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  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    or

    i could go to sleep

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  • Big Red TieBig Red Tie gem flipping just to get by stack your billions till they get sky highRegistered User regular
    a truly disgusting display

  • FutoreFutore Registered User regular
    facetious wrote: »

    this was god damn adorable

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  • FutoreFutore Registered User regular
    seriously, are you guys like that again yet?

    is that the sort of thing that happens in online sessions?

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  • Big Red TieBig Red Tie gem flipping just to get by stack your billions till they get sky highRegistered User regular
    what?

  • FutoreFutore Registered User regular
    a nice little group with each other that is close knit and all that

    we were like that a good amount back when i used to play Streets consistently. and I miss it, fool

    Futore on
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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    knob, have you been practicing Hakan's crisco cancels as well? it makes him pretty monstrous. It's like fighting against Abel with way better grab range.

    Inquisitor wrote: »
    I fucking hate you Canadians.
  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetSuper Moderator, Moderator mod
    I haven't started drilling them yet, I'm still getting comfortable with dnc, fadnc, and hakan parries. Seemed like the first step, then crisco cancel is a logical progression from there.

    Right now I'm making a reference card with common setups and safe oils for each matchup, because damn hakan uses a lot of setups that are different for each character.

  • blaze_zeroblaze_zero Registered User regular
    Wow, that's a lot of jargon.

  • Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity Ask me about Super Propane and Super Propane accessoriesRegistered User regular
    Some of those Wesker combos were stylish

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  • FutoreFutore Registered User regular
    Knob wrote: »
    Right now I'm making a reference card with common setups and safe oils for each matchup, because damn hakan uses a lot of setups that are different for each character.

    it's a shame people don't really play Honda anymore. Because that is a matchup you can really control if you put in enough time to the option selects and such

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  • Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity Ask me about Super Propane and Super Propane accessoriesRegistered User regular
    When I use a s d space bar I input them too fast without releasing the prior key

    Therefore not getting cardinal inputs

    And not getting SVDs out >: (

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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetSuper Moderator, Moderator mod
    Haven't played hakan/Honda yet, but on paper its supposed to be one of his worse matchups. Before 2012 I can see it being basically impossible. With oiled normals and mobility, hakan can slip (haha) in and start some real bullshit on Honda, but he's very easy to keep out dry and Honda has an extremely painful answer to oil attempts.

    Starting oiled at least gives you a chance to seize momentum

  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    I now have PC Streets. Have I made a mistake? (I am at work).

    Can just jack a 360 controller in, right?

    Also, Zero / Nova / Vergil is sick. Vergil is still a fraud for me, but damn is it weird having an assist that can actually get across the screen now.

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  • WaltWalt Waller Arcane Enchanted Frozen ElectrifiedRegistered User regular
    Bizazedo wrote: »
    I now have PC Streets. Have I made a mistake? (I am at work).

    Can just jack a 360 controller in, right?

    Also, Zero / Nova / Vergil is sick. Vergil is still a fraud for me, but damn is it weird having an assist that can actually get across the screen now.

    if its wireless you need a receiver since the charging cable for wireless controllers doesn't actually transmit any data

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  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    Walt wrote: »
    if its wireless you need a receiver since the charging cable for wireless controllers doesn't actually transmit any data

    I have different cables to connect through USB. But it sounds like Bison hate exists, which is silly ;).

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  • FutoreFutore Registered User regular
    Knob wrote: »
    Haven't played hakan/Honda yet, but on paper its supposed to be one of his worse matchups. Before 2012 I can see it being basically impossible. With oiled normals and mobility, hakan can slip (haha) in and start some real bullshit on Honda, but he's very easy to keep out dry and Honda has an extremely painful answer to oil attempts.

    Starting oiled at least gives you a chance to seize momentum

    this was pre-2012, so some things may be different, but I can't imagine they've gotten any worse


    at the end are the option-selects I was referring to that, once you get a knockdown, shut down every one of Honda's wakeup options

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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetSuper Moderator, Moderator mod
    Hakan has answers for most everyone on wakeup, its pretty great. I'm not used to playing a character that can shut down srk.

