I don't understand why this show seems to be held to higher standards of "making sense" when pretty much all cartoon tv shows do a worse job at making sense and having a cohesive and consistent world.
Because Avatar: The Last Airbender established a higher standard? Avengers can get away with Hydra invading New York with robot armies because that's the kind of world that is, with shit like AIM that's led by a giant floating head. Avatar is supposed to be a realistic fantasy world, but at this point Thundercats is doing a better job. Thundercats. Fuck, Friendship is Magic has fewer plot holes.
New theory: Amon is real Thomas Marik.
While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
I don't understand why this show seems to be held to higher standards of "making sense" when pretty much all cartoon tv shows do a worse job at making sense and having a cohesive and consistent world.
Because Avatar: The Last Airbender established a higher standard? Avengers can get away with Hydra invading New York with robot armies because that's the kind of world that is, with shit like AIM that's led by a giant floating head. Avatar is supposed to be a realistic fantasy world, but at this point Thundercats is doing a better job. Thundercats. Fuck, Friendship is Magic has fewer plot holes.
New theory: Amon is real Thomas Marik.
Fine. What's your pitch on how the Glorious Equalist Revolution should have started?
I don't understand why this show seems to be held to higher standards of "making sense" when pretty much all cartoon tv shows do a worse job at making sense and having a cohesive and consistent world.
Because Avatar: The Last Airbender established a higher standard? Avengers can get away with Hydra invading New York with robot armies because that's the kind of world that is, with shit like AIM that's led by a giant floating head. Avatar is supposed to be a realistic fantasy world, but at this point Thundercats is doing a better job. Thundercats. Fuck, Friendship is Magic has fewer plot holes.
New theory: Amon is real Thomas Marik.
Fine. What's your pitch on how the Glorious Equalist Revolution should have started?
Start with snatching benders in the middle of the night. Which is basically what they did in that first episode but expand on it. Just every night, Amon breaks into people's houses and takes their bending. Equalist street protests that grow into riots. Give them an actual realistic goal, like demanding that the council of only benders step down and give power to prominent non-benders like Sato (who secretly is an Equalist himself). Treat the Equalists capabilities realistically, instead of having them just overpower all opposition, have them rely on misdirection and stealth, getting in and out before the police can arrive in force. Then either you have Tenzin and co. agree to putting Sato on the council believing it will diffuse the situation and protect the innocent but trusting Sato because he seems like a cool dude, but then Sato subverts the system giving Amon the opening for straight up revolution, or have Tarrlok win out and brutally crack down, causing wide spread unrest. Then reveal the robots and maybe even a couple of airships and use them as a force multiplier for the mob until the police etc are just overwhelmed through sheer weight of numbers.
While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
I don't understand why this show seems to be held to higher standards of "making sense" when pretty much all cartoon tv shows do a worse job at making sense and having a cohesive and consistent world.
Because Avatar: The Last Airbender established a higher standard? Avengers can get away with Hydra invading New York with robot armies because that's the kind of world that is, with shit like AIM that's led by a giant floating head. Avatar is supposed to be a realistic fantasy world, but at this point Thundercats is doing a better job. Thundercats. Fuck, Friendship is Magic has fewer plot holes.
New theory: Amon is real Thomas Marik.
Is it really a plot hole if everything that's required for the supposed deus ex machina to take place was established between exposition and outright showing the viewer?
We've seen equalist airships before, we've seen how they have access to resources, as well as the facilities to manufacture them in secret, both the factories themselves, and the space and transportation to move goods and personnel. We've even seen the hangars where the airships were being built, with multiple airships inside. What's left?
Because Avatar: The Last Airbender established a higher standard? Avengers can get away with Hydra invading New York with robot armies because that's the kind of world that is, with shit like AIM that's led by a giant floating head. Avatar is supposed to be a realistic fantasy world, but at this point Thundercats is doing a better job. Thundercats. Fuck, Friendship is Magic has fewer plot holes.
New theory: Amon is real Thomas Marik.
What plot holes? As far as I can tell, you're the only one complaining about it, and, yet, you haven't defended your position despite several people poking holes in your logic.
To offer a counter point, how was it possible for the Fire Nation in TLA to not only vastly improve and reverse engineer the Mechanist's design for a hot air balloon (Which they turned into a warship), but also build an entire fleet of them and train the crews for them in only a matter of months?
I don't understand why this show seems to be held to higher standards of "making sense" when pretty much all cartoon tv shows do a worse job at making sense and having a cohesive and consistent world.
Because Avatar: The Last Airbender established a higher standard? Avengers can get away with Hydra invading New York with robot armies because that's the kind of world that is, with shit like AIM that's led by a giant floating head. Avatar is supposed to be a realistic fantasy world, but at this point Thundercats is doing a better job. Thundercats. Fuck, Friendship is Magic has fewer plot holes.
New theory: Amon is real Thomas Marik.
