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Stoked: Ron Paul 08

KatholicKatholic Registered User regular
edited March 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
AP Texas News

March 12, 2007, 12:19PM

Texas congressman Paul formally announces presidential candidacy

HOUSTON — Ron Paul, a nine-term Texas congressman who describes himself as a lifelong libertarian, formally announced his candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination Monday.

Appearing on C-SPAN's "Washington Journal," Paul said he was at first reluctant to run, but that "a lot of people want to hear my message and I'm willing to deliver it."

Paul, who formed an exploratory committee in January, said he had raised more than $500,000 in the past month "with very little effort."

"So far, the amount of money raised isn't competitive with those establishment candidates who will raise $100 million, but with the Internet and the amount of money and enthusiasm, I think we can become very competitive," he said.

Paul, who also ran for the White House as a Libertarian Party candidate in 1988, has spent three days campaigning in New Hampshire. He is planning trips to Arizona and Iowa, homes to some of the nation's earliest caucuses and primaries, and said he expects to be included in any GOP debates.

Paul, an obstetrician/gynecologist from just south of Houston, is far from the Republican mainstream and acknowledged that he has been largely shunned by the national party. He has criticized President Bush for acting unconstitutionally in sending U.S. troops to Iraq and has said he would support an investigation into whether Bush "deliberately misrepresented" his reasons for doing so.

"I'm very confident the Republican party has gone in the wrong direction," Paul said in his C-SPAN appearance. "We used to be the party of small government. Now we're the party of big government."

By JOE STINEBAKER Associated Press Writer
© 2007 The Associated Press

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I have been keeping up with my favorite 2008 candidate and am now very excited that he officialled announced his candidacy. Now I realize he has little name recognition, but I am just curious how would you feel about this heavily libertarian candidate. He is very much opposed to the Iraq war, making him a very different candidate. I guess another question of mine....what do you think his shot of getting past the primaries is.....1 in a million?

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    what do you think his shot of getting past the primaries is.....1 in a million?
    That, give or take .0001%.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    He's the Al Sharpton of the Republican party.

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Thanatos wrote: »
    He's the Al Sharpton of the Republican party.

    Except i think less people know who he is and more people know that libertarians are whacko.

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    That's funny wording, "know that libertarians are whacko".

    Anyway, I used parts from one of his speeches in a paper I wrote so I know who he is. I liked very much what he said in the speech and the timing of it too. He was warning against an overreaction of American power shortly after 9-11. I'll be listening to what he has to say.

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  • GorakGorak Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Wait so now the Republicans are running in 2008 as well? I got the impression from the media that it was just Obama v Hilary.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited March 2007
    Gorak wrote: »
    Wait so now the Republicans are running in 2008 as well? I got the impression from the media that it was just Obama v Hilary.
    Putting up Ron Paul definitely doesn't count as "running in 2008".

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  • stuckpixelstuckpixel Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Ron Paul is the only decent candidate in the 08 elections. And sadly, he'll probably be beat out in the primaries by juliani or some other schmuck.

    Hillary will be the death of us all.

    Obama doesn't seem too bad, but I don't really get the feeling that much will change with him in power.

    Ron Paul understands how the forefathers envisioned the government, and wants to work to get us closer to that ideal.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited March 2007
    stuckpixel wrote: »
    Ron Paul understands how the forefathers envisioned the government, and wants to work to get us closer to that ideal.

    The founding fathers didn't fetishize the market. They mostly just sought to limit government in certain ways.

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Hoz wrote: »
    That's funny wording, "know that libertarians are whacko".

    Anyway, I used parts from one of his speeches in a paper I wrote so I know who he is. I liked very much what he said in the speech and the timing of it too. He was warning against an overreaction of American power shortly after 9-11. I'll be listening to what he has to say.

    Why is that funny wording?

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Irond Will wrote: »
    stuckpixel wrote: »
    Ron Paul understands how the forefathers envisioned the government, and wants to work to get us closer to that ideal.

