Elves are basically descendants of the original deific beings that were trapped on Nirn when it was separated from Oblivion. Some elves believe that mortality is basically a corruption of the original divinity, and so they try to undo what Lorkhan and the Aedra did in creating Mundus.
By contrast, humans were created on Nirn, essentially from the shattered divinity of Lorkhan himself, and the human religions generally believe that mortality is a trial through which an even higher divinity can be reached(which was possibly the ultimate goal of Lorkhan in the first place).
An interesting effect of the empire under Septim rule is that the dissemination of ideas combined with the empire's generally inclusive attitude fostered a major change among the Altmer. Where before the Thalmor were completely in control of Altmer culture, by the time of Uriel VIII, they'd become a minority, bordering on apparent nonexistance. Of course they came back in force immediately after the Oblivion crisis, suggesting a foreknowledge of, or perhaps even a hand in, Dagoth Ur's invasion.
course one of the reasons the invasion could happen in the first place is because the events of the previous games kept inadvertently deactivating towers, weakening the separation between mundus and oblivion
I'm guessing this invigorated the thalmor, who thought if these assholes could weaken the barrier on accident think of what we can do on purpose
how convenient that the leader of the mythic dawn was a high elf who slandered lorkhan and wanted to join tamriel and oblivion
Ulfric's corpse won't go away and I couldn't ressurect him so I draped him and bear-man over the two fire things that sit on either side of the throne
I stripped them naked and positioned them 69'ing on the war room table.
wait
hold the phone
you can move bodies?
this changes everything
what's the default button for that on PC?
Same as for any item. Hold in your select/open button and it will pick the item up. Usually first person view is the easiest to maneuver around an object. Sometimes kneeling helps too if you're trying to fine tune a placement.
For bodies, I recommend grabbing the corpse while standing over it and looking down, then move your sight line up like you're looking straight ahead. The body should pick up off the ground by a leg or arm (something like that) and the rest will dangle and drag across the floor.
Getting them up on a table may take some practice, but it's doable. Positioning Ulfric and his Bear-Skin wearing body guard doing 69 on the war table is priceless.
Can you waste Ulfric before the peace council thing?
What happens then?
No, Ulfric is considered essential until the conclusion of the civil war if you choose to back the empire. You can attack him and ''kill him'', but he'll only go down on one knee and then get back up with full health.
On a side note, if you kill Ulfric and finish the civil war before going to Sovrengard to finish off Alduin, you can run into the spirit of Ulfric on the way to Shor's Hall. You can beat the shit out of ghost-Ulfric over and over without drawing attention from any other spirit.
Just a fun thing to do if you hate Ulfric as much as I do. Even when I'm playing my Nord warrior. Fuck the Stormcloaks.
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I'm having to do some real double-thinking to side with the stormcloaks on the character I'm getting ready for Dragonborn. Basically having to pretend he's gone off the rails a bit (which means it's also a good time to do the dark brotherhood questline).
Only mildly convincing reason I've seen in-game to back Ulfric is from Degaine (the guy who becomes Jarl of Falkreath if it goes stormcloak). He doesn't trust Ulfric as far as he can throw him, but his responsibility is to the people so it's better to deal with Ulfric than some faraway emperor who doesn't give a damn about them.
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I feel like the guy whose job it is to carefully place food and plates and cups on tables must have cried when they told him the very first dragon shout is "knock over and scatter shit everywhere"
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I really, really wish there was some way to conclude the Civil War questline that leaves Skyrim free of the Empire without also putting Ulfric in charge
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I really, really wish there was some way to conclude the Civil War questline that leaves Skyrim free of the Empire without also putting Ulfric in charge
If they made it like New Vegas where you could just do it all yourself that'd be awesome.
But then there we would be absolutely no reason to do it any other way.
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The civil war story would have been cooler if it had really changed anything
But the only visible difference is the leaders of whatever side you didn't chose end up being forced to hang out in one castle right?
I honestly would have never bothered to finish the quest if I could have done the story without it
That and the Blades giving me shit about parthuunax were the most disappointing things
Where are you guys getting this info about the towers? I read that Love Letter from the Fifth Era, but I must have missed the mention of towers. Is there any in game reference to it?
EDIT:So I read through it and I remember reading it before. I thought the prophesy of the dragonborn mentioned in the book was pretty straightforward. It alludes to events in previous elder scroll games that lead up to the events that occurred in Skyrim. I still don't see where the idea that these "towers" are holding the world together comes from. Also, the only towers that I've seen mentioned are the White-Gold Tower, the Adamantine Tower, the Throat of the World and Red Mountain. Where is the idea that every province has a tower coming from and is there any mention of what they are?
I do see how you could deduce what the Thalmor are up to based on the above information, but is there any mention of why they would be trying to end the world.
Sorry for the ton of questions but I am very interested in the lore of the games, though I don't exactly keep up with the more hidden elements.
The civil war story would have been cooler if it had really changed anything
But the only visible difference is the leaders of whatever side you didn't chose end up being forced to hang out in one castle right?