Is it really a plot hole if everything that's required for the supposed deus ex machina to take place was established between exposition and outright showing the viewer?
We've seen equalist airships before, we've seen how they have access to resources, as well as the facilities to manufacture them in secret, both the factories themselves, and the space and transportation to move goods and personnel. We've even seen the hangars where the airships were being built, with multiple airships inside. What's left?
That any of that exists is a plot hole. Factories don't work like that. We knew more about the location of factories in Nazi Germany, even the ones they built in caves and shit, than these morons know about whats going on withing their city limits.
No one noticed Sato embezzling millions of dollars?
No one noticed hundreds of tons of materials just disappearing?
No one noticed the couple of new mountains that would be created by excavating enough earth to fit that many airships?
The council-members have not security detail?
The police never even searched the sewers? They come up with that idea pretty quickly after Korra is kidnapped, so why the hell did the actual police not already do that?
Is anyone actually doing anything when they are not on screen? What steps are being taken to try and capture Amon? Are they having any success at all?
While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
Amon ends up capturing Asami and is going to exile/imprison her for siding with the Avatar; Sato turns on Amon and is the one that ends up providing the opportunity to take him down.
I don't understand why this show seems to be held to higher standards of "making sense" when pretty much all cartoon tv shows do a worse job at making sense and having a cohesive and consistent world.
Because Avatar: The Last Airbender established a higher standard? Avengers can get away with Hydra invading New York with robot armies because that's the kind of world that is, with shit like AIM that's led by a giant floating head. Avatar is supposed to be a realistic fantasy world, but at this point Thundercats is doing a better job. Thundercats. Fuck, Friendship is Magic has fewer plot holes.
New theory: Amon is real Thomas Marik.
Is it really a plot hole if everything that's required for the supposed deus ex machina to take place was established between exposition and outright showing the viewer?
We've seen equalist airships before, we've seen how they have access to resources, as well as the facilities to manufacture them in secret, both the factories themselves, and the space and transportation to move goods and personnel. We've even seen the hangars where the airships were being built, with multiple airships inside. What's left?
That any of that exists is a plot hole. Factories don't work like that. We knew more about the location of factories in Nazi Germany, even the ones they built in caves and shit, than these morons know about whats going on withing their city limits.
No one noticed Sato embezzling millions of dollars?
No one noticed hundreds of tons of materials just disappearing?
No one noticed the couple of new mountains that would be created by excavating enough earth to fit that many airships?
The council-members have not security detail?
The police never even searched the sewers? They come up with that idea pretty quickly after Korra is kidnapped, so why the hell did the actual police not already do that?
Is anyone actually doing anything when they are not on screen? What steps are being taken to try and capture Amon? Are they having any success at all?
You're still thinking like their world is closer to our's. It isn't. WW II happens 20 years after LOk's era since it's meant to be the equivalent to the 1920's.
I agree they should have mentioned or shown the police scouring the sewer system for Equalist activity. Not that they might find much that quickly considering how complex the system was. That's a lot of ground to cover and they only have x amount of police. They still need enough manpower to protect the city from non-Equalist crimes and whenever Amon shows up next.
We haven't seen much about how the police go about looking through criminal's embezzling. They didn't have a reason to suspect
Sato
until recently. They may still have officers going through his accounts and his company's. That's going to take time.
I suspect the council wasn't given bodyguards because it'd take too much time to set them up and eat up their budget animating them when they could focus on other things like special effects etc.
The reason we haven't seen the police looking for Amon is because the show is about Korra, not the police force. The story goes where she is.
You need to consider they can't fit everything into the season from reasons outside the show. They have limited time and budget. That's why they prioritize what to keep and what is expendable. It isn't a novel where they can put anything they want in it. Every media has limitations its creators must work around. They've done a wonderful job so far.
You need to consider they can't fit everything into the season from reasons outside the show. They have limited time and budget. That's why they prioritize what to keep and what is expendable. It isn't a novel where they can put anything they want in it. Every media has limitations its creators must work around. They've done a wonderful job so far.
They knew how many episodes they had. They should have told a story they could actually fit into that space.
While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
You need to consider they can't fit everything into the season from reasons outside the show. They have limited time and budget. That's why they prioritize what to keep and what is expendable. It isn't a novel where they can put anything they want in it. Every media has limitations its creators must work around. They've done a wonderful job so far.
They knew how many episodes they had. They should have told a story they could actually fit into that space.
What makes you think they aren't doing their best to accomplish that?
That any of that exists is a plot hole. Factories don't work like that. We knew more about the location of factories in Nazi Germany, even the ones they built in caves and shit, than these morons know about whats going on withing their city limits.
The entire Allied Forces were looking for them. All Republic City has is a police force. You're comparing a police force to the entirety of nations, who, by the way, were twenty years more advanced than the people of Republic City (Shanghai 1920 is the inspiration of Republic City).
No one noticed Sato embezzling millions of dollars?
