Well... in terms of how it's coming to be yeah maybe, but in terms of function not even close.
Essentially the Ouya is going to make mobile app games playable on your TV. Ta-da, that's it. I guess.
Remember when Nintendo released that GCN add-on to play GameBoy games on the TV?
Yeah, I guess.
We bought that and used the shit out of it, man. In fact I know plenty of people who had it if they had the Gamecube.
The lesser known product comparison would be the GCN internet attachment, but I guess that doesn't convert games to play. But in terms of "who knows about it / can even find one" the comparison fits.
It doesn't even really turn mobile games into TV games. All the games would have be ported to it. Remember, it doesnt have a touchscreen.
a fair number of android games already have the controls built in, it's part of the default sdk. But yes it won't be able to run a large number of games.
So what are they if the planets align and they actually release? The next Jaguar? 3DO?
The Jaguar's failing wasn't market exposure or library. It was faulty hardware and a huge sale price. The 3DO I'm no expert on though. I thiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnk it was sale price?
Well... in terms of how it's coming to be yeah maybe, but in terms of function not even close.
Essentially the Ouya is going to make mobile app games playable on your TV. Ta-da, that's it. I guess.
Remember when Nintendo released that GCN add-on to play GameBoy games on the TV?
Yeah, I guess.
We bought that and used the shit out of it, man. In fact I know plenty of people who had it if they had the Gamecube.
The lesser known product comparison would be the GCN internet attachment, but I guess that doesn't convert games to play. But in terms of "who knows about it / can even find one" the comparison fits.
Beyond your circle of knowledge, though, I don't think it did all that well. The point is really that anything that somehow adapts handheld games (of whatever sort) to play on the TV has an extremely limited market.
And this will struggle enough as it is since it apparently doesn't play the games natively. I just don't see an especially wide audience for a device that plays games that need to be re-purchased instead of just using their phone or tablet or whatever.
Jaguar was $250 at launch, so not that bad. I think it was just really hard to program for, and was lacking in 3d power.
But the 3DO was $599, and that's in 1993. adjusted for inflation that would be $950
Linux users seem to thrive on turning everything into a Linux machine.
Addicts do that.
I once saw someone smoke Linux out of an apple.
It's a strange thing with Kickstarters (thus far) that all the hype exists in an around the fundraising stage. I'm curious to see if any of these projects manage to recapture the fire upon release rather than simply shooting out a lifeless project to their backers. It's not a terrible thing if that happens with a game or something, but it'd be death for a piece of hardware.
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Jaguar was $250 at launch, so not that bad. I think it was just really hard to program for, and was lacking in 3d power.
But the 3DO was $599, and that's in 1993. adjusted for inflation that would be $950
Oh I thought that price issue was the other way around. Someone posted like in the last month or so in the industry thread a chart of the adjusted cost of console prices to today and yeah, the 3DO (I thought it was the Jaguar) was goddamn astronomical.
But still, the point that they weren't lacking in exposure stands. Jaguars and 3DOs were prominently displayed just like any other consoles were at my local Blockbusters and Videots.
For maybe a month or two, sure. TG 16 is probably the longest lasting of the also rans in the rental space but even then they died off rather quickly.
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Oh, another thing: Publication exposure. I know that at least GamePro gave time to all those (including the TG-16, how'd I forget that?) (the question is the answer). Do things like the Phantom and Ouya get exposure in print anywhere?
How is the Ouya gonna make money? Everything on it is free, right?
So their entire profit is on the consoles?
Yeah. But again, when last I checked (which is admittedly when this all got announced) they had nobody committed to helping them really. It was all tentative.
But hey, maybe we're going to be wrong. Like I said, their devkits and SDK are going out on the 28th to somebody somewhere, at least. I wonder how much they're charging for that much. I figure developers are going to just toy around making some BS waiting to see if the trigger is pulled by consumers to show this is worthwhile.
How is the Ouya gonna make money? Everything on it is free, right?
So their entire profit is on the consoles?
The hardware will be sold at a proft. And the all games are free thing just means that everything needs a free demo at the least, or ad supported version. So it will make money like any other android device.
