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    EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    You might try this thread just a couple lines down. It's not the exact situation, but I imagine advice in there would be really relevant.

    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/165513/trouble-achieving-orgasm#latest

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    EsseeEssee The pinkest of hair. Victoria, BCRegistered User regular
    Does the trouble start when you get naked, or just when you start putting on a condom? If the latter... Have you tried different types of condoms? (That's mentioned in the other thread Esh was linking, I believe.) Is any other type of birth control an option for you guys? There are more options out there for birth control than there used to be, and as of August 1st she may even be able to get it for free in the future thanks to the Affordable Care Act, assuming she has health insurance. (That may only take effect when she next renews her insurance though, from a bit of googling.) And I know in my case, I actually started birth control to help control my cramps, not to avoid getting pregnant, so it can have side benefits as well (but that's a discussion between her and her doctor). She should at least talk to a doctor to get information about the various methods that are out there, including the upsides and downsides to each, if this is the issue. Or heck, even if that isn't the issue it's still a good conversation for her to have at some point.

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    InxInx Registered User regular
    Sounds to me like it might boil down to performance anxiety. The pressure to be a good lover can be really stifling, and it's not uncommon for it to kill a boner or two. From there, the pressure to actually get and maintain an erection can do the same thing.

    So, what I'm trying to say is try talking it out with her. Tell her that you want to be a good lover for her, and that your difficulties in bed aren't because you're not attracted to her. If it's your first relationship, I'm assuming that it would be your first time having sex (correct me if I'm wrong). If that's the case, you could try having her encourage you to do certain things that she likes.

    Try starting slow once the clothes come off. Don't jump right to the jimmy hat. Kiss each other, touch each other. Go down on each other. See if you can get her to orgasm just from that. Once she's had her satisfaction, the pressure to perform might not be so bad, and might not cause problems.

    Granted, I'm no expert. My girlfriend just broke up with me. But I think this might be a good approach.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Here's the problem, deflation can happen really quickly once you stop doing the thing you're doing that gets you going.

    Keep doing, clothes come off at the same time, get the condom out and ready before you're naked. Once naked (while doing those things) put the condom on (or have her put it on) and you should be good to go.

    I also recommend you practice putting on condoms until you can do it in 2 seconds.

    If the condom in particular is the problem, like others have said, switch it up. But I'm guessing the issue is the fidgeting around and taking a few minutes to get situated which is way too long to maintain an erection for you. Don't worry it's happened to most everyone at some point in their life.

    Maybe use oral to keep her occupied while you recover and recompose yourself.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    If you're worried about ED and had to go to a doctor, why would that involve your parents? I don't necessarily agree with your assumptions but if you're on your parents insurance you'll have your own ins card, etc. Your college should have a clinic.

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    PentaghostPentaghost Classification: NOT SO BAD The Southern OracleRegistered User regular
    The problem with this is that it has a tendency to snowball very quickly, turning sex, or even the prospect of sex, into a stressful situation. After eight months of trying, I can't imagine sex is very fun for you. When you guys are fooling around, are you already worrying about being able to perform?

    One thing that I'd suggest is have her put the condom on instead, that way you can incorporate it into the foreplay rather than stop for a few minutes while you fumble around with a package and inevitably lose your erection.

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    OpposingFarceOpposingFarce Registered User regular
    @Esh, thanks, I already wen't through that thread and it was part of my motivation for dealing with my own problem. Did find some relevant advice though.

    @Essee that could work, her getting BC, but we're both hesitant because the issue is really with me. Having her do this may not necessarily fix the real issue.

    @Inx, I guess never considered doing her first, then me. I'll try that.

    @bowen, that's basically what I've been trying to do, but I guess I should just practice some with putting it on. And it was never like I was fidgeting for minutes it just... I don't know. Deflates.

    @kaliyama, I don't know, I just feel like it would come up on a statement or something. I'm not exactly sure how it would go. I'll investigate the school clinic though.