Not if he's the sole owner of the company, which, since there doesn't appear to be a stock exchange, he likely is? It's his money so long as he pays out costs. Plus, I already talked about the Bill Gates comparison. He could fund supercarriers without embezzling a dime. Sato can't because. . .?
No one noticed hundreds of tons of materials just disappearing?
Not if the majority of the Sato Corp are Equalists. Or just don't want to question their employer.
No one noticed the couple of new mountains that would be created by excavating enough earth to fit that many airships?
Not if Hiroshi Sato, who, until recently, was such an upstanding citizen, built them as manufacturing plants. And that's if the airships were under the mountains in the first place which we don't know.
The council-members have not security detail?
They're benders. What do they need security for? Tenzin handled his attackers just fine, for instance.
The police never even searched the sewers? They come up with that idea pretty quickly after Korra is kidnapped, so why the hell did the actual police not already do that?
No, Bolin came up with that idea. Not the police.
Is anyone actually doing anything when they are not on screen? What steps are being taken to try and capture Amon? Are they having any success at all?
They likely have been trying, but, considering the Equalists seem much more well funded than the Republic City police, I don't see how the Equalists always being one step ahead of the police is a plot hole.
You need to consider they can't fit everything into the season from reasons outside the show. They have limited time and budget. That's why they prioritize what to keep and what is expendable. It isn't a novel where they can put anything they want in it. Every media has limitations its creators must work around. They've done a wonderful job so far.
They knew how many episodes they had. They should have told a story they could actually fit into that space.
What makes you think they aren't doing their best to accomplish that?
Not if he's the sole owner of the company, which, since there doesn't appear to be a stock exchange, he likely is? It's his money so long as he pays out costs. Plus, I already talked about the Bill Gates comparison. He could fund supercarriers without embezzling a dime. Sato can't because. . .?
No, no he can't. That you think he can is mind-boggling. Even if he found someone willing and able to build it, every major government would be like "Wait what, no."
Not if the majority of the Sato Corp are Equalists. Or just don't want to question their employer.
So everyone from the guys digging the ore out of the ground to the guy smelting it into steel is now an Equalits? And you don't find this absurd?
Not if Hiroshi Sato, who, until recently, was such an upstanding citizen, built them as manufacturing plants. And that's if the airships were under the mountains in the first place which we don't know.
Manufacturing plants that never produce anything.
They're benders. What do they need security for? Tenzin handled his attackers just fine, for instance.
Because they are obviously high value targets? Or do you think that one old lady seriously thought she was actually like a one man army?
No, Bolin came up with that idea. Not the police.
So the police are dumber than Bolin.
They likely have been trying, but, considering the Equalists seem much more well funded than the Republic City police, I don't see how the Equalists always being one step ahead of the police is a plot hole.
Which is the fucking problem. If the police can afford airships they are clearly well funded. The apparent wealth that requires Amon's backers to have puts the Gilded Age to shame.
While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
No, no he can't. That you think he can is mind-boggling. Even if he found someone willing and able to build it, every major government would be like "Wait what, no."
In today's world. You seem to think that the era LoK is in is the modern one. It is not. From a purely monetary point of view, yes, Bill Gates could afford to build supercarriers. Sato could, and has, done the same in a world with very little electronic communication and surveillance. This is the second time you compared the era of this show to two completely different eras. You need to take the show in the context of its era.
So everyone from the guys digging the ore out of the ground to the guy smelting it into steel is now an Equalits? And you don't find this absurd?
And you seem to think everyone is going to go up to the CEO of their corporation and question him? Or anyone will outside the upper echelons of the corporation? The working people I know mind their own business when it comes to their employers' operation, especially if their employer appears benevolent or even indifferent. Or have you never heard the term "Don't bite the hand that feeds you"?
Manufacturing plants that never produce anything.
Or they produce cars as a front where the real operation takes place in lower levels?
Because they are obviously high value targets? Or do you think that one old lady seriously thought she was actually like a one man army?
Tenzin is. Lin is. Hell, if we want to talk about old people in the Avatarverse being one man armies, Iroh, Bumi, Jong-Jong, Piandao, and Paku. It's certainly not without precedent.
So the police are dumber than Bolin.
Or they just thought such a notion was absurd, therefore, it didn't even cross their minds. The only reason Bolin did was because he knew the general area where he was spirited off to.
Which is the fucking problem. If the police can afford airships they are clearly well funded. The apparent wealth that requires Amon's backers to have puts the Gilded Age to shame.
Consdiering Sato has a monopoly on the automobile, I don't find this surprising at all.
It actually felt like a bit of a letdown compared to the previous episode. The pacing seemed off with the whole "baby time!" conclusion. Furthermore, I dislike having kids performing heroic actions without any regard as to the potential risk. The villains just seem dumb when this happen. It's ironic since it's a kids cartoon.
Lin's sacrifice was the most interesting element and the sole factor which "saved" this episode from being dull and boring. The slow pace of frames coupled with the powerful music made it seem that much more tragic and heartbreaking than what we have seen from previous debending incidences.