The requirement is that all apps on the Ouya have free trials. Whether that's an "purchase full game" thing or microtransactions would be up to the developer.
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The requirement is that all apps on the Ouya have free trials. Whether that's an "purchase full game" thing or microtransactions would be up to the developer.
Which is how mobile apps run in the first place right?
I thought Dark Raven X was asking if everything is "free" in the sense that you already own it from the app store. Which begs the question - if you do already own something that's getting an Ouya version, do you get it for free, complimentary?
The requirement is that all apps on the Ouya have free trials. Whether that's an "purchase full game" thing or microtransactions would be up to the developer.
Which is how mobile apps run in the first place right?
I thought Dark Raven X was asking if everything is "free" in the sense that you already own it from the app store. Which begs the question - if you do already own something that's getting an Ouya version, do you get it for free, complimentary?
Doubt it. Do you get the PS3 version of a 360 game for free?
The requirement is that all apps on the Ouya have free trials. Whether that's an "purchase full game" thing or microtransactions would be up to the developer.
Which is how mobile apps run in the first place right?
I thought Dark Raven X was asking if everything is "free" in the sense that you already own it from the app store. Which begs the question - if you do already own something that's getting an Ouya version, do you get it for free, complimentary?
Doubt it. Do you get the PS3 version of a 360 game for free?
If the market on it is just the google play store, then you should just be able to download apps you already bought.
The requirement is that all apps on the Ouya have free trials. Whether that's an "purchase full game" thing or microtransactions would be up to the developer.
Which is how mobile apps run in the first place right?
I thought Dark Raven X was asking if everything is "free" in the sense that you already own it from the app store. Which begs the question - if you do already own something that's getting an Ouya version, do you get it for free, complimentary?
Doubt it. Do you get the PS3 version of a 360 game for free?
Well indies often give steam versions free if you've bought it before they were on steam
The requirement is that all apps on the Ouya have free trials. Whether that's an "purchase full game" thing or microtransactions would be up to the developer.
Which is how mobile apps run in the first place right?
I thought Dark Raven X was asking if everything is "free" in the sense that you already own it from the app store. Which begs the question - if you do already own something that's getting an Ouya version, do you get it for free, complimentary?
Depends on the platform. On Android/iOS, there are paid-only apps that do not include any sort of trial. On Windows Phone, everything requires a free trial.
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A closer comparison would be getting a PS3 game and getting the Vita version for free. So, sometimes?
The requirement is that all apps on the Ouya have free trials. Whether that's an "purchase full game" thing or microtransactions would be up to the developer.
Which is how mobile apps run in the first place right?
I thought Dark Raven X was asking if everything is "free" in the sense that you already own it from the app store. Which begs the question - if you do already own something that's getting an Ouya version, do you get it for free, complimentary?
Doubt it. Do you get the PS3 version of a 360 game for free?
I would think a more appropriate analogy would be buying a game on Steam, downloading + playing on one computer, and then going to another computer and doing the same. Provided you log on.
I remember someone yelled at me when I made fun of the ouija on facebook.
Because "It wil be a hackable console"
I mean, that would be amazing if the Altair 800 and the Apple ][e and the IBM-PC and DOS and Windows and all that never happened.
but we do have pcs
so what the fuck
Long story short: Team was remaking M.U.L.E., got onto Kickstarter, and made like 1/5th of the amount of money they wanted (100,000 out of $500,000).
So they came back with a new Kickstarter and asked for a smaller price for a smaller game and put all the extra crap as stretch goals. Additionally, they had a pair of outside investers who, if they met the initial goal, would DOUBLE the money put into game, but only if the project was funded to begin with. Their goal was $50,000; Their final total was $49,972
$28 fuckin' bucks. They missed it by $28 bucks.
Worst part is is that an $800 donation came in in the last 15 seconds, so it wasn't a case of it sitting at nearly done for 5-10 minutes. Hell, I imagine the developers would have just put in that last $28 just to get the all the money. They essentially lost out on 100,000 dollars of funding because they came up short by $28 bucks. Heartbreaking.
