Raiders of the Lost [Movie Thread]

Atlas in Chains

I thought Prometheus sucked pretty consistently from start to finish. Putting aside for a moment the basic plot and what was/was not answered, just the pieces themselves sucked. None of the characters were developed beyond simple tropes besides maybe Shaw. Everybody else seemed to have been handed a page from tvtropes and told "act like this."

As a group of scientists, they were wholly unbelievable.

Spoiler:

You don't take off your space hat no matter what the air is like. You just don't, even if you have faith that the Engineers created you and have your best interests at heart, it's a fucking other form of life with diseases that you can't imagine. Just...don't.

On the casting

Spoiler:

I understand Guy Pierce was cast as an ancient old man so they could use him in the future for flashbacks or as the basis for a robot or what the hell ever, but he looked like complete ass in the old man suit and his acting, which I normally like, was terrible with his palsied shakes.

Never mind the plot. I didn't particularly care for it, but I found the product to be so poorly formed to begin with, I'm having trouble seeing past the parts to the whole.

MalReynolds

HamHamJ wrote: »

Prometheus was not amazing by any stretch of the imagination.

In response to MalReynolds from the previous thread:

Spoiler:

The audience I went with virually hated the movie because it answered few questions. As I was walking out, I heard them talk about how nothing makes sense and how nothing was answered, and how it wasn't the movie they wanted it to be. But that's not the movie's fault.

Yes it is. It's the movies fault for being a poorly written mess that was about nothing.

And sometimes the mystery is better than the reality.

Cause the reality is a guy just killing people like he's fucking Jason.

This film introduces a lot of interesting concepts... and then does absolutely nothing with them, in fact it completely fucking forgets them as characters are just killed off to up the body count.

Spoiler:

No, the movie was about lots of things. A whole slew of things. Just because someone doesn't like the things that it's about doesn't mean it isn't about those things, it means it's about those things that they didn't like. My audience did not like the things that the movie was about. You also did not like the things the movie was about. I loved the things the movie was about, and it left me thinking.

And the second point: The IMSE freaked out and killed four people. He wasn't stalking the crew the whole time, and he wasn't a stealthy motherfucker. He killed the people on the bridge of his ship. He didn't chase Shaw down, he simply eliminated everyone around him, and then went to take off. And since we're not sure what it was that David told him, it's entirely possible that he was being misled. Who knows? There weren't any subtitles.

Yes, the movie was uneven, but it was nowhere near bad.

It's one thing to not like the movie because someone thought it was uneven (which it was) or they didn't like the script (which was uneven) but to claim the film wasn't about anything is head-tiltingly puzzling.

And even during all the horror, when people were being mutated and transformed, they didn't lose sight of anything; the conversations about existence, faith, what it means to be alive, what happens after we die - they all carried on around the horror. Weyland's dying words, even, were a continuation of it.

EDIT: And I'm not trying to be combative. I don't know if that's the tone I'm establishing, though.

HamHamJ

MalReynolds wrote: »

Spoiler:

No, the movie was about lots of things. A whole slew of things. Just because someone doesn't like the things that it's about doesn't mean it isn't about those things, it means it's about those things that they didn't like. My audience did not like the things that the movie was about. You also did not like the things the movie was about. I loved the things the movie was about, and it left me thinking.

List them.

And even during all the horror, when people were being mutated and transformed, they didn't lose sight of anything; the conversations about existence, faith, what it means to be alive, what happens after we die - they all carried on around the horror. Weyland's dying words, even, were a continuation of it.

I've seen a deeper examination of mortality in Pokemon the Movie.

Deaderinred

CaptainNemo wrote: »

Really though, what I liked about Prometheus was that it never held your hand. It never felt the need to be heavy handed and go "HEY THIS IS JUST LIKE THAT THING FROM ALIEN YEAH YOU LIKED THAT RIGHT?". Which certain other sci-fi prequels did.

Anyway, I loved the movie. I thought it was better then Avatar by leaps and miles. It's probably the best new sci-fi film of the decade.

yeah.

except when it.. you know. did.