One last thing which irked me was General Iroh (the Second) having Zuko's voice from TLA. They should have gone for a completely different voice.
Sato has an entire automotive corporation at his disposal. More to the point he is the Avatar version of Ford and Edison with the production capacity to match.
In mid 1920s the Ford Corporation produced 10 000 cars per day. Edit. Cars costing around 360$ a piece too.
The Idea that the biggest industrialist in the world can't siphon of some of that production capacity towards his own ends is ridiculous.
If Sato reduces production of cars to 9 000 per day and uses the materials to produce airships instead how many airships could he make? Its not like airships are a solid mass of steel. If he is smart enough to make mechs, he is smart enough to siphon off dual use car parts to make airships.
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The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
It actually felt like a bit of a letdown compared to the previous episode. The pacing seemed off with the whole "baby time!" conclusion. Furthermore, I dislike having kids performing heroic actions without any regard as to the potential risk. The villains just seem dumb when this happen. It's ironic since it's a kids cartoon.
When Jinora first showed up I felt the same until I realized she's literally just a couple years younger than Aang, who was fighting Fire Nation generals at 12. Given that air bending's movements also seem best suited to deal with chi blockers and that it was done at least in part for Meelo humor, it seemed fine to me.
I think it's worth remembering what the Equalists are, practically speaking: a revolutionary group based in the seat of power, Republic City. They're not outside invaders, they're a local uprising with a local base.
Maybe Republic City has huge concentrations of factories in the outskirts? It'd certainly be where the airfields are, but you wouldn't necessary just be able to build those airships.
Clearly those guys in Les Mis should have just come up with the brilliant plan of magically summoned airships.
It worked pretty well for the patriots who stormed the Bastille. Or the brave men who took the Cruiser Aurora. That's how revolutions work.
hahah HamHam doesn't know how to suspend his disbelief. he can't enjoy anything!
It's far worse than that. He doesn't understand how a car could leave an island. That kid has problems.
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Guys, stop arguing with Ham already. Jesus.
Hearing Zuko's voice coming from Iroh II threw me for a bit as well, but it's not a horrible choice. I imagine we would get used to it after a while. I just want to know if he has a badass nickname like his namesake. You know, like The Rising Phoenix of the South or something. That's the one thing missing from today's cynical world. Badass nicknames. If you read Romance of the Three Kingdoms, half of the book is taken up by listing the twelve different names each person has, followed by the stories of how they got their badass nicknames. Really, it's the Chinese equivalent of One Thousand and One Nights, except it should be called, One Thousand and One Badass Nicknames.
It actually felt like a bit of a letdown compared to the previous episode. The pacing seemed off with the whole "baby time!" conclusion. Furthermore, I dislike having kids performing heroic actions without any regard as to the potential risk. The villains just seem dumb when this happen. It's ironic since it's a kids cartoon.
Lin's sacrifice was the most interesting element and the sole factor which "saved" this episode from being dull and boring. The slow pace of frames coupled with the powerful music made it seem that much more tragic and heartbreaking than what we have seen from previous debending incidences.
One last thing which irked me was General Iroh (the Second) having Zuko's voice from TLA. They should have gone for a completely different voice.
Tenzin did bring up how it was dangerous for his kids to fight against the Equalists. Also, Lin didn't want them to engage in combat with the soldiers. Keep in mind they've been trained in bending by Tenzin, a master Airbender and who was trained by Aang himself. They're not ordinary kids so common minions won't overwhelm them. Amon, on the other hand, is another matter and he wasn't on the island. He had other shit to deal with.
It actually felt like a bit of a letdown compared to the previous episode. The pacing seemed off with the whole "baby time!" conclusion. Furthermore, I dislike having kids performing heroic actions without any regard as to the potential risk. The villains just seem dumb when this happen. It's ironic since it's a kids cartoon.
When Jinora first showed up I felt the same until I realized she's literally just a couple years younger than Aang, who was fighting Fire Nation generals at 12. Given that air bending's movements also seem best suited to deal with chi blockers and that it was done at least in part for Meelo humor, it seemed fine to me.
See, here's the difference.
I don't like Meelo as a character. He is the stereotypical goofy kid living in a bubble of his own with no regard to the outside world. It is perfectly acceptable behavior when he is behaving like a kid. However, when he enters the fighting fray, the show portrays him in a unrealistic light with the ability to analyze the battle situation and act accordingly. The other kids perform a 1-shot move and hope for the best, while Meelo takes down not only 1 chi-blocker, but 2! Many of the adult characters, including some of our main cast, can barely take down a single chi-blocker.
It is another instance of kids behaving above their supposed limit and the adult enemies acting like they have never seen kids before.
It's annoying, but I'll accept it as long as the show is regarded as a kids cartoon
Lin is the absolute greatest. I was actually moved when she made her sacrifice.