I honestly would have never bothered to finish the quest if I could have done the story without it
That and the Blades giving me shit about parthuunax were the most disappointing things
you can do the story without it
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Yeah you're right I guess you can stop at just negotiating a cease-fire while you deal with world ending stuff but at that point it is probably just as fast to end the war
i only ever do the civil war long enough to steal the jagged crown
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Really?
Well I guess I remember it wrong, though I suppose the peace accord so you can fuck up a dragon is part of the main story and not the actual civil war quest line
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Markarth totally has the coolest architecture, and is the city in which you can have the most fun doing battle with the town guard
I always get to that point in the Forsworn Conspiracy and get in as long and protracted a battle as I can until I make my escape and flee the city
it would be a fun town to siege in the civil war, if it weren't for the fact that spawning barricades and fire and soldiers in Markarth would bring the xbox to its knees
I killed a beggar king in Markarth prison and the local ruling family thought that was swell and became my friends. This suited my power hungry Breton, who may or may not be the reincarnation of Tiber Septim.
During The Forsworn Conspiracy, in that section where you're going all over Markarth "investigating" I just put on the Nightingale Armor (because it's like being Skyrim Batman) and walk around punching everyone and yelling WHERE ARE THEY
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course one of the reasons the invasion could happen in the first place is because the events of the previous games kept inadvertently deactivating towers, weakening the separation between mundus and oblivion
I'm guessing this invigorated the thalmor, who thought if these assholes could weaken the barrier on accident think of what we can do on purpose
how convenient that the leader of the mythic dawn was a high elf who slandered lorkhan and wanted to join tamriel and oblivion
I like the more metropolitan cities
Solitude and Riften are my favorites
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I stripped them naked and positioned them 69'ing on the war room table.
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wait
hold the phone
you can move bodies?
this changes everything
what's the default button for that on PC?
Same as for any item. Hold in your select/open button and it will pick the item up. Usually first person view is the easiest to maneuver around an object. Sometimes kneeling helps too if you're trying to fine tune a placement.
For bodies, I recommend grabbing the corpse while standing over it and looking down, then move your sight line up like you're looking straight ahead. The body should pick up off the ground by a leg or arm (something like that) and the rest will dangle and drag across the floor.
Getting them up on a table may take some practice, but it's doable. Positioning Ulfric and his Bear-Skin wearing body guard doing 69 on the war table is priceless.
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this gave an entirely different result
screaming at a corpse in an ancient, eldritch tongue of power is also hilarious, but for entirely different reasons
What happens then?
No, Ulfric is considered essential until the conclusion of the civil war if you choose to back the empire. You can attack him and ''kill him'', but he'll only go down on one knee and then get back up with full health.
On a side note, if you kill Ulfric and finish the civil war before going to Sovrengard to finish off Alduin, you can run into the spirit of Ulfric on the way to Shor's Hall. You can beat the shit out of ghost-Ulfric over and over without drawing attention from any other spirit.
Just a fun thing to do if you hate Ulfric as much as I do. Even when I'm playing my Nord warrior. Fuck the Stormcloaks.
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Only mildly convincing reason I've seen in-game to back Ulfric is from Degaine (the guy who becomes Jarl of Falkreath if it goes stormcloak). He doesn't trust Ulfric as far as he can throw him, but his responsibility is to the people so it's better to deal with Ulfric than some faraway emperor who doesn't give a damn about them.
If they made it like New Vegas where you could just do it all yourself that'd be awesome.
But then there we would be absolutely no reason to do it any other way.
But the only visible difference is the leaders of whatever side you didn't chose end up being forced to hang out in one castle right?
I honestly would have never bothered to finish the quest if I could have done the story without it
That and the Blades giving me shit about parthuunax were the most disappointing things
shoulda listened to delphine!
Cool, thanks!
you can do the story without it
Well I guess I remember it wrong, though I suppose the peace accord so you can fuck up a dragon is part of the main story and not the actual civil war quest line
I had won the war long before I hit that point in the main quest
Markarth totally has the coolest architecture, and is the city in which you can have the most fun doing battle with the town guard
I always get to that point in the Forsworn Conspiracy and get in as long and protracted a battle as I can until I make my escape and flee the city
it would be a fun town to siege in the civil war, if it weren't for the fact that spawning barricades and fire and soldiers in Markarth would bring the xbox to its knees
the Markarth house is okay, but did anybody else wish they were getting the tower in the center of town?
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it has my favorite blacksmith working there!
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Fun town. Good people.
sometimes everyone quietly disappears in the night
sometimes the dragonborn stands atop the highest building in the town and calls down a storm that cleanses the town with lightning
sometimes a werewolf eats everyone
WHRRRRAARRRRRTHEEEEEEEEEEY
I don't want to accidentally wipe out a farm or, like, Falkreath or something
SWWWEAAAAAAAR TOOOOOOOOOOO MEEEEEEEEE!
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