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The requirement is that all apps on the Ouya have free trials. Whether that's an "purchase full game" thing or microtransactions would be up to the developer.
Which is how mobile apps run in the first place right?
I thought Dark Raven X was asking if everything is "free" in the sense that you already own it from the app store. Which begs the question - if you do already own something that's getting an Ouya version, do you get it for free, complimentary?
Doubt it. Do you get the PS3 version of a 360 game for free?
If the market on it is just the google play store, then you should just be able to download apps you already bought.
It's not. It's going to run on it's own store, I believe.
The requirement is that all apps on the Ouya have free trials. Whether that's an "purchase full game" thing or microtransactions would be up to the developer.
Which is how mobile apps run in the first place right?
I thought Dark Raven X was asking if everything is "free" in the sense that you already own it from the app store. Which begs the question - if you do already own something that's getting an Ouya version, do you get it for free, complimentary?
Doubt it. Do you get the PS3 version of a 360 game for free?
I would think a more appropriate analogy would be buying a game on Steam, downloading + playing on one computer, and then going to another computer and doing the same. Provided you log on.
If that's how it will work. I don't know. Maybe it will. Sometimes our eyes are bigger than our stomachs.
Ouya was just a cash-in. Unlike Phantom, they will deliver on the product, but it looks pretty fucking shoddy and I doubt it will have any kind of long-term official support. I am guessing they are trying to cut corners as much as possible in order to maximize what they take away from this.
Okay, here's the thing about electronics hardware.
You can make it small.
You can make it cheap.
You can make it pretty powerful.
You can make it efficient.
You can make it easy to program for.
But you cannot, generally, do all of them. The Ouya has a shot at hitting "Easy to program for", but anything else is a crapshoot.
But there not even really designing the hardware, it will be a tegra3 based cellphone minus all the cellular and screen bits in a small plastic box. The only real work is on the controller and whatever custom frotnend they put on android.. But as raz said it wont matter much as no one will care about it 6 months after launch. And if it does somehow become popular then we can expect a ton of other compaies to copy the idea and release their own box.
I figure there taking so long to release it so that chip prices drop, and they can maximize profits.
My ballpark guess is that if this thing achieves any amount of foothold in the general populous, it'll be for being a box to store and play movies/porn/SNES roms on the teevee.
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
Nintendo’s Wii U console sold around 40,000 units in its first 48 hours on sale in the UK, MCV understands.
Retail sources suggest that effectively amounts to a complete sellout on the UK High Street. Stock is continuing to filter through to retail at a trickle but abundant supplies are not expected until the New Year.
Undoubtedly sales could have been considerably higher had stocks have been more plentiful.
Furthermore, MCV understands that the console has enjoyed a software attach rate in excess of 2:1.
The figures were arrived at through a combination of feedback from retailers and software sales data passed on by trade sources. Using this MCV was able to extrapolate estimated sales based on the previously confirmed Wii U bundle market shares.
UPDATE: These numbers exclude digital software sales from Nintendo's eShop.
Also, I think people are incapable of any goddamn nuance and factoring in known unkowns when it comes to consoles thanks to Neogaf. the closest comparisons, the 360 and Wii, sold about 70k and 105k. Like most launch comparisons, any comparison will be fucked up due to the whole supply issue. The rumors had the very initial launch supply at around 25k with frequent shipments so the number of Wii Us that were out there probably wasn't that much higher than 40k with whether there was a sell out varying from area to area. But we don't actually know that for sure so the supply could have been anywhere from 40k to one hojillion. http://www.computerandvideogames.com/374838/nintendo-admits-tight-wii-u-stock-as-uk-retail-fears-shortage/
Activision’s Call of Duty: Black Ops II has claimed its third successive No.1 this week.
It was no doubt helped by the release of the Wii U version, although sales were still down 35 per cent week-on-week.
Critical darling Far Cry 3 has to settle for second place in its debut week in the UKIE GfK Chart-Track All Formats Top 40 as a result, although it’s still the ninth biggest launch of the year falling just short of the numbers enjoyed by Square Enix’s Hitman: Absolution.
