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alien 3: a pretty interesting movie, even if bad

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
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    CyrondinCyrondin I bring the sick beats on you, brother Chicago, ILRegistered User regular
    clearly he become the new lucas.

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    RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    I don't get how Biehn got paid so much for Alien 3.

    I mean it just seems like something where a movie studio would just say "no, fuck you" and just say he died off-screen with no picture.

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    OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    alien 4 makes a lot more sense now that i've read that the director could barely speak english, that he was french & laid it out like a comic book, and decided it was best to make it as a dark comedy

    people didn't expect the fifth element when they were hoping for aliens

    i've moved on to event horizon in my space horror viewing schedule

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    At least he's using his billions for some really cool shit

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    wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Blake T wrote: »
    What is the best scifi movie that came out in the last twelve years guys.

    And let's say inception doesn't count if you like it because it's the only one I can think of.
    The American Astronaut. (a no budget black and white dreamlogic musical) Alternatively:

    Primer. (a no budget absurdly convoluted movie created by a couple of engineers, about a couple of engineers who create...would it be a spoiler to say?)

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    OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    damn

    this movie doesn't fuck around one bit

    no slowly building unease here

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    wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    damn

    this movie doesn't fuck around one bit

    no slowly building unease here
    That's one of the things I like about it! The aliens escape, you're expecting people to slowly get picked off but nope! the aliens just slaughter person after person lickety split.

    wandering on
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    HeadCreepsHeadCreeps NOW IS THE TIME FOR DRINKING! Registered User regular
    I still haven't seen Avatar

    I don't think I'm ever going to
    RT800 wrote: »
    I don't get how Biehn got paid so much for Alien 3.

    I mean it just seems like something where a movie studio would just say "no, fuck you" and just say he died off-screen with no picture.

    He was supposed to be in the movie, but production stalled and the script kept getting rewritten, and eventually he was written out of the final draft.

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    manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    Alien 3? What is this film you speak of?

    I seem to remember the Sulaco flying off with Newt, Hicks, and Ripley... and that was the end of the Aliens franchise.

    The. END.

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    wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    Titanic is the superior James Cameron three hour special-effects heavy chick flick.

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    OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    wandering wrote: »
    damn

    this movie doesn't fuck around one bit

    no slowly building unease here
    That's one of the things I like about it! The aliens escape, you're expecting people to slowly get picked off but nope! the aliens just slaughter person after person lickety split.

    no, i'm on to event horizon now, which loves deeeeep base and jump scare shots in the first ten minutes

    that said i'm way more on board here than i was with the french comedic direction of alien 4

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    I feel like the beginning of alien 3 was the director saying to all the people expecting a continuation of aliens "no fuck you this is my movie, bye newt"

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    wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    The Fifth Element, Beyond Good and Evil, and Jeunet's good sci-fi films prove that the French are the best at sci-fi.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    Movie questions.

    I have already explained my love for the tonal shift from alien to aliens and terminator 1&2. And kinda godfather 1&2.

    Can anyone name other sequels and for extra points, can anyone list a trilogy?

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    OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    wandering wrote: »
    The Fifth Element, Beyond Good and Evil, and Jeunet's good sci-fi films prove that the French are the best at sci-fi.

    what are his good ones? i feel like he just took the money and made a fuck you movie, since he didn't really want to do it anyway

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    RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    Star Wars.

    But.

    Probly... already seen that.

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    OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    RT800 wrote: »
    Star Wars.

    But.

    Probly... already seen that.
    they put out star wars in the last twelve years

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    wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Sequels that are different in tone?

    Well Star Trek II is pulpy, IV is a silly comedy, and VI is grim and tense.

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    Blake T wrote: »
    Movie questions.

    I have already explained my love for the tonal shift from alien to aliens and terminator 1&2. And kinda godfather 1&2.

    Can anyone name other sequels and for extra points, can anyone list a trilogy?

    mad max. 3 kinda eh but the second one was a masterpiece even if it had mel gibson

    also I am glad other people like robocop as much as I do

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    RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    I liked Gattaca.

    It was awroight.

    I skipped pages 1-4 so I got no idea where we're at here.

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    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Blake T wrote: »
    Movie questions.

    I have already explained my love for the tonal shift from alien to aliens and terminator 1&2. And kinda godfather 1&2.

    Can anyone name other sequels and for extra points, can anyone list a trilogy?


    suicide club and noriko's dinner table

    swamp thing and return of swamp thing

    the evil dead trilogy

    dolemite and the human tornado

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    wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    wandering wrote: »
    The Fifth Element, Beyond Good and Evil, and Jeunet's good sci-fi films prove that the French are the best at sci-fi.

    what are his good ones? i feel like he just took the money and made a fuck you movie, since he didn't really want to do it anyway
    Delicatessen and City of Lost Children.

    Actually I shouldn't vouch for them because I haven't seen them since middle school.

    Also I uh only saw the first thirty minutes of City of Lost Children. But they seemed great at the time and they are well regarded!

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    OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Jars wrote: »
    Blake T wrote: »
    Movie questions.

    I have already explained my love for the tonal shift from alien to aliens and terminator 1&2. And kinda godfather 1&2.