    Thanks guys. Talking about it helps.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Even a few seconds fumbling around will mess a guy up. Get it ready before hand, get good at putting them on, you should be good. It's hard putting condoms on a floppy sausage, for instance.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    WildEEPWildEEP Registered User regular
    I would recommend that you try getting her off without the use of your penis at least once before you begin penetration.
    Its been my experience that direct clitoral stimulation orgasms and actual vaginal penetration orgasms feel completely different - so even if your girl gets overly sensitive after an orgasm, you may find that after manual, toy, or oral stimulation that she's still fully capable of continuing fun time.
    Also - stimulation for you both will be based on positions, so make sure you're switching it up during each session...Her legs over her shoulders, Her Legs over your shoulders, Her laying sideways, Doggie Style, Her on Top, Her on top Reversed. If you both aren't getting a good cardio workout from your session, then its time to step up your game.

    As for the other stuff - you are 21 years old, you can go to the doctor on your own and make your own co-payment. Don't give an explanation to your parents if you don't want to.
    Medical diagnosis don't show up on bills - and depending on the state - Dr/Patient confidentiality will restrict them from telling them what you went in for.
    If you HAVE to have an excuse, say you went in for a mean chest cough and they gave you some codeine and Robitussin.

    Bottom line on the blue pill, is that if you think you need it, then odds are you do. Nothing is going to cure that insecurity except you, and that's a lot harder to treat than blood flow.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Two quick notes before I get to advice. One: your porn/masturbation habits don't sound like "addiction" to me, nor do I think they're to blame for what's going on here. Addiction is like, watching porn all of the time, whenever you have a chance, which is not what you're doing. It does, however, sound like you feel some shame for the amount you masturbate/watch porn - which is interesting. Do you think you feel that way, and if you do, why?

    (as a sidenote, I watch porn and masturbate almost every day, and my fiancee and I also have sex almost every day. That doesn't work for everyone, but my point is, I doubt it's porn/masturbation that's to blame, since you never did it to what I would call an excessive amount. It has not been uncommon for me to masturbate 2-3 times a day for months on end during my life. Excessive is when you're getting towards 5+ every day, I think xD)

    Two: Size only matters to an extent. Too big can be an even bigger problem than too small (many, many women have said this to me). Smallness can be made up for with skill, attention to your partner, and willingness to put her pleasure before yours. Bigness? Well, that kind of just hurts for most women, no matter what. So, I really wouldn't worry about this too much. If you're an attentive partner who makes the effort to make sure she gets her pleasure when you do end up having sex (and this may necessitate going down on her until she orgasms after every time you have sex - which is okay!), then I think this will ultimately not be an issue for you. I have seen many women say "he's small, but he knows how to use it and he cares about my pleasure, so I love having sex with him." I have seen very few women say "he's too big, but it's okay." So, I would really not worry too much about that.

    Now, on to advice!

    I don't think you have ED, because you can get erections/have orgasms. Don't worry about that or think you need to go to a doctor for this. I think what you have is pretty common; I think you have performance anxiety/nerves.

    Which is something many (if not most) men have grappled with at some point, so don't feel bad! I had issues with it when I was first losing my virginity too - I couldn't wear condoms for a long time without almost immediately going flaccid. I kind of lucked out because the girl I lost my virginity to and dated for a year after that was on birth control, so I had time to get comfortable/confident with sex before having to think about condoms (and even then for the first couple months she had to give me head for 5-10 minutes so I could get hard enough to have sex; I eventually got over this and haven't had issues since, but this is very common). You may not have that luxury, so, here are my thoughts:

    -Have you guys made out naked and just spend time being naked together? It sounds like you guys are trying to transition directly from making out/over the clothes groping to sex, which is really rushing things in my opinion, especially as you're a virgin. It's really important to be comfortable with your body, her body, and the two of them together before you try to do anything sexual. Discomfort leads to nerves, and nerves lead to a very hard time keeping an erection (think about it - it constricts blood vessels, which makes it hard to stay, uh, hard). So first, I would just hang out naked. Make out, lie on/next to each other, fondle each other, get used to your bodies being together.