    The founding fathers didn't fetishize the market. They mostly just sought to limit government in certain ways.

    They were also kinda cool with owning people.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Irond Will wrote: »
    stuckpixel wrote: »
    Ron Paul understands how the forefathers envisioned the government, and wants to work to get us closer to that ideal.

    The founding fathers didn't fetishize the market. They mostly just sought to limit government in certain ways.

    They were also kinda cool with owning people.

    They were also a diverse group of people who hated each other with a burning passion.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited March 2007
    Hoz wrote: »
    That's funny wording, "know that libertarians are whacko".

    Whatever the merits of the Libertarian party might be, most actual Libertarians are batshit crazy.

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  • Darth WaiterDarth Waiter Elrond Hubbard Mordor XenuRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Thanatos wrote: »
    He's the Al Sharpton of the Republican party.

    I believe that may be the nicest thing you've ever said about any Texan.:P

    I waited on this guy about four years ago when I was working near the Galleria in Houston; he's not a bad guy and it's been my experience that people's worst behavior comes out while dining in a restaurant. So for what it's worth, he's a decent tipper with good manners and doesn't take his server for granted. I don't know how much that will influence people when it comes to voting and how much his dining habits will affect his governing skills, but he can't be any worse than Dubya.

    p.s. His bio isn't half bad either: http://www.house.gov/paul/bio.shtml

    edit: I know he's not a native Texan, yeesh.

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Ok, so just how extreme are his libertarian views? I'd consider myself to be a moderate libertarian, but the "privatize all schools" kind of libertarians are a bit much for me.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    stuckpixel wrote: »
    Ron Paul is the only decent candidate in the 08 elections. And sadly, he'll probably be beat out in the primaries by juliani or some other schmuck.
    :roll:

    Ron Paul is crazy. Given that there are your Joe Bidens and Barack Obamas and John Edwards who aren't crazy, I'd hardly say he's the "only decent candidate."
    Hillary will be the death of us all.
    :roll: :roll: :roll:

    She wouldn't be great, but she wouldn't be terrible.
    Obama doesn't seem too bad, but I don't really get the feeling that much will change with him in power.
    I get the feeling he could do a lot better job than the guy we have in there now.
    Ron Paul understands how the forefathers envisioned the government, and wants to work to get us closer to that ideal.
    Which forefathers? Because Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton had two very different visions of the government.

    And why the hell do the forefathers' ideals matter, anyhow? An awful lot of them considered "owning people" as part of the ideal government, too.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Septus wrote: »
    Ok, so just how extreme are his libertarian views? I'd consider myself to be a moderate libertarian, but the "privatize all schools" kind of libertarians are a bit much for me.
    Relative to the Libertarian party, I get the idea he's a moderate. Though, that's like saying being a bright color relative to black. :P

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  • templewulftemplewulf The Team Chump USARegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Will he run as a Libertarian or Republican? I just can't bring myself to vote for Republicans anymore. I may not like Democrats, but they're at least separated a few degrees further from PNAC.

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    templewulf wrote: »
    Will he run as a Libertarian or Republican? I just can't bring myself to vote for Republicans anymore. I may not like Democrats, but they're at least separated a few degrees further from PNAC.

    The press statement says he's running for the Republican nomination. I don't think he'll win, but it's his only shot.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    templewulf wrote: »
    Will he run as a Libertarian or Republican? I just can't bring myself to vote for Republicans anymore. I may not like Democrats, but they're at least separated a few degrees further from PNAC.
    Katholic wrote: »
    HOUSTON — Ron Paul, a nine-term Texas congressman who describes himself as a lifelong libertarian, formally announced his candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination Monday.

    For some reason, despite all the evidence to the contrary, Libertarians and the libertarian wing of the Republican party think that the Republicans are the party of small government.

    Personally, I think they've been living in a cave somewhere for the past five years.