Kruite

Deaderinred wrote: »

CaptainNemo wrote: »

Really though, what I liked about Prometheus was that it never held your hand. It never felt the need to be heavy handed and go "HEY THIS IS JUST LIKE THAT THING FROM ALIEN YEAH YOU LIKED THAT RIGHT?". Which certain other sci-fi prequels did.

Anyway, I loved the movie. I thought it was better then Avatar by leaps and miles. It's probably the best new sci-fi film of the decade.

yeah.

except when it.. you know. did.

Spoiler:

the teaser

@Ham You're butthurt because the movie didn't explain the meaning of life or why we're here?

Deaderinred

Harry Dresden wrote: »

CaptainNemo wrote: »

Preacher wrote: »

CaptainNemo wrote: »

Really though, what I liked about Prometheus was that it never held your hand. It never felt the need to be heavy handed and go "HEY THIS IS JUST LIKE THAT THING FROM ALIEN YEAH YOU LIKED THAT RIGHT?". Which certain other sci-fi prequels did.

Anyway, I loved the movie. I thought it was better then Avatar by leaps and miles. It's probably the best new sci-fi film of the decade.

So of the two and half years of this decade its the best new scifi? Bold.

Daring.

Perhaps, even, debonair?

Harry Dresden wrote: »

CaptainNemo wrote: »

Harry Dresden wrote: »

GigglesFunsworth wrote:

You see guys Prometheus totally makes sense because Space Jesus!

Spoilers, obviously.

http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

Spoiler:

Haven't seen the movie but I'll comment on the fascinating article on Prometheus. It seems like the movie does little showing or telling to explain the history of Engineer's in favor of themes that only people know follow the Prometheus and Jesus stories and are able to connect the dots after the fact.

Implying only gets you so far with movies, especially when you're trying to appeal to the mainstream audience. Those seem like really good ideas, I'd like a movie exploring the Engineer's and their "black goo" but it shouldn't have needed a separate movie to explain this, a few brief flashbacks would have been sufficient, like in the prologue.

It would be good thing to explain why the Engineer's head exploded, as well. It self destructing from being disgusted by its "resurrection" is a brilliant concept which lt loses its potency if the audience doesn't know why when they have very little knowledge about the Engineer's culture.

Spoiler:

Because, of course, we need Harrison Ford to narrate every detail to understand the film. We stupid mammals and our funny talking mens on screens.

Spoiler:

Not sure what you're getting at with this. Adding in some flashbacks and explaining an alien culture's motives beyond implying anything about their history or philosophy that's necessary for the plot to make sense is in no way explaining every detail with a narrator. It doesn't need to go over board with the explanations, only give enough insight to let the audience know what's going on.

Spoiler:

Well, seeing as the first thing we see is a Space Jockey/Engineer/Prometheus sacrificing himself...

Spoiler:

Does the film explain why it's sacrificing itself?

its not even that

Spoiler:

the scene could be taken in another way of the jockey being tricked into drinking it, there's no reason to believe he was sacrificing himself.

Oakey

Deaderinred wrote: »

Harry Dresden wrote: »

CaptainNemo wrote: »

Preacher wrote: »

CaptainNemo wrote: »

Really though, what I liked about Prometheus was that it never held your hand. It never felt the need to be heavy handed and go "HEY THIS IS JUST LIKE THAT THING FROM ALIEN YEAH YOU LIKED THAT RIGHT?". Which certain other sci-fi prequels did.

Anyway, I loved the movie. I thought it was better then Avatar by leaps and miles. It's probably the best new sci-fi film of the decade.

So of the two and half years of this decade its the best new scifi? Bold.

Daring.

Perhaps, even, debonair?

Harry Dresden wrote: »

CaptainNemo wrote: »

Harry Dresden wrote: »

GigglesFunsworth wrote:

You see guys Prometheus totally makes sense because Space Jesus!

Spoilers, obviously.

http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

Spoiler:

Haven't seen the movie but I'll comment on the fascinating article on Prometheus. It seems like the movie does little showing or telling to explain the history of Engineer's in favor of themes that only people know follow the Prometheus and Jesus stories and are able to connect the dots after the fact.