Yeah, that was done really really well. Also, I was super excited when
she was fighting the Equalists on the island, and she actually used her Earthbending when appropriate!
I swear the creators can read my mind. The battle starts, and I'm thinking "I swear, Lin, you're just going to use your metal and then they electrocute you, come on!" And then she KOs half the crew with Earthbending :P.
It actually felt like a bit of a letdown compared to the previous episode. The pacing seemed off with the whole "baby time!" conclusion. Furthermore, I dislike having kids performing heroic actions without any regard as to the potential risk. The villains just seem dumb when this happen. It's ironic since it's a kids cartoon.
When Jinora first showed up I felt the same until I realized she's literally just a couple years younger than Aang, who was fighting Fire Nation generals at 12. Given that air bending's movements also seem best suited to deal with chi blockers and that it was done at least in part for Meelo humor, it seemed fine to me.
That was my exact train of thought, yeah. It's weird how seeing the older benders in the spotlight in Korra puts TLA in a different perspective.
Oh, and Naga deserves a gold star, she had a pretty epic literal smackdown in this episode.
It actually felt like a bit of a letdown compared to the previous episode. The pacing seemed off with the whole "baby time!" conclusion. Furthermore, I dislike having kids performing heroic actions without any regard as to the potential risk. The villains just seem dumb when this happen. It's ironic since it's a kids cartoon.
When Jinora first showed up I felt the same until I realized she's literally just a couple years younger than Aang, who was fighting Fire Nation generals at 12. Given that air bending's movements also seem best suited to deal with chi blockers and that it was done at least in part for Meelo humor, it seemed fine to me.
See, here's the difference.
I don't like Meelo as a character. He is the stereotypical goofy kid living in a bubble of his own with no regard to the outside world. It is perfectly acceptable behavior when he is behaving like a kid. However, when he enters the fighting fray, the show portrays him in a unrealistic light with the ability to analyze the battle situation and act accordingly. The other kids perform a 1-shot move and hope for the best, while Meelo takes down not only 1 chi-blocker, but 2! Many of the adult characters, including some of our main cast, can barely take down a single chi-blocker.
It is another instance of kids behaving above their supposed limit and the adult enemies acting like they have never seen kids before.
It's annoying, but I'll accept it as long as the show is regarded as a kids cartoon
When has Avatar - either one - not been regarded as a kids cartoon? O_o
It actually felt like a bit of a letdown compared to the previous episode. The pacing seemed off with the whole "baby time!" conclusion. Furthermore, I dislike having kids performing heroic actions without any regard as to the potential risk. The villains just seem dumb when this happen. It's ironic since it's a kids cartoon.
When Jinora first showed up I felt the same until I realized she's literally just a couple years younger than Aang, who was fighting Fire Nation generals at 12. Given that air bending's movements also seem best suited to deal with chi blockers and that it was done at least in part for Meelo humor, it seemed fine to me.
See, here's the difference.
I don't like Meelo as a character. He is the stereotypical goofy kid living in a bubble of his own with no regard to the outside world. It is perfectly acceptable behavior when he is behaving like a kid. However, when he enters the fighting fray, the show portrays him in a unrealistic light with the ability to analyze the battle situation and act accordingly. The other kids perform a 1-shot move and hope for the best, while Meelo takes down not only 1 chi-blocker, but 2! Many of the adult characters, including some of our main cast, can barely take down a single chi-blocker.
It is another instance of kids behaving above their supposed limit and the adult enemies acting like they have never seen kids before.
It's annoying, but I'll accept it as long as the show is regarded as a kids cartoon
When has Avatar - either one - not been regarded as a kids cartoon? O_o
TLA didn't wave away the fact that these were kids trying to save the world. The soldiers didn't let their guard down just because they were kids. They acted accordingly and were bested by a superior opponent. It follows a good line of logic.
In LoK so far, kids are been granted a special "protection" from the author's side. I deem that this purely stems from the main cast being adults and not children. The conflict is centered around them, not the kids. Thus when the enemy interacts with the main cast, they are using their brains and are a threat. When they fight against the kids, they become dumb and are seen as pushovers.
That's my beef. The logic isn't consistent, but script bended to fit a narrative structure and vision.
It is the only instance where I also happen to be with Amon. Meleo is a threat to Republic City and must be debended (possibly also jailed for the rest of his life).
It actually felt like a bit of a letdown compared to the previous episode. The pacing seemed off with the whole "baby time!" conclusion. Furthermore, I dislike having kids performing heroic actions without any regard as to the potential risk. The villains just seem dumb when this happen. It's ironic since it's a kids cartoon.
When Jinora first showed up I felt the same until I realized she's literally just a couple years younger than Aang, who was fighting Fire Nation generals at 12. Given that air bending's movements also seem best suited to deal with chi blockers and that it was done at least in part for Meelo humor, it seemed fine to me.
See, here's the difference.