  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    crisco cancel = dash normal cancel (dnc)

    for those of you following along, hakan can cancel his dash into a normal attack when he is oiled. this is tremendously powerful, especially if you focus attack, dash cancel, cancel into a normal. he can combo from level 1 focus, and can just rush you down and stick to you like Abel and his step kick.

    Inquisitor wrote: »
    I fucking hate you Canadians.
  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetSuper Moderator, Moderator mod
    Dash normal cancels, focus attack dash normal cancels, and crisco cancels are different. Crisco is specifically fadcing a normal, then canceling the dash into another normal, creating either yet another mixup opportunity in a blockstring or creating links that aren't otherwise possible, pushing damage and stun output through the roof.

    For two meters, you can j.rh, towards+strong xx crisco xx cr.mk xx fierce slide, splash followup for 361 damage and 450 stun

    That's crazy

  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    Knob wrote: »
    Dash normal cancels, focus attack dash normal cancels, and crisco cancels are different. Crisco is specifically fadcing a normal, then canceling the dash into another normal, creating either yet another mixup opportunity in a blockstring or creating links that aren't otherwise possible, pushing damage and stun output through the roof.

    For two meters, you can j.rh, towards+strong xx crisco xx cr.mk xx fierce slide, splash followup for 361 damage and 450 stun

    That's crazy

    ah, the terminology in the video i watched might have been wrong then.

    the pressure you can create with those dash cancels is enormous, but 361 damage doesn't seem like much off a jump-in with two bars, honestly - most characters can output about 320 off a jump-in with no meter. Obviously it's a lot more than Hakan's normal combos will do, but it seems like he'd be better off saving the meter for invincible grabs, fast EX slides to punish fireballs, even a super to punish neutral jumps and etc.

    The stun is pretty huge, though, there is that.

    Inquisitor wrote: »
    I fucking hate you Canadians.
  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights fuck tough be coolRegistered User regular
    I finally figured out how to get all that meter for a genei jin every round

    i need to work on command grab setups now too

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  • blaze_zeroblaze_zero Registered User regular
    I thought you played Yang?

  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights fuck tough be coolRegistered User regular
    i do!

    but i picked up yun cuz i've always liked him too, and i wanted to keep things fresh

    i usually cycle rose>yang>yun when i play ranked

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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetSuper Moderator, Moderator mod
    Knob wrote: »
    Dash normal cancels, focus attack dash normal cancels, and crisco cancels are different. Crisco is specifically fadcing a normal, then canceling the dash into another normal, creating either yet another mixup opportunity in a blockstring or creating links that aren't otherwise possible, pushing damage and stun output through the roof.

    For two meters, you can j.rh, towards+strong xx crisco xx cr.mk xx fierce slide, splash followup for 361 damage and 450 stun

    That's crazy

    ah, the terminology in the video i watched might have been wrong then.

    the pressure you can create with those dash cancels is enormous, but 361 damage doesn't seem like much off a jump-in with two bars, honestly - most characters can output about 320 off a jump-in with no meter. Obviously it's a lot more than Hakan's normal combos will do, but it seems like he'd be better off saving the meter for invincible grabs, fast EX slides to punish fireballs, even a super to punish neutral jumps and etc.

    The stun is pretty huge, though, there is that.

    The comparable combo without crisco is 300, 380. I wouldn't do it if I only had 2 meters, but if I was sitting on 3+ on game point, that's a fairly significant boost.

  • WaltWalt Waller Arcane Enchanted Frozen ElectrifiedRegistered User regular
    I finally figured out how to get all that meter for a genei jin every round

    i need to work on command grab setups now too
    uh....
    do c.mp links and palm when people are just letting you do it?

    there's not really command grab setups imo, you just have to pick up when you have worn someone down mentally enough to where they are going to block and that means you can scoop them.