Implying only gets you so far with movies, especially when you're trying to appeal to the mainstream audience. Those seem like really good ideas, I'd like a movie exploring the Engineer's and their "black goo" but it shouldn't have needed a separate movie to explain this, a few brief flashbacks would have been sufficient, like in the prologue.

It would be good thing to explain why the Engineer's head exploded, as well. It self destructing from being disgusted by its "resurrection" is a brilliant concept which lt loses its potency if the audience doesn't know why when they have very little knowledge about the Engineer's culture.

Spoiler:

Because, of course, we need Harrison Ford to narrate every detail to understand the film. We stupid mammals and our funny talking mens on screens.

Spoiler:

Not sure what you're getting at with this. Adding in some flashbacks and explaining an alien culture's motives beyond implying anything about their history or philosophy that's necessary for the plot to make sense is in no way explaining every detail with a narrator. It doesn't need to go over board with the explanations, only give enough insight to let the audience know what's going on.

Spoiler:

Well, seeing as the first thing we see is a Space Jockey/Engineer/Prometheus sacrificing himself...

Spoiler:

Does the film explain why it's sacrificing itself?

its not even that

Spoiler:

the scene could be taken in another way of the jockey being tricked into drinking it, there's no reason to believe he was sacrificing himself.

Spoiler:

And a benevolent species willing to sacrifice themselves to create life doesn't gel with everything else we're shown of them in the film where they want to destroy us. Are these people at war? Was he a lone nut or is it a ritual of his people?

MalReynolds

HamHamJ wrote: »

MalReynolds wrote: »

Spoiler:

No, the movie was about lots of things. A whole slew of things. Just because someone doesn't like the things that it's about doesn't mean it isn't about those things, it means it's about those things that they didn't like. My audience did not like the things that the movie was about. You also did not like the things the movie was about. I loved the things the movie was about, and it left me thinking.

List them.

Sure!

Spoiler:

An Incomplete List of Things Prometheus Was About; In Several Parts, by MalReynolds

1. Weird fucking alien creatures.
2. What these weird alien creatures do.
3. Where did life come from?
4. Why did life happen?
5. Would we even want to know?
6. Is the truth worth the trouble?
7. Would God really be benevolent?
8. Are we destined to destroy what we create?
8a. Are our creations destined to destroy us?
9. What makes a human?
10. Are we more than the sum of our programming?
11. How far is one willing to go to learn the truth?

I mean I could keep listing them but all of these are touched on in the movie.

And if you wanted the film to answer these philosophical quandaries, then that's on you.

And even during all the horror, when people were being mutated and transformed, they didn't lose sight of anything; the conversations about existence, faith, what it means to be alive, what happens after we die - they all carried on around the horror. Weyland's dying words, even, were a continuation of it.

I've seen a deeper examination of mortality in Pokemon the Movie.

That's nice.

Oakey wrote: »

Deaderinred wrote: »

Harry Dresden wrote: »

CaptainNemo wrote: »

Preacher wrote: »

CaptainNemo wrote: »

Really though, what I liked about Prometheus was that it never held your hand. It never felt the need to be heavy handed and go "HEY THIS IS JUST LIKE THAT THING FROM ALIEN YEAH YOU LIKED THAT RIGHT?". Which certain other sci-fi prequels did.

Anyway, I loved the movie. I thought it was better then Avatar by leaps and miles. It's probably the best new sci-fi film of the decade.

So of the two and half years of this decade its the best new scifi? Bold.

Daring.

Perhaps, even, debonair?

Harry Dresden wrote: »

CaptainNemo wrote: »

Harry Dresden wrote: »

GigglesFunsworth wrote:

You see guys Prometheus totally makes sense because Space Jesus!

Spoilers, obviously.

http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

Spoiler:

Haven't seen the movie but I'll comment on the fascinating article on Prometheus. It seems like the movie does little showing or telling to explain the history of Engineer's in favor of themes that only people know follow the Prometheus and Jesus stories and are able to connect the dots after the fact.

