wrote: »

They aren't going to be happy until Jesus himself returns and runs for the GOP nom at the convention.

Some middle-eastern guy who wants to redistribute wealth, and gives away free health care? Do you really think he would have any chance at a GOP nomination?

Lucid

Soralin wrote: »

MuddBudd wrote: »

They aren't going to be happy until Jesus himself returns and runs for the GOP nom at the convention.

Some middle-eastern guy who wants to redistribute wealth, and gives away free health care? Do you really think he would have any chance at a GOP nomination?

Long haired robe wearing love preaching hippy

AManFromEarth

Funnily enough, if Jesus did come back the Religious Right would be fulfilling the role of all those people going "But Jesus, where's our War Messiah!?!"

Absalon

Obama should have the stones to say "Public payrolls are down, private payrolls are up, this is exactly what republicans say is good for the country. I haven't fired any public employees - that's local and state governments." if someone tries to go after him on jobs.