FIFA 13 remains at No.3 but perhaps it’s most notable achievement is the game’s release on Wii U, meaning that it’s now available on nine different platforms. It’s the first time that has happened since FIFA International Soccer in 1993-94.
The highest Wii U-exclusive entry misses out on a Top Ten debut, with the bundled Nintendo Land claiming 11th in its first week. New Super Mario Bros U debuts in 13th with Ubisoft’s ZombiU entering the listings in 17th.
In all, there were five Wii U SKU’s of titles in the Top Ten and ten Wii U versions of titles within the Top 40.
Nintendo’s high-end Premium Wii U SKU was by far the most attractive to UK buyers over the console’s launch weekend.
That’s according to data from GfK Chart-Track, which says that the £300 bundle won around a 60 per cent share of the console’s launch weekend sales.
The ZombiU bundle accounted for 30 per cent, leaving Nintendo’s entry-level 8GB Basic pack grabbing just 10 per cent.
The machine was helped by a 24-strong launch software line-up what Chart-Track describes as “more than any other home console ever launched in the UK”. Wii launched with just 14 games, for instance.
The highest Wii U entry in the software charts was bundled game Nintendo Land, although it failed to break into the Top Ten, debuting at No.11. Fellow first party release New Super Mario Bros U entered the listings in 13th with Ubisoft claiming the highest charting third party title – ZombiU in 17th.
I've been informally checking around while doing Christmas shopping and the Wii U has been sold out at most of the places I've checked.
I'm not sure how to do ebay sell price charts (and if anyone can show me how, I'd be grateful), but the deluxe version of the Wii U appears to be generating bids of up to $400, though happily most of the listings with insane prices don't seem to be budging.
I've been informally checking around while doing Christmas shopping and the Wii U has been sold out at most of the places I've checked.
I'm not sure how to do ebay sell price charts (and if anyone can show me how, I'd be grateful), but the deluxe version of the Wii U appears to be generating bids of up to $400, though happily most of the listings with insane prices don't seem to be budging.
Guy on GAF runs this site, it's all the info you want on every videogame thing
edit: The graph might be down now, I don't know but it worked last week. He keeps tabs on all closed auctions at eBay both used and new for consoles and games, etc.
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We bought that and used the shit out of it, man. In fact I know plenty of people who had it if they had the Gamecube.
The lesser known product comparison would be the GCN internet attachment, but I guess that doesn't convert games to play. But in terms of "who knows about it / can even find one" the comparison fits.
a fair number of android games already have the controls built in, it's part of the default sdk. But yes it won't be able to run a large number of games.
The Jaguar's failing wasn't market exposure or library. It was faulty hardware and a huge sale price. The 3DO I'm no expert on though. I thiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnk it was sale price?
Either way the comparisons don't fit.
Beyond your circle of knowledge, though, I don't think it did all that well. The point is really that anything that somehow adapts handheld games (of whatever sort) to play on the TV has an extremely limited market.
And this will struggle enough as it is since it apparently doesn't play the games natively. I just don't see an especially wide audience for a device that plays games that need to be re-purchased instead of just using their phone or tablet or whatever.
But the 3DO was $599, and that's in 1993. adjusted for inflation that would be $950
I once saw someone smoke Linux out of an apple.
It's a strange thing with Kickstarters (thus far) that all the hype exists in an around the fundraising stage. I'm curious to see if any of these projects manage to recapture the fire upon release rather than simply shooting out a lifeless project to their backers. It's not a terrible thing if that happens with a game or something, but it'd be death for a piece of hardware.
Oh I thought that price issue was the other way around. Someone posted like in the last month or so in the industry thread a chart of the adjusted cost of console prices to today and yeah, the 3DO (I thought it was the Jaguar) was goddamn astronomical.
But still, the point that they weren't lacking in exposure stands. Jaguars and 3DOs were prominently displayed just like any other consoles were at my local Blockbusters and Videots.
So their entire profit is on the consoles?
Yeah. But again, when last I checked (which is admittedly when this all got announced) they had nobody committed to helping them really. It was all tentative.