Implying only gets you so far with movies, especially when you're trying to appeal to the mainstream audience. Those seem like really good ideas, I'd like a movie exploring the Engineer's and their "black goo" but it shouldn't have needed a separate movie to explain this, a few brief flashbacks would have been sufficient, like in the prologue.

It would be good thing to explain why the Engineer's head exploded, as well. It self destructing from being disgusted by its "resurrection" is a brilliant concept which lt loses its potency if the audience doesn't know why when they have very little knowledge about the Engineer's culture.

Spoiler:

Because, of course, we need Harrison Ford to narrate every detail to understand the film. We stupid mammals and our funny talking mens on screens.

Spoiler:

Not sure what you're getting at with this. Adding in some flashbacks and explaining an alien culture's motives beyond implying anything about their history or philosophy that's necessary for the plot to make sense is in no way explaining every detail with a narrator. It doesn't need to go over board with the explanations, only give enough insight to let the audience know what's going on.

Spoiler:

Well, seeing as the first thing we see is a Space Jockey/Engineer/Prometheus sacrificing himself...

Spoiler:

Does the film explain why it's sacrificing itself?

its not even that

Spoiler:

the scene could be taken in another way of the jockey being tricked into drinking it, there's no reason to believe he was sacrificing himself.

Spoiler:

And a benevolent species willing to sacrifice themselves to create life doesn't gel with everything else we're shown of them in the film where they want to destroy us. Are these people at war? Was he a lone nut or is it a ritual of his people?

Spoiler:

Maybe because we're constantly at war with each other and they're sick of it? In the scene where David activates the hologram in the cockpit of the Jockey ship, it shows that they went to many, many other planets. I was under the impression that they were seeding the universe.

And, once again - the only proof we have of that Jockey wanting to come to Earth to destroy us was from David, whose motives were unclear the entire movie. And, who was the only one who spoke to the Jockey.

My brother pointed out in that scene that the Jockey may have been off put by an android. It'd be like if we created flies and then the flies started making robotic flies. I'd want to wipe them all out, too.

Jacobkosh

Prometheus wasn't nearly as clever as it needed to be to make its premise work; it made vague gestures in the direction of meaning without ever offering up any, and you can literally spot the moment when the writer, faced with having to deliver on his promises, threw up his hands and said "fuck it."

Kalkino

Stripes is a better military/war film than Apocalypse Now, Bridge over the Rover Kwai and Canadian Bacon

Oakey

Jacobkosh wrote: »

Prometheus wasn't nearly as clever as it needed to be to make its premise work; it made vague gestures in the direction of meaning without ever offering up any, and you can literally spot the moment when the writer, faced with having to deliver on his promises, threw up his hands and said "fuck it."

When Janek says

Spoiler:

"it's a research facility, possibly military, these are WMD's and they're heading to earth to destroy us"

That bit?

Kruite

Oakey wrote: »

Jacobkosh wrote: »

Prometheus wasn't nearly as clever as it needed to be to make its premise work; it made vague gestures in the direction of meaning without ever offering up any, and you can literally spot the moment when the writer, faced with having to deliver on his promises, threw up his hands and said "fuck it."

When Janek says

Spoiler:

"it's a research facility, possibly military, these are WMD's and they're heading to earth to destroy us"

That bit?

Yea...that scene felt like it was just thrown in there

Echo

I blame you guys for making me watch Crystal Skull.

Eh, pretty good mindless entertainment, stupid fridge scene aside.

Oakey

Kruite wrote: »

Oakey wrote: »

Jacobkosh wrote: »

Prometheus wasn't nearly as clever as it needed to be to make its premise work; it made vague gestures in the direction of meaning without ever offering up any, and you can literally spot the moment when the writer, faced with having to deliver on his promises, threw up his hands and said "fuck it."

When Janek says

Spoiler:

"it's a research facility, possibly military, these are WMD's and they're heading to earth to destroy us"

That bit?