    Can anyone name other sequels and for extra points, can anyone list a trilogy?

    mad max. 3 kinda eh but the second one was a masterpiece even if it had mel gibson

    also I am glad other people like robocop as much as I do

    robocop 1 and 2 are so good

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    ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    Cyrondin wrote: »
    clearly he become the new lucas.

    not remotely

    he's getting out of making movies in general

    wants to get more into the science shit now that he's made a buttload on avatar

    avatar is just going to be the exception where he talks about shit through the format of a regular ol' movie

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    RT800 wrote: »
    I liked Gattaca.

    It was awroight.

    I skipped pages 1-4 so I got no idea where we're at here.

    Sup, I like that movie a lot too

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    I don't care for 2 that much but robocop 1 is one of my favorite movies along with terminator 2

    basically cyborg movies own

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    ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    Blake T wrote: »
    Movie questions.

    I have already explained my love for the tonal shift from alien to aliens and terminator 1&2. And kinda godfather 1&2.

    Can anyone name other sequels and for extra points, can anyone list a trilogy?

    godfather 1&2 is weird because the first movie adapts 50% of the book (cutting out 40% that's shit like the girl sonny fucks at the wedding having a big loose vagoo and getting it tightened) and then part ii adapts the other ten percent and adds in the bit about michael trying to hang onto the empire out west

    in the book he moves west, then has the heads of the five families, mo green, and carlo killed at the same time

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    TheMisanthropeTheMisanthrope That's Mr. Misanthrope to you Registered User regular
    Alien 4 is amazingly bad. And it's also amazingly good if you're not watching the Alien series back to back. Much like Alien 3 feels more like a Fincher movie than a continuation of Aliens, Alien 4 is a Jeunet movie more than a continuation of Alien 3. The director, Jeunet, did much better in his French movies of strange dark comedies, Delicatessan and The City of Lost Children (a Steampunk favorite). Later, Jeunet would triumph with Amelie. All metaphorical movies that seem more in tune with a Philip K. dick adaptation than an Alien movie.

    On top of that, this was Joss Whedon when he sucked AND had no control over anything. So, you get that whole edited/censored/searching Whedon feeling that early Whedon suffered from. He doesn't work watered down (and only half works without bounds).

    But, Alien 4 is awful, but kimd of amazing if you realize it's hilarious, its meant to be hilarious, and it's genre is surreal sci-fi French black comedy.

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    ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    I don't care for 2 that much but robocop 1 is one of my favorite movies along with terminator 2

    basically cyborg movies own

    robocop 2 also had a hodgepodge of scripts that just got slapped together to cash in on robocop

    robocop on the other hand is an amazing satire of the 80s

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    TheMisanthropeTheMisanthrope That's Mr. Misanthrope to you Registered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    Jars wrote: »
    I don't care for 2 that much but robocop 1 is one of my favorite movies along with terminator 2

    basically cyborg movies own

    robocop 2 also had a hodgepodge of scripts that just got slapped together to cash in on robocop

    robocop on the other hand is an amazing satire of the 80s

    Ahhh, Verhoeven. It's weird to think the guy who did Robocop, Total Recall, and Starship Troopers also did Hollow Man and Showgirls.

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    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    hollow man and showgirls are fun movies so

    no it isn't?

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    ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    i'm convinced that people thought showgirls was going to be a sexy movie about girls getting naked and not a horrible dark movie about how broken people are

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    TheMisanthropeTheMisanthrope That's Mr. Misanthrope to you Registered User regular
    hollow man and showgirls are fun movies so

    no it isn't?

    I'll grant you Showgirls (I love the shit out of that movie). But, Hollow Man is really just...terrible. And also stupidly Rapey. It's easy to see Showgirls, Hollow Man and Basic Instinct all being by the same dude.
    They're all so...rapey.

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    chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Do you think it's trademarked?Registered User regular
    Figure everyone knows it, but Alien 3 had an amazingly messed up writing cycle. Did scripts without Ripley, did scripts that killed her off offscreen before the opening.

    One version was by Gibson and starred Hicks, with Ripley and Newt getting out safe before everything went to shit with these weird mutating spores that turn things into xenomorphs. One was on a planet made of wood.

    Not exactly the best environment to bring a film up in, all I'm saying.

    (Killing Hicks and Newt off is still first degree bullshit. It's a move that depends entirely on bonds in the previous films to have any impact while discarding the themes and ending. Dirty pool.)

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    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    so showgirls being rapey is okay but hollow man being rapey isn't?

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    OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    Jars wrote: »
    I don't care for 2 that much but robocop 1 is one of my favorite movies along with terminator 2

    basically cyborg movies own

    robocop 2 also had a hodgepodge of scripts that just got slapped together to cash in on robocop

    robocop on the other hand is an amazing satire of the 80s

    robocop 2 rules just as much and is a great satire of what the 90s would become

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    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    or did you just want the rapiness to be more clever?

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    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    basically what is your argument here?

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    RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Also Predator. The original Predator. Good stuff.

    Predator 2 was less good but still enjoyable.

    Showgirls always seemed weird because it starred Jessie from Saved by the Bell and I had trouble divorcing the actress from that character.

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