    -It sounds like you haven't done much fingering/hands stimulation or oral, which again, you should do. Get her off with your fingers; have her give you a handjob. Get her off with your mouth; have her go down on you. Be sexual without trying to have vaginal intercourse; this is the quickest and best way to get try to get over anxieties and really get used to being sexual with this person. Over time, as you get more comfortable, you'll have an easier time of things.

    -Try doing things that aren't sex while wearing a condom. Masturbate, have her give you a handjob, stimulate yourself (to orgasm!) while wearing a condom so that your dick gets used to what stimulation with a condom feels like.

    Basically, do everything with each other's bodies that isn't vaginal intercourse, until you feel comfortable and confident, and then try penetration. It will take some more time, and hard work and patience on both of your parts, but eventually you'll get there.

    (and, if even after all that, you still have issues, consider a cock ring - slide them on when you're erect and it will help you stay hard)

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    EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    Two quick points:
    1. You say "the clothes come off and I go soft." So don't take your clothes off. Just undo your pants and shift around a bit, same for her. Might work out, and some people find it a little kinky, too.
    2. Can you put a condom on when you're alone w/o going soft? If not, try putting it on part way and then work to get your erection back, then put it on more, and so on. You need to be comfortable with the idea of having a condom on while feeling good, and it sounds like you're combining a lot of things that's causing you to lose your erection. You're not used to wearing condoms, you've not had sex, and you're nervous as shit. It's not at all surprising that you have these problems, and many men have similar problems when having sex with a woman for the first time.

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    SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    EggyToast wrote: »
    2. Can you put a condom on when you're alone w/o going soft? If not, try putting it on part way and then work to get your erection back, then put it on more, and so on. You need to be comfortable with the idea of having a condom on while feeling good, and it sounds like you're combining a lot of things that's causing you to lose your erection. You're not used to wearing condoms, you've not had sex, and you're nervous as shit. It's not at all surprising that you have these problems, and many men have similar problems when having sex with a woman for the first time.

    Trying a "dry run" with the condom is always good advice. Speaking from personal experience, when I first started having sex, I'd deflate practically at the sight of the condom because I'd had difficulty maintaining a proper erection after putting it on the first couple of times, and then I was subsequently so nervous about putting on the condom in the future that I probably couldn't have shriveled up faster if I'd dunked my nuts in a glass of ice water.

    Buy yourself a six pack and a bottle of the latex-safe lubricant of your choice and try incorporating one into your masturbation. Think of it like training.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WYlRcuLpR4


    The condom holds no fear.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Oh, lube! I forgot to mention - you should use some water-based lube on yourself *before* putting the condom on. It stops the condom from bunching up (without stopping it from working, because the elastic bottom still clamps), which not only makes it feel better but also helps prevent it from breaking.

    Yes, I know this sounds incredibly counter-intuitive. But they work better with a small amount of lube on the inside as well as the inside. Reduces stress on the latex.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    Oh, lube! I forgot to mention - you should use some water-based lube on yourself *before* putting the condom on. It stops the condom from bunching up (without stopping it from working, because the elastic bottom still clamps), which not only makes it feel better but also helps prevent it from breaking.

    Yes, I know this sounds incredibly counter-intuitive. But they work better with a small amount of lube on the inside as well as the inside. Reduces stress on the latex.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    Yes. That emphasis is very, very important.

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    SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    P.S. if you think about Dakota Fanning every time you use a condom from now on dude I am so sorry.

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    DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    I normally don't contribute to these kinds of threads, but if you can get hard, and the issue is losing stiffness during some transient event like putting on a raincoat, well here goes. This isn't about whacking, or porn, or head issues w/r/to sex; it's only about your body as a hydraulic machine.

    Explicit
    The penis has a dorsal efferent vein (runs on top lengthwise, google it if you're having problems visualizing): efferent meaning blood returns to body from organ/extremity. If you pinch/constrict this vein while erect, then bloodflow returning from your penis to your body is impinged (this is mainly how a cock ring works). Now you still need the impetus to be erect, so do a kegel (more google) flex. Hold the kegel and keep the vein pinched and you can stay hard indefinitely (or at least until it's medically contra-indicated).