Yea...that scene felt like it was just thrown in there

which causes real issues, for example

Spoiler:

if that's the case, that it's a military installtion full of WMD's, then why the hell would the Engineers leave us a star map to the location of their Area 51? Their homeworld? That I could understand? But a weapons research facility? Why?

Also, everyone says David poisoned Holloway as a result of his answer to the question "what would you do to find out?" but fail to remember that David had the goo on his finger before he even asked the question. He was always going to do it regardless.

KalTorak

Echo wrote: »

I blame you guys for making me watch Crystal Skull.

Eh, pretty good mindless entertainment, stupid fridge scene aside.

The fridge doesn't really bug me as much as the stupid jungle chase.

shryke

Echo wrote: »

I blame you guys for making me watch Crystal Skull.

Eh, pretty good mindless entertainment, stupid fridge scene aside.

The fridge scene wasn't even a big deal to me.

It's the ending and the jungle shit that ruins it. If taht had been done well, I don't think anyone would even remember the fridge except the way they remember the raft scene in Temple.

Oakey

It's the CGI, too much, compare the jungle scene of Raiders to the jungle scene of Crystal Skull and it's no contest. Does Lucas not watch his own films and notice this? Does he not think "this looks so fake"?

Atomika

shryke wrote: »

Echo wrote: »

I blame you guys for making me watch Crystal Skull.

Eh, pretty good mindless entertainment, stupid fridge scene aside.

The fridge scene wasn't even a big deal to me.

It's the ending and the jungle shit that ruins it. If taht had been done well, I don't think anyone would even remember the fridge except the way they remember the raft scene in Temple.

Plus, all the jungle sets looked like hot shit off a weedwacker.

Echo

Shia LeBöööf with one foot on each jeep getting hit in the nuts by vegetation was a bit much, yes.

Oakey

Echo wrote: »

Shia LeBöööf with one foot on each jeep getting hit in the nuts by vegetation was a bit much, yes.

That sums up the feeling of the audience after having watched that movie.

HamHamJ

Spoiler:

MalReynolds wrote: »

1. Weird fucking alien creatures.

It's not a nature documentary.

2. What these weird alien creatures do.

They kill people. That's it.

3. Where did life come from?
4. Why did life happen?
5. Would we even want to know?
6. Is the truth worth the trouble?
7. Would God really be benevolent?

Just because you have characters say that dialogue, does not make your movie about that. You have to actually offer something substantive to the discussion.

8. Are we destined to destroy what we create?
8a. Are our creations destined to destroy us?
9. What makes a human?
10. Are we more than the sum of our programming?

Just having a robot in your movie does not make it about these things.

I mean I could keep listing them but all of these are touched on in the movie.

In the most superficial way possible.

Name dropping shit from Ancient Aliens does not make your movie insightful or "thought provoking". It means you wrote this crap watching Ancient Aliens eating Cheetos.

Zxerol

Atlas in Chains wrote: »

I thought Prometheus sucked pretty consistently from start to finish. Putting aside for a moment the basic plot and what was/was not answered, just the pieces themselves sucked. None of the characters were developed beyond simple tropes besides maybe Shaw. Everybody else seemed to have been handed a page from tvtropes and told "act like this."

As a group of scientists, they were wholly unbelievable.

Spoiler:

You don't take off your space hat no matter what the air is like. You just don't, even if you have faith that the Engineers created you and have your best interests at heart, it's a fucking other form of life with diseases that you can't imagine. Just...don't.

On the casting

Spoiler:

I understand Guy Pierce was cast as an ancient old man so they could use him in the future for flashbacks or as the basis for a robot or what the hell ever, but he looked like complete ass in the old man suit and his acting, which I normally like, was terrible with his palsied shakes.

Never mind the plot. I didn't particularly care for it, but I found the product to be so poorly formed to begin with, I'm having trouble seeing past the parts to the whole.

For serious, what the hell. Those were the worst scientists in the history of science. A trillion dollars and all the billions of people on earth, and they picked the chucklefucks that flunked out of Science Kindergarten.

