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People always go "the south seceded because they wanted to keep their slaves." This is not true.
Nobody does anything because of some wild ideological reason. They're used as justifications almost constantly but they're not actual motives. Sure, it might fly with the brash heir to a thousand-acre plantation, but to the average poor white subsistence farmer who brought his father's musket to the line, he couldn't be paid enough to give a fuck about owning slaves because he'd never get paid enough to own one in his whole life.
The South went to war for the same reasons practically anyone goes to war, ever.
They went to war because they thought they could win.
Try, you know, putting yourselves in the shoes of these people sometimes. Both those on the right and wrong sides of history. Human beings haven't physically evolved since we learned to poke cuneiformic wedges in clay tablets in the days of Mesopotamian god-kings. Anyone you read about in history was a modern homo sapiens sapiens, just like your or me. They weren't stupider, or simpler, or anything less (or more.)
Its just people being people, y'all. That is why history is so fascinating.
Nobody does anything because of some wild ideological reason. They're used as justifications almost constantly but they're not actual motives. Sure, it might fly with the brash heir to a thousand-acre plantation, but to the average poor white subsistence farmer who brought his father's musket to the line, he couldn't be paid enough to give a fuck about owning slaves because he'd never get paid enough to own one in his whole life.
The South went to war for the same reasons practically anyone goes to war, ever.
They went to war because they thought they could win.
Try, you know, putting yourselves in the shoes of these people sometimes. Both those on the right and wrong sides of history. Human beings haven't physically evolved since we learned to poke cuneiformic wedges in clay tablets in the days of Mesopotamian god-kings. Anyone you read about in history was a modern homo sapiens sapiens, just like your or me. They weren't stupider, or simpler, or anything less (or more.)
Its just people being people, y'all. That is why history is so fascinating.
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The poor white farmer was convinced that he would be even poorer if he had to compete in the market with freed slaves. It absolutely was about slavery, they were concerned about "them takin our jerbs". The rich white land owners successfully convinced them that they would be harmed by the slaves being freed, fooling them so completely into not realizing that their job had already been taken and nobody was benefiting except the land owners.
This can be found in modern discourse re: Immigration. If illegal immigrants were able to openly compete for work above board, the fear is that people's jobs will be taken by them. The problem with this line of reasoning is that illegals empirically do find employment in this country; they already have these theoretical jobs, but are treated like shit in them and paid shitty wages because it's better for the (often wealthy) employer
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The people in charge convinced them that not only was it the right thing to do, and in their best interests, but that they could win.
The leaders in the south (aka the rich) wanted to preserve their status quo (aka their wealth), so they whipped the lower classes into a frenzy.
Slave holdings were a part of that wealth, period. It may not have been about the actual act of owning human beings and subjugating them as property, but it absolutely was about maintaining their wealth, no matter what that meant. And in this case, it happened to mean not wanting to lose a lot of invested wealth and capital that happened to be placed in the ownership of other human beings.
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This is the same with terrorism today. 'Religious terrorism' as it is often referred to isn't actually religious in its motives. 9/11 was a direct protest against the United States military presence in Saudi Arabia (which, it should be mentioned, was withdrawn from Saudi Arabia two years later.) Religion is only used as a mobilization tool.
The Southerners waged war to gather slaves and wealth. Washington built an empire from its lust for gold and territory. Lincoln shaped a battered country into an economic superpower.
But war never changes."
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the Civil War was about slavery and any attempt to argue otherwise is retarded. The South absolutely seceded because they wanted to keep their slaves; this was exactly the issue the compromise acts were attempting to mollify. But you don't have to believe me, you can just go read the cornerstone speech by confederate VP Alexander Stephens:
or pretty much any other statements on the subject from southern political leaders of the time. The southern states knew that eventually congress would wind up with an anti-slavery majority, so they wanted to leave the union.
this is a dumb construction. Jokes aside, there are 230some countries in the world, and the United States isn't at war with the vast majority of them. Not because we wouldn't win, because against the vast majority we probably would. Countries go to war because they want something; almost always, they're after some resource or other. The 'resource' the south wanted was black people.
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Bingo.
All you have to do is look at the changes made to the Confederate Constitution compared to the American one
What is accurate to say is, "the Civil War was not about freeing slaves." That is completely accurate and an interesting point of discussion, particularly in regards to how history classes teach the Civil War in America. Its more about de-glorifying the North as opposed to de-vilifying the South.
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The Lost Causers spent a long time trying to foster the narrative that the "war of northern aggression" wasn't really about slavery, it was just about economic freedom and a noble blow for states' rights on the part of refined southern aristocracy or whatever else, but the southern mythic ignores what should be obvious to everyone on first glance: when your society is proudly built on human subjugation and racism, your effort to defend it is based on the same.
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