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Well, the Republicans in control of the nation aren't necessarily representative of the Republican ideal. The party down here in Texas actually does favor and take action to limit the size of government.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Septus wrote: »
    Well, the Republicans in control of the nation aren't necessarily representative of the Republican ideal. The party down here in Texas actually does favor and take action to limit the size of government.
    Republicans like Tom DeLay?

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Septus wrote: »
    Well, the Republicans in control of the nation aren't necessarily representative of the Republican ideal. The party down here in Texas actually does favor and take action to limit the size of government.
    Republicans like Tom DeLay?

    You mean a Republican in Congress like I just talked about? I mean the state government.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    The Libertarian party gets less libertarian all the time.

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  • KatholicKatholic Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Thanatos wrote: »
    stuckpixel wrote: »
    Ron Paul is the only decent candidate in the 08 elections. And sadly, he'll probably be beat out in the primaries by juliani or some other schmuck.
    :roll:

    Ron Paul is crazy. Given that there are your Joe Bidens and Barack Obamas and John Edwards who aren't crazy, I'd hardly say he's the "only decent candidate."
    Hillary will be the death of us all.
    :roll: :roll: :roll:

    She wouldn't be great, but she wouldn't be terrible.
    Obama doesn't seem too bad, but I don't really get the feeling that much will change with him in power.
    I get the feeling he could do a lot better job than the guy we have in there now.
    Ron Paul understands how the forefathers envisioned the government, and wants to work to get us closer to that ideal.
    Which forefathers? Because Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton had two very different visions of the government.

    And why the hell do the forefathers' ideals matter, anyhow? An awful lot of them considered "owning people" as part of the ideal government, too.

    I wouldn't say he is crazy, he just is principled and refuses to change his views to accomodate other people. I'm not a fan of either Clinton or Obama

    Clinton:
    protective tariffs, Universal health care, pro-abortion, Gun control, anti-videogames, against vouchers

    Flip flopper: Immigration (called for strict regulation but voted against H.R. 4437), Iraq war, Patriot Act

    She definetly isn't the worst candidate, but I just feel like she only makes political moves for glory and popularity.


    Obama:
    Farm subsidies, pro-abortion, wants to guarentee life-long affordable education (not quite sure what he means by this), control energy sources, wants to promote democracy abroad, gun control, universal health care, patriot act, wants to make sure "african americans" have access to jobs, strengthen union and worker rights, very pro-welfare.

    I think he is inexperienced and doesn't match my principles so I would have no interest in voting for him.


    Paul08

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Septus wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Septus wrote: »
    Well, the Republicans in control of the nation aren't necessarily representative of the Republican ideal. The party down here in Texas actually does favor and take action to limit the size of government.
    Republicans like Tom DeLay?

    You mean a Republican in Congress like I just talked about? I mean the state government.

    You mean like George W. Bush? Jesus Day is a really libertarian idea now?

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Also, his views are pretty stupid. He wants a complete withdrawal from the UN. He need to move on from the gold standard. It is fucking dead as a doorknob.

    As for flip flopping. He voted for the Partial Birth Abortion Act of 2003 despite being a libertarian who supposedly believed that the issue should be left to the state governments. He supported an act that would prevent the Supreme Court from ordering a state to recognize gay marriage in other states so he apparently doesn't mind fucking with the constitution.
    wikipedia wrote:
    Of 9/11 Paul has said "the investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on".
    From his voting records, it appears he likes to say "states rights" any time a controversial issue appears.

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    Septus wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Septus wrote: »
    Well, the Republicans in control of the nation aren't necessarily representative of the Republican ideal. The party down here in Texas actually does favor and take action to limit the size of government.
    Republicans like Tom DeLay?

    You mean a Republican in Congress like I just talked about? I mean the state government.

    You mean like George W. Bush? Jesus Day is a really libertarian idea now?

    :roll:
    Yes, I'm talking about the past, the long-long-ago.

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