But hey, maybe we're going to be wrong. Like I said, their devkits and SDK are going out on the 28th to somebody somewhere, at least. I wonder how much they're charging for that much. I figure developers are going to just toy around making some BS waiting to see if the trigger is pulled by consumers to show this is worthwhile.
The hardware will be sold at a proft. And the all games are free thing just means that everything needs a free demo at the least, or ad supported version. So it will make money like any other android device.
Which is how mobile apps run in the first place right?
I thought Dark Raven X was asking if everything is "free" in the sense that you already own it from the app store. Which begs the question - if you do already own something that's getting an Ouya version, do you get it for free, complimentary?
Doubt it. Do you get the PS3 version of a 360 game for free?
If the market on it is just the google play store, then you should just be able to download apps you already bought.
Well indies often give steam versions free if you've bought it before they were on steam
Depends on the platform. On Android/iOS, there are paid-only apps that do not include any sort of trial. On Windows Phone, everything requires a free trial.
The closest comparison is if you buy an app on your phone, do you also get it on your tablet.
So it all depends on if the ouya uses the google play store, or something custom.
I would think a more appropriate analogy would be buying a game on Steam, downloading + playing on one computer, and then going to another computer and doing the same. Provided you log on.
Because "It wil be a hackable console"
I mean, that would be amazing if the Altair 800 and the Apple ][e and the IBM-PC and DOS and Windows and all that never happened.
but we do have pcs
so what the fuck
Long story short: Team was remaking M.U.L.E., got onto Kickstarter, and made like 1/5th of the amount of money they wanted (100,000 out of $500,000).
So they came back with a new Kickstarter and asked for a smaller price for a smaller game and put all the extra crap as stretch goals. Additionally, they had a pair of outside investers who, if they met the initial goal, would DOUBLE the money put into game, but only if the project was funded to begin with. Their goal was $50,000; Their final total was $49,972
$28 fuckin' bucks. They missed it by $28 bucks.
Worst part is is that an $800 donation came in in the last 15 seconds, so it wasn't a case of it sitting at nearly done for 5-10 minutes. Hell, I imagine the developers would have just put in that last $28 just to get the all the money. They essentially lost out on 100,000 dollars of funding because they came up short by $28 bucks. Heartbreaking.
It's not. It's going to run on it's own store, I believe.
http://liliputing.com/2012/06/pocket-tv-usb-stick-turns-a-tv-into-an-android-powered-pc.html
Just specs?
better specs and a controller. Plus maybe some exclusive games.
If that's how it will work. I don't know. Maybe it will. Sometimes our eyes are bigger than our stomachs.
You can make it small.
You can make it cheap.
You can make it pretty powerful.
You can make it efficient.
You can make it easy to program for.
But you cannot, generally, do all of them. The Ouya has a shot at hitting "Easy to program for", but anything else is a crapshoot.
I got a little excited when I saw your ship.
But there not even really designing the hardware, it will be a tegra3 based cellphone minus all the cellular and screen bits in a small plastic box. The only real work is on the controller and whatever custom frotnend they put on android.. But as raz said it wont matter much as no one will care about it 6 months after launch. And if it does somehow become popular then we can expect a ton of other compaies to copy the idea and release their own box.
I figure there taking so long to release it so that chip prices drop, and they can maximize profits.
It means.
You know, the same shit people do when they hack other consoles/devices.
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/374838/nintendo-admits-tight-wii-u-stock-as-uk-retail-fears-shortage/
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/black-ops-ii-still-no-1-as-far-cry-3-debuts-in-second-place-in-the-uk-charts/0107413 Full chart:
http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110015
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/premium-wii-u-bundle-claims-60-per-cent-of-launch-sales/0107412 This probably isn't surprising.
I'm not sure how to do ebay sell price charts (and if anyone can show me how, I'd be grateful), but the deluxe version of the Wii U appears to be generating bids of up to $400, though happily most of the listings with insane prices don't seem to be budging.
Guy on GAF runs this site, it's all the info you want on every videogame thing
http://videogames.pricecharting.com/game/wii-u/wii-u-console-deluxe-black-32gb
edit: The graph might be down now, I don't know but it worked last week. He keeps tabs on all closed auctions at eBay both used and new for consoles and games, etc.