    So things get hot and heavy, use a thumb to press down across this vein (base of your penis, where it meets your body), do a kegel. Then get the rubber on (or have her do so). If you feel like it keep pressing down and hold the kegel (or do kegels) as you insert yourself, and if you like keep doing so while fucking until you feel you don't need to.

    Maybe practice this with a rubber on your own.

    Also, do kegels. Harder erections and more intense orgasms, what's the downside?

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    Second on kegels. They are incredibly useful for both genders. Having strong pelvic muscles is only a good thing.

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    supabeastsupabeast Registered User regular
    You like porn. It makes you orgasm. So watch porn with your girlfriend. Just make sure it’s not one of those “2 Girls 1 Cup Full of Degrading Bukkake Anal Gangbang” movies—the ladies are usually pretty turned off by those.

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    DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    If you guys are comfortable with it try getting BC pills. Since the stress really kicks in when the condom comes out skip the part! Once you get things working a few times you will probably be better because the stress will subside. Seriously though, go visit a doctor together get tested and get that BC pill!

    Also it's almost certainly not ED because you said you can get an erection without problem. This is all a matter of your brain.

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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    I have found that occasionally I'll go soft when I put on a condom, but what I've found helps is physical stimulation while I'm fiddling with the packaging and essentially up to putting it on. Have her work on your unit (even with her hand) while you are getting the condom ready so it's roll on and go.

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    GafotoGafoto Registered User regular
    I have always found it to be easier to work with a condom after some foreplay. Make out, get naked, make out some more, go down on her, 69, whatever. Often times my girlfriend and I would have unprotected sex for a very short bit and then I would put the condom on to finish. Obviously this would only be ok if you're not worried about diseases.

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    InkSplatInkSplat 100%ed Bad Rats. Registered User regular
    The fact that it hadn't even occurred to you to go down on her before worrying about sex makes me wonder..what are you guys doing before/after? Is there no foreplay once the clothes come off? Do you just immediately stop what you're doing when things fail a bit?

    Performing oral is pretty effective when it comes to regaining an erection, at least in my experience. And while foreplay while clothed is great, you're missing an awful lot if you're not continuing it once the clothes hit the floor.

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    kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    @Esh, thanks, I already wen't through that thread and it was part of my motivation for dealing with my own problem. Did find some relevant advice though.

    @Essee that could work, her getting BC, but we're both hesitant because the issue is really with me. Having her do this may not necessarily fix the real issue.

    @Inx, I guess never considered doing her first, then me. I'll try that.

    @bowen, that's basically what I've been trying to do, but I guess I should just practice some with putting it on. And it was never like I was fidgeting for minutes it just... I don't know. Deflates.

    @kaliyama, I don't know, I just feel like it would come up on a statement or something. I'm not exactly sure how it would go. I'll investigate the school clinic though.

    Thanks guys. Talking about it helps.

    No, the bill should go only to you. I know this kind of thing is embarrassing but your sexual health + happiness is way more important. Are your parents going to send you to a convent? I'd certainly hope not. If they're really hardcore fundamentalists or anti-sex I see your point, but your school clinic should be well-equipped to deal with these kind of patient privacy issues.

    Also, I don't work well with condoms at all either. That means two things - first I might gamely try it at first, but it's just as likely I wait to get tested with somebody before having sex. Second, if somebody isn't willing to take birth control I can't be intimate with them. Not that I recommend pushing the issue if your partner doesn't want to as the burden is borne by her - differing forms of birth control can wreak hormonal havoc especially if the person is overweight or prone to depression, but them's the breaks until male bc gets FDA approval.

    All the advice about oral is good, too. If you know you can bring her to climax w/o maintaining an erection the whole maintaining your boner thing is much lower-pressure.

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    DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    The EOB (explanation of benefits) is going to go to the address of the policy-holder; so if your parents check these things they are going to see that you went to a urologist (or whatever). Just FYI if you're trying to be discreet. If you think this is ED you should see a pro. Though it's unlikely this is physical ED if you can bring yourself to climax, rather something going on in your head (e.g. performance anxiety). *Edit: I am not a doctor.