I don't like Meelo as a character. He is the stereotypical goofy kid living in a bubble of his own with no regard to the outside world. It is perfectly acceptable behavior when he is behaving like a kid. However, when he enters the fighting fray, the show portrays him in a unrealistic light with the ability to analyze the battle situation and act accordingly. The other kids perform a 1-shot move and hope for the best, while Meelo takes down not only 1 chi-blocker, but 2! Many of the adult characters, including some of our main cast, can barely take down a single chi-blocker.
It is another instance of kids behaving above their supposed limit and the adult enemies acting like they have never seen kids before.
It's annoying, but I'll accept it as long as the show is regarded as a kids cartoon
When has Avatar - either one - not been regarded as a kids cartoon? O_o
TLA didn't wave away the fact that these were kids trying to save the world. The soldiers didn't let their guard down just because they were kids. They acted accordingly and were bested by a superior opponent. It follows a good line of logic.
In LoK so far, kids are been granted a special "protection" from the author's side. I deem that this purely stems from the main cast being adults and not children. The conflict is centered around them, not the kids. Thus when the enemy interacts with the main cast, they are using their brains and are a threat. When they fight against the kids, they become dumb and are seen as pushovers.
That's my beef. The logic isn't consistent, but script bended to fit a narrative structure and vision.
The Equalists weren't in mecha. Most Equalists haven't fought Airbenders before, only veterans who have had to fight Tenzin who wiped the floor with them in fair fights. Airbending has an advantage over chi-blocking techniques from being evasive and long distance so they can't get close enough to hit the nerves necessary to block their bending. Also the kids are trained by the previous Avatar's son, you think he wouldn't train them to be badasses?
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Say what you will about him, Meelo is a once-in-a-generation bending genius. Much as Toph brought the world Metalbending, Meelo has brought it Fartbending.
It actually felt like a bit of a letdown compared to the previous episode. The pacing seemed off with the whole "baby time!" conclusion. Furthermore, I dislike having kids performing heroic actions without any regard as to the potential risk. The villains just seem dumb when this happen. It's ironic since it's a kids cartoon.
When Jinora first showed up I felt the same until I realized she's literally just a couple years younger than Aang, who was fighting Fire Nation generals at 12. Given that air bending's movements also seem best suited to deal with chi blockers and that it was done at least in part for Meelo humor, it seemed fine to me.
See, here's the difference.
I don't like Meelo as a character. He is the stereotypical goofy kid living in a bubble of his own with no regard to the outside world. It is perfectly acceptable behavior when he is behaving like a kid. However, when he enters the fighting fray, the show portrays him in a unrealistic light with the ability to analyze the battle situation and act accordingly. The other kids perform a 1-shot move and hope for the best, while Meelo takes down not only 1 chi-blocker, but 2! Many of the adult characters, including some of our main cast, can barely take down a single chi-blocker.
It is another instance of kids behaving above their supposed limit and the adult enemies acting like they have never seen kids before.
It's annoying, but I'll accept it as long as the show is regarded as a kids cartoon
When has Avatar - either one - not been regarded as a kids cartoon? O_o
TLA didn't wave away the fact that these were kids trying to save the world. The soldiers didn't let their guard down just because they were kids. They acted accordingly and were bested by a superior opponent. It follows a good line of logic.
In LoK so far, kids are been granted a special "protection" from the author's side. I deem that this purely stems from the main cast being adults and not children. The conflict is centered around them, not the kids. Thus when the enemy interacts with the main cast, they are using their brains and are a threat. When they fight against the kids, they become dumb and are seen as pushovers.
That's my beef. The logic isn't consistent, but script bended to fit a narrative structure and vision.
The only dumb part really was the fartbending, which I accept because it was funny. Beyond that, the girls attacked swiftly with the element of surprise, using an element that (just how it was in TLA) very few people have ever seen in action.
Meelo also did that weird airball-explosion thing, which was cool an fairly unique. Probably a bit beyond what I'd expect of a kid that young, but eh. He's in the lineage of two great airbending masters, including the Avatar, and was, honestly, probably trained in some combat (I imagine Tenzin and Aang would have learned to not let even their children be unprepared). If that doesn't satisfy you, then just imagine that he's a prodigy, as well as being a goofball kid.
Regarding the mechs,
I admit, I giggled when the they held up their magnets and then just turned them on.
Say what you will about him, Meelo is a once-in-a-generation bending genius. Much as Toph brought the world Metalbending, Meelo has brought it Fartbending.
That's not hard to say. He's got a 33% chance of being the best airbender in his generation :P
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Because Avatar: The Last Airbender established a higher standard? Avengers can get away with Hydra invading New York with robot armies because that's the kind of world that is, with shit like AIM that's led by a giant floating head. Avatar is supposed to be a realistic fantasy world, but at this point Thundercats is doing a better job. Thundercats. Fuck, Friendship is Magic has fewer plot holes.
New theory: Amon is real Thomas Marik.
Fine. What's your pitch on how the Glorious Equalist Revolution should have started?