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  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights fuck tough be coolRegistered User regular
    Walt wrote: »
    I finally figured out how to get all that meter for a genei jin every round

    i need to work on command grab setups now too
    uh....
    do c.mp links and palm when people are just letting you do it?

    there's not really command grab setups imo, you just have to pick up when you have worn someone down mentally enough to where they are going to block and that means you can scoop them.
    no, purposefully going for shoulders a lot

    so should i be ticking with jab? i've never really been sure how to know when a good time to try a command grab is unless i'm an actual grappler

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  • WaltWalt Waller Arcane Enchanted Frozen ElectrifiedRegistered User regular
    Walt wrote: »
    I finally figured out how to get all that meter for a genei jin every round

    i need to work on command grab setups now too
    uh....
    do c.mp links and palm when people are just letting you do it?

    there's not really command grab setups imo, you just have to pick up when you have worn someone down mentally enough to where they are going to block and that means you can scoop them.
    no, purposefully going for shoulders a lot

    so should i be ticking with jab? i've never really been sure how to know when a good time to try a command grab is unless i'm an actual grappler

    I actually don't recommend always going for shoulder against experienced players because it's actually punishable (albeit tight).

    You can do approximately 2 jabs from deep and still be able to land a command grab, though if you don't start up close you'll have to use EX for extra range. You can also frame trap with c.mp and do an immediate grab. If you cancel the last active frame its like a 3f window to escape.

    Online, you can't train people, because they aren't thinking, so just do command grabs if they show they don't like to press buttons while being pressured. If they do like to press buttons (that aren't DP) you can do block string-dive kick and if they like to DP just do what you would with anyone else and jab-jab-block.

    Another easy one is you can grab people on their wakeup if they don't press buttons. Save it for when you have genei jin though.

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  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights fuck tough be coolRegistered User regular
    definitely not always but i even mean shoulder hit

    if you put the jab jab strong in fast enough, which my fingers tend to be, sometimes my strong doesn't came out cuz i hit it too fast and it's sad, you can hit with lp shoulder and you're +2

    but mainly i end with kicks, yes

    sweet! thank you, because it's even more important for yang, i feel, who has the opponent in blockstun a lot, but has more trouble getting a touch in, from my experience

    and i can see how to apply it to him too

    so thanks!

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  • Baroque And RollBaroque And Roll Registered User regular
    Since Capcom is releasing an HD version of JoJo's, doesn't that mean it'll have to come off GGPO?

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  • templewulftemplewulf Registered User regular
    I'm online for xbox fighting. I'm extra online I'd anyone has vf5

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  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights fuck tough be coolRegistered User regular
    i've been thinking about getting vf5 just because fighting games are good for parties and it's fun to watch them play them

    but i don't know if anyone would actually enjoy it

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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetSuper Moderator, Moderator mod
    Since Capcom is releasing an HD version of JoJo's, doesn't that mean it'll have to come off GGPO?

    Very likely. Supercade may keep it, though. They still have 3s

  • Dyvim TvarDyvim Tvar Evil Snake Cult Leader Registered User regular
    templewulf wrote: »
    I'm online for xbox fighting. I'm extra online I'd anyone has vf5

    I will happily get bodied on VF5.

  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetSuper Moderator, Moderator mod
    Rog has fucked my game up. I need to get the hell off cr.jab.

  • Big Red TieBig Red Tie gem flipping just to get by stack your billions till they get sky highRegistered User regular
    replace all cr jabs with command grabs

  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights fuck tough be coolRegistered User regular
    i can't stand fighting cody with anyone but rose

    his buttons are such good buttons that i just can't play footsies against it

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  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    So is pC Streets a regular thing and is it worth my time?

    Meaning I play Bison only.

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  • WaltWalt Waller Arcane Enchanted Frozen ElectrifiedRegistered User regular
    definitely not always but i even mean shoulder hit

    if you put the jab jab strong in fast enough, which my fingers tend to be, sometimes my strong doesn't came out cuz i hit it too fast and it's sad, you can hit with lp shoulder and you're +2

    but mainly i end with kicks, yes

    sweet! thank you, because it's even more important for yang, i feel, who has the opponent in blockstun a lot, but has more trouble getting a touch in, from my experience

    and i can see how to apply it to him too

    so thanks!
    Yang's Command Grab sets up some dirty mixups and is itself a dirty mixup

    Yang: shit's dirty

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  • AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular
    I'm on like the 17th step of the PCAE installation, and I've gotta go to work in 15 minutes. This shit is annoying.

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