    If you do this outside of insurance then you'll be the only one getting any type of documentation.

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    OpposingFarceOpposingFarce Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Wow, got way more replies than I ever thought, and you've all been very helpful!

    To clarify, I always go down on her before the condom gets involved, it helps me get ready. Also I finger her to orgasm a lot which helps with the frustration - she always walks away satisfied. But of course it has to be the real thing sometimes, this can't do forever. I forgot to mention we do all this, so we aren't lacking in the foreplay. If anything she said it might be too long.

    Last night she came to visit. We had some alone time and it was very good. As we were fooling around she kind of pushed me inside her without a condom on (heat of the moment sort of thing), and it worked and felt good* but I withdrew very quickly after because she isn't on BC and that's playing with fire. *This is good because it means my member has acclimated to other things than the masturbation death-grip, as it was refereed to in another thread. Not that I have a tight grip to begin with. Last night also featured lots of just lying around naked together on the couch watching TV in-between bouts of making out and pleasuring each other.

    So last night was a success in that everyone was very happy last night, but still haven't hit the goal of actual sex. I went into it with the mindset I wasn't even going to try to put on a condom, and it just let me enjoy the moments we had. My condom supply is low, but I'm going to go purchase some more to do what has been suggested, try dry runs. It also taught me that sex would work if she were on BC most likely. We'll have to talk about that, she brought it up before but both of us thought it would be ignoring a deeper issue, but maybe that's what it takes, like kaliyama said.
    SammyF wrote: »
    P.S. if you think about Dakota Fanning every time you use a condom from now on dude I am so sorry.
    "Why don't you have a seat over there..."

    3clipse, that's a good idea with the lube, we thought of that last night too when we were talking about it.

    And I'll have to investigate the kegal exercises.

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    EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    What brand/type of condom are you using, by the way? The typical trojan/durex condoms make me feel like I'd have more fun wearing a rubber glove, but if you shop around a bit you can find there's a wide variety of "super thin" condoms that are just as strong/durable as the really thick guys. I'm not really sure why they still make thick condoms, personally, considering you can't feel as much, but whatever.

    Beyond Seven condoms are a popular choice, but I think you may want to look into the Lifestyles "Skyn" brand, which don't use latex but instead use polyisoprene. According to the Amazon reviews, people report that they have better heat transfer and feel much better than latex. It won't keep you erect, but it will help things feel better when you get going.

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    InkSplatInkSplat 100%ed Bad Rats. Registered User regular
    +1 for Beyond Seven.

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    InxInx Registered User regular
    @EggyToast they probably make the thick ones for dudes who are oversensitive and bust earlier than they'd like. Or dudes who hate their penis.

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    JeedanJeedan Registered User regular
    It's kind of difficult to orgasm without my girlfriend or porn, which is very concerning.

    A few people have said its not porn, but I'm gonna say that if you can't reach orgasm without some kind of external stimulus, it probably is.

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    InkSplatInkSplat 100%ed Bad Rats. Registered User regular
    Jeedan wrote: »
    It's kind of difficult to orgasm without my girlfriend or porn, which is very concerning.

    A few people have said its not porn, but I'm gonna say that if you can't reach orgasm without some kind of external stimulus, it probably is.

    If it was the porn, then he wouldn't be able to orgasm even with his girlfriend. A huge part of orgasm is mental--just because he can't get off imagining something doesn't mean there's anything wrong. It all depends on the frame of mind. Hell, even just the position you're in can majorly effect things.

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    OpposingFarceOpposingFarce Registered User regular
    Yeah, I don't think that's it, I've cut myself off completely now.

    And I've never even heard of Beyond Seven, or the Lifestyle brand. Definitely interesting, I'll have to look for those!

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    tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    1. You have fooled around (no sex) naked, yes? And you don't have any problems?
    2. Have you tried having her put the condom on you?

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    Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    Her putting it on while sucking your...testes might help. It seems the irritating act of putting it on seems to be the issue. Her doing it while providing stimulation might remedy the issue.

    If she is willing to do that, You should groom those, out of courtesy. In my opinion, anyway.

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