Start with snatching benders in the middle of the night. Which is basically what they did in that first episode but expand on it. Just every night, Amon breaks into people's houses and takes their bending. Equalist street protests that grow into riots. Give them an actual realistic goal, like demanding that the council of only benders step down and give power to prominent non-benders like Sato (who secretly is an Equalist himself). Treat the Equalists capabilities realistically, instead of having them just overpower all opposition, have them rely on misdirection and stealth, getting in and out before the police can arrive in force. Then either you have Tenzin and co. agree to putting Sato on the council believing it will diffuse the situation and protect the innocent but trusting Sato because he seems like a cool dude, but then Sato subverts the system giving Amon the opening for straight up revolution, or have Tarrlok win out and brutally crack down, causing wide spread unrest. Then reveal the robots and maybe even a couple of airships and use them as a force multiplier for the mob until the police etc are just overwhelmed through sheer weight of numbers.
Is it really a plot hole if everything that's required for the supposed deus ex machina to take place was established between exposition and outright showing the viewer?
We've seen equalist airships before, we've seen how they have access to resources, as well as the facilities to manufacture them in secret, both the factories themselves, and the space and transportation to move goods and personnel. We've even seen the hangars where the airships were being built, with multiple airships inside. What's left?
What plot holes? As far as I can tell, you're the only one complaining about it, and, yet, you haven't defended your position despite several people poking holes in your logic.
To offer a counter point, how was it possible for the Fire Nation in TLA to not only vastly improve and reverse engineer the Mechanist's design for a hot air balloon (Which they turned into a warship), but also build an entire fleet of them and train the crews for them in only a matter of months?
That any of that exists is a plot hole. Factories don't work like that. We knew more about the location of factories in Nazi Germany, even the ones they built in caves and shit, than these morons know about whats going on withing their city limits.
No one noticed Sato embezzling millions of dollars?
No one noticed hundreds of tons of materials just disappearing?
No one noticed the couple of new mountains that would be created by excavating enough earth to fit that many airships?
The council-members have not security detail?
The police never even searched the sewers? They come up with that idea pretty quickly after Korra is kidnapped, so why the hell did the actual police not already do that?
Is anyone actually doing anything when they are not on screen? What steps are being taken to try and capture Amon? Are they having any success at all?
That's... about it, really. Everything in this episode is just OH SHIT, SHIT IS GOING DOWN
You're still thinking like their world is closer to our's. It isn't. WW II happens 20 years after LOk's era since it's meant to be the equivalent to the 1920's.
I agree they should have mentioned or shown the police scouring the sewer system for Equalist activity. Not that they might find much that quickly considering how complex the system was. That's a lot of ground to cover and they only have x amount of police. They still need enough manpower to protect the city from non-Equalist crimes and whenever Amon shows up next.
We haven't seen much about how the police go about looking through criminal's embezzling. They didn't have a reason to suspect
The reason we haven't seen the police looking for Amon is because the show is about Korra, not the police force. The story goes where she is.
You need to consider they can't fit everything into the season from reasons outside the show. They have limited time and budget. That's why they prioritize what to keep and what is expendable. It isn't a novel where they can put anything they want in it. Every media has limitations its creators must work around. They've done a wonderful job so far.
They knew how many episodes they had. They should have told a story they could actually fit into that space.
What makes you think they aren't doing their best to accomplish that?
The entire Allied Forces were looking for them. All Republic City has is a police force. You're comparing a police force to the entirety of nations, who, by the way, were twenty years more advanced than the people of Republic City (Shanghai 1920 is the inspiration of Republic City).
Not if he's the sole owner of the company, which, since there doesn't appear to be a stock exchange, he likely is? It's his money so long as he pays out costs. Plus, I already talked about the Bill Gates comparison. He could fund supercarriers without embezzling a dime. Sato can't because. . .?
Not if the majority of the Sato Corp are Equalists. Or just don't want to question their employer.
Not if Hiroshi Sato, who, until recently, was such an upstanding citizen, built them as manufacturing plants. And that's if the airships were under the mountains in the first place which we don't know.
They're benders. What do they need security for? Tenzin handled his attackers just fine, for instance.
No, Bolin came up with that idea. Not the police.
They likely have been trying, but, considering the Equalists seem much more well funded than the Republic City police, I don't see how the Equalists always being one step ahead of the police is a plot hole.
From the finale preview:
Cause they are failing miserably?
No, no he can't. That you think he can is mind-boggling. Even if he found someone willing and able to build it, every major government would be like "Wait what, no."
So everyone from the guys digging the ore out of the ground to the guy smelting it into steel is now an Equalits? And you don't find this absurd?
Manufacturing plants that never produce anything.
Because they are obviously high value targets? Or do you think that one old lady seriously thought she was actually like a one man army?
So the police are dumber than Bolin.
Which is the fucking problem. If the police can afford airships they are clearly well funded. The apparent wealth that requires Amon's backers to have puts the Gilded Age to shame.