Igpx407

Zxerol wrote: »

Atlas in Chains wrote: »

I thought Prometheus sucked pretty consistently from start to finish. Putting aside for a moment the basic plot and what was/was not answered, just the pieces themselves sucked. None of the characters were developed beyond simple tropes besides maybe Shaw. Everybody else seemed to have been handed a page from tvtropes and told "act like this."

As a group of scientists, they were wholly unbelievable.

Spoiler:

You don't take off your space hat no matter what the air is like. You just don't, even if you have faith that the Engineers created you and have your best interests at heart, it's a fucking other form of life with diseases that you can't imagine. Just...don't.

On the casting

Spoiler:

I understand Guy Pierce was cast as an ancient old man so they could use him in the future for flashbacks or as the basis for a robot or what the hell ever, but he looked like complete ass in the old man suit and his acting, which I normally like, was terrible with his palsied shakes.

Never mind the plot. I didn't particularly care for it, but I found the product to be so poorly formed to begin with, I'm having trouble seeing past the parts to the whole.

For serious, what the hell. Those were the worst scientists in the history of science. A trillion dollars and all the billions of people on earth, and they picked the chucklefucks that flunked out of Science Kindergarten.

It seems to me like they were hired for the mission because

Spoiler:

Weyland could care less about any possible discoveries they could make. All he cared about was himself and his own agenda, and the only help he really needed for that was David.

Bogart

Honestly, the Crystal Skull just wasn't any fun.

Atomika

Bogart wrote: »

Honestly, the Crystal Skull just wasn't any fun.

If you had to sum it up that simply, I think that's pretty succinct.

HamHamJ

Okay, I have an actual question about Promethius:

Spoiler:

Was the zombie that attacks them at the ship (that they run over and set on fire) the geologist or main scientist dude?

Atlas in Chains

HamHamJ wrote: »

Okay, I have an actual question about Promethius:

Spoiler:

Was the zombie that attacks them at the ship (that they run over and set on fire) the geologist or main scientist dude?

Spoiler:

The geologist. I do not get why he gained super powers when the other guy that got a mouth full of dick-snake just died. If the stuff really works on state of mind like that explanation linked earlier, I would hate to see the abomination I would birth after watching this movie.

ObiFett

Atlas in Chains wrote: »

HamHamJ wrote: »

Okay, I have an actual question about Promethius:

Spoiler:

Was the zombie that attacks them at the ship (that they run over and set on fire) the geologist or main scientist dude?

Spoiler:

The geologist. I do not get why he gained super powers when the other guy that got a mouth full of dick-snake just died. If the stuff really works on state of mind like that explanation linked earlier, I would hate to see the abomination I would birth after watching this movie.

Spoiler:

Geologist got a face full of that goo and it turned him into that. Similar to scientist guy that downed the drink with little bit in there.

Other dude took a snake down the throat and got chewed on by the creature.

Mad King George

The fridge was also terrible because having Indy survive a ground zero nuclear explosion that then bounces him across the desert like a superball and having him step out of it like it ain't no thang means that nothing else outside of facing off with Godzilla/Cthulhu/Two Nuclear Warheads/God Himself will top what he's been through in the first fifteen minutes. Big dude punching you? Sorry, survived a nuke. Wild car/motorcycle chase? Sorry, survived a nuke. It's completely and utterly tension deflating for anything else in the film.

AManFromEarth

Ketar wrote: »

Some of the Iron Man 3 spoilers floating around have been a bit off:

Spoiler:

latino-review.com/2012/06/08/exclusive-iron-patriot-iron-man-3/
There will be no Iron Patriot in Iron Man 3. The much discussed pics were of a suit for War Machine that has been all star spangled. That's a stunt man in the suit giving Don Cheadle a break, not James Badge Dale as many assumed.

Fucking called it.

HamHamJ

I think I just figured out how to fix Promethius

Spoiler:

Just have all the space jokies be dead. That way it would actually be a poignant statement about the futility of looking to the past for answers, or something. The proto-xenomorphs can even kill everyone in the end if you want.

SammyF

Atomic Ross wrote: »

Bogart wrote: »

Honestly, the Crystal Skull just wasn't any fun.

If you had to sum it up that simply, I think that's pretty succinct.

Pretty much. I've forgotten so much of the movie by this point that I can't really dissect it now, all I have left is the sensation one gets when drinking an off off-brand coca cola substitute. The chemistry's off.

Neco

Bogart wrote: »

Honestly, the Crystal Skull just wasn't any fun.

I don't know, I thought it was a kind of fun film ruined by a terrible plot and a few awful scenes.

I did like the scenes with Indy and Marion though. Harrison Ford and Karen Allen deserved a better movie. Spielberg should have a do-over.

Dynagrip

Prometheus, an awesome trailer ruined by being stretched out into a two hour film.

Harry Dresden

HamHamJ wrote: »

I think I just figured out how to fix Promethius

Spoiler:

Just have all the space jokies be dead. That way it would actually be a poignant statement about the futility of looking to the past for answers, or something. The proto-xenomorphs can even kill everyone in the end if you want.

For this we need somebody to reboot or reimagine the movie from scratch into something that makes sense.

Neco wrote: »

Bogart wrote: »

Honestly, the Crystal Skull just wasn't any fun.

I don't know, I thought it was a kind of fun film ruined by a terrible plot and a few awful scenes.

I did like the scenes with Indy and Marion though. Harrison Ford and Karen Allen deserved a better movie. Spielberg should have a do-over.

They're working on Indy 5. We'll see if Spielberg will screw this up as well then blame everything on Lucas again.

Delta Assault

I've been getting very mixed reviews for Prometheus. Spoony and Adam Quigley from Slashfilm hated it, while The Cinema Snob liked it a lot.

Tomanta

I wonder what material there is for a director's cut of Prometheus.

Spoiler:

It probably can't be completely salvaged, but a few more scenes with the secondary characters to help them stand out, a little embellishment in a few places and cutting a few things - like everything that happens before we see the ship - could help.

The two prologue scenes are rather pointless. The "ancient history" scene badly attempts to answer a question that's not really necessary to answer, and answers it before it is asked. Also, it spoils the surprise that hey - the Engineers are human!. The second scene (2089 dig) introduces a couple of characters, but doesn't really tell us anything about them and the plot point is just reiterated during the mission briefing scene.

Tomanta

Delta Assault wrote: »

I've been getting very mixed reviews for Prometheus. Spoony and Adam Quigley from Slashfilm hated it, while The Cinema Snob liked it a lot.

It's a mixed bag. There's a lot to like about it, and there's a lot that went wrong. As someone who feels 'meh' about it, I say if it interests you, ignore the reviews and go see it.

Lanz

Tomanta wrote: »

I wonder what material there is for a director's cut of Prometheus.

Spoiler:

It probably can't be completely salvaged, but a few more scenes with the secondary characters to help them stand out, a little embellishment in a few places and cutting a few things - like everything that happens before we see the ship - could help.

The two prologue scenes are rather pointless. The "ancient history" scene badly attempts to answer a question that's not really necessary to answer, and answers it before it is asked. Also, it spoils the surprise that hey - the Engineers are human!. The second scene (2089 dig) introduces a couple of characters, but doesn't really tell us anything about them and the plot point is just reiterated during the mission briefing scene.

Scott's first cut is apparently ~30 minutes longer

Delta Assault

Lanz wrote: »

Tomanta wrote: »

I wonder what material there is for a director's cut of Prometheus.

Spoiler:

It probably can't be completely salvaged, but a few more scenes with the secondary characters to help them stand out, a little embellishment in a few places and cutting a few things - like everything that happens before we see the ship - could help.

The two prologue scenes are rather pointless. The "ancient history" scene badly attempts to answer a question that's not really necessary to answer, and answers it before it is asked. Also, it spoils the surprise that hey - the Engineers are human!. The second scene (2089 dig) introduces a couple of characters, but doesn't really tell us anything about them and the plot point is just reiterated during the mission briefing scene.

Scott's first cut is apparently ~30 minutes longer

Does it have a scene of Idris Elba being turned into a cocoon by the alien, begging to be killed?