In today's world. You seem to think that the era LoK is in is the modern one. It is not. From a purely monetary point of view, yes, Bill Gates could afford to build supercarriers. Sato could, and has, done the same in a world with very little electronic communication and surveillance. This is the second time you compared the era of this show to two completely different eras. You need to take the show in the context of its era.
And you seem to think everyone is going to go up to the CEO of their corporation and question him? Or anyone will outside the upper echelons of the corporation? The working people I know mind their own business when it comes to their employers' operation, especially if their employer appears benevolent or even indifferent. Or have you never heard the term "Don't bite the hand that feeds you"?
Or they produce cars as a front where the real operation takes place in lower levels?
Tenzin is. Lin is. Hell, if we want to talk about old people in the Avatarverse being one man armies, Iroh, Bumi, Jong-Jong, Piandao, and Paku. It's certainly not without precedent.
Or they just thought such a notion was absurd, therefore, it didn't even cross their minds. The only reason Bolin did was because he knew the general area where he was spirited off to.
Consdiering Sato has a monopoly on the automobile, I don't find this surprising at all.
Lin's sacrifice was the most interesting element and the sole factor which "saved" this episode from being dull and boring. The slow pace of frames coupled with the powerful music made it seem that much more tragic and heartbreaking than what we have seen from previous debending incidences.
One last thing which irked me was General Iroh (the Second) having Zuko's voice from TLA. They should have gone for a completely different voice.
In mid 1920s the Ford Corporation produced 10 000 cars per day. Edit. Cars costing around 360$ a piece too.
The Idea that the biggest industrialist in the world can't siphon of some of that production capacity towards his own ends is ridiculous.
If Sato reduces production of cars to 9 000 per day and uses the materials to produce airships instead how many airships could he make? Its not like airships are a solid mass of steel. If he is smart enough to make mechs, he is smart enough to siphon off dual use car parts to make airships.
It worked pretty well for the patriots who stormed the Bastille.
Fuck airships, what they need are cannons.
It's far worse than that. He doesn't understand how a car could leave an island. That kid has problems.
Hearing Zuko's voice coming from Iroh II threw me for a bit as well, but it's not a horrible choice. I imagine we would get used to it after a while. I just want to know if he has a badass nickname like his namesake. You know, like The Rising Phoenix of the South or something. That's the one thing missing from today's cynical world. Badass nicknames. If you read Romance of the Three Kingdoms, half of the book is taken up by listing the twelve different names each person has, followed by the stories of how they got their badass nicknames. Really, it's the Chinese equivalent of One Thousand and One Nights, except it should be called, One Thousand and One Badass Nicknames.
I don't like Meelo as a character. He is the stereotypical goofy kid living in a bubble of his own with no regard to the outside world. It is perfectly acceptable behavior when he is behaving like a kid. However, when he enters the fighting fray, the show portrays him in a unrealistic light with the ability to analyze the battle situation and act accordingly. The other kids perform a 1-shot move and hope for the best, while Meelo takes down not only 1 chi-blocker, but 2! Many of the adult characters, including some of our main cast, can barely take down a single chi-blocker.
It is another instance of kids behaving above their supposed limit and the adult enemies acting like they have never seen kids before.
It's annoying, but I'll accept it as long as the show is regarded as a kids cartoon
Yeah, that was done really really well. Also, I was super excited when
I swear the creators can read my mind. The battle starts, and I'm thinking "I swear, Lin, you're just going to use your metal and then they electrocute you, come on!" And then she KOs half the crew with Earthbending :P.
The debending better be reversible!
That was my exact train of thought, yeah. It's weird how seeing the older benders in the spotlight in Korra puts TLA in a different perspective.
Oh, and Naga deserves a gold star, she had a pretty epic literal smackdown in this episode.
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When has Avatar - either one - not been regarded as a kids cartoon? O_o
I'm sorry I can't get past this part.
In LoK so far, kids are been granted a special "protection" from the author's side. I deem that this purely stems from the main cast being adults and not children. The conflict is centered around them, not the kids. Thus when the enemy interacts with the main cast, they are using their brains and are a threat. When they fight against the kids, they become dumb and are seen as pushovers.
That's my beef. The logic isn't consistent, but script bended to fit a narrative structure and vision.
It is the only instance where I also happen to be with Amon. Meleo is a threat to Republic City and must be debended (possibly also jailed for the rest of his life).
Meelo also did that weird airball-explosion thing, which was cool an fairly unique. Probably a bit beyond what I'd expect of a kid that young, but eh. He's in the lineage of two great airbending masters, including the Avatar, and was, honestly, probably trained in some combat (I imagine Tenzin and Aang would have learned to not let even their children be unprepared). If that doesn't satisfy you, then just imagine that he's a prodigy, as well as being a goofball kid.
Regarding the mechs,
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That's not hard to say. He's got a 33% chance of being the best airbender in his generation :P
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