Man, CNN is so worse than Fox on so many levels. At least Fox has a clear ideological position that steers their editorial direction (and they have Shep Smith); CNN is just vapid nonsense. 'Here is a talking head! Here is another talking head! Boy howdy, that was sure news; now let's go to the situation room where we have Wolf Blitzer on stand by to look really smart!'
And then people actually take CNN seriously, because it's the 'objective' news center.
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Wolf Blitzer, the guy who went into Final Jeopardy! on Celebrity Jeopardy! in the hole.
Comparing, say, CBC and CNN's coverage of these events was night and day.
Covering the opening of parliament today, CNN cut away from Tom Mulcair's opening statement to... speculate baselessly about future terrorist plots and how we should all be terrified and on edge. They're also focusing way, way too much on the perpetrator.
I already appreciated CBC as a news source, and their handling of the past few days has really reinforced that.
Edit: CNN literally has an article on their front page right now about Ottawa titled "What We Know... And Don't Know..."
It's exactly what you would expect from them.
*Sigh*
Comparing, say, CBC and CNN's coverage of these events was night and day.
Covering the opening of parliament today, CNN cut away from Tom Mulcair's opening statement to... speculate baselessly about future terrorist plots and how we should all be terrified and on edge. They're also focusing way, way too much on the perpetrator.
I already appreciated CBC as a news source, and their handling of the past few days has really reinforced that.
Unfortunately, the Toronto Star lead with a headline: "UNDER SIEGE", and then follows up with Rosie DiManno on page 2: "No haven from the vortex of violence".
(Does anybody else here hate Rosie DiManno with the raging passion that I do?)
It's events like this that cheese me off. We get one incident, everyone freaks out and makes knee-jerk reactions and laws to protect our security. How did we get put on ISIS's radar? By bombing their advances in Iraq. We shouldn't have gotten involved in that fight, nor should we have intervened in Libya during their civil war. We should have provided humanitarian aid as a third party to both sides, while trying to reach a peaceful resolution to their conflict. That's what Canada's identity is; not dropping bombs and backing rebellions.
Dude, you are wrong on so many levels. Violence should always be the final solution but should always be on the table. So by your logic, should we have setup med tents for the Nazis? Maybe general pinochet could have used our help with wounded.
...My mother has spent the afternoon obsessing over how we should all totally be worried about Remembrance Day. Like she's convinced it's going to just be a bloodbath somewhere.
I finally lost my patience and, against my own better judgement, asked her to count how many radicals have made good on the threats made weeks ago to avenge the fascist cause in Iraq & Syria.
Apparently the fact that only two extremists have popped-up is proof that something big is going to happen. The rest of them are just waiting and watching for the right moment to pounce, you see.
It's events like this that cheese me off. We get one incident, everyone freaks out and makes knee-jerk reactions and laws to protect our security. How did we get put on ISIS's radar? By bombing their advances in Iraq. We shouldn't have gotten involved in that fight, nor should we have intervened in Libya during their civil war. We should have provided humanitarian aid as a third party to both sides, while trying to reach a peaceful resolution to their conflict. That's what Canada's identity is; not dropping bombs and backing rebellions.
Dude, you are wrong on so many levels. Violence should always be the final solution but should always be on the table. So by your logic, should we have setup med tents for the Nazis? Maybe general pinochet could have used our help with wounded.
Where in my post did I mention ANYTHING about Nazi's, Nazi Germany, or Augusto Pinochet. Those were entirely different situations then what we currently are embroiled in. The point that I was making, was that instead of blindly joining the UN in bombing the crap out of Gahddafi, we should have tried the peacekeeping/diplomacy route. Sat down with both sides and tried to diffuse the situation, but no, we (as in UN et all) thought that arming the rebels (who we didn't know much about) and using smart bombs and jets to take out Libya's military equipment and allowed the "freedom fighters" to have their new country. We basically gave them a gun and said "Go Nuts". Now look where Libya is. And Iraq. And Syria.
We've seen throughout history that violence is usually the go-to solution, and look how that turns out. Maybe we should have tried a new approach. Yes, people would have died, but we could have minimized the bloodshed, while showing compassion and creating a situation of understanding between the two sides.
Seriously though, as much as I am enjoying this status lauded upon Kevin Vickers, I would like to know more about the people who rushed in to help out Cpl. Nathan Cirillo and the security guard who tried to wrestle the rifle away from the assailant. The Sgt wasn't alone and shouldn't be alone in the applause.
Edit: Whoops, link went bad apparently, I'll try to find another source. Edit2: Sorry this isn't as well sized up as the last one. Edit3:Ahh, there we go.
Seriously though, as much as I am enjoying this status lauded upon Kevin Vickers, I would like to know more about the people who rushed in to help out Cpl. Nathan Cirillo and the security guard who tried to wrestle the rifle away from the assailant. The Sgt wasn't alone and shouldn't be alone in the applause.
Seriously though, as much as I am enjoying this status lauded upon Kevin Vickers, I would like to know more about the people who rushed in to help out Cpl. Nathan Cirillo and the security guard who tried to wrestle the rifle away from the assailant. The Sgt wasn't alone and shouldn't be alone in the applause.
Seriously though, as much as I am enjoying this status lauded upon Kevin Vickers, I would like to know more about the people who rushed in to help out Cpl. Nathan Cirillo and the security guard who tried to wrestle the rifle away from the assailant. The Sgt wasn't alone and shouldn't be alone in the applause.
Seriously though, as much as I am enjoying this status lauded upon Kevin Vickers, I would like to know more about the people who rushed in to help out Cpl. Nathan Cirillo and the security guard who tried to wrestle the rifle away from the assailant. The Sgt wasn't alone and shouldn't be alone in the applause.
...I'm trained in First Aid (though my training is way lolz outdated), and haven't heard about elevating legs / feet.
What's that meant to accomplish?
I believe it's reducing blood flow to less vital areas. And away from the injury if it's present there.
Just got mine updated. It's usually only done when you have more then one first responder. It's amazing that everyone that helped had some training and knew what to do.
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I did ear about elevating legs during my own training, altough I never actually had to use it so I'm far from certain I would had tought of doing that had I been they're.
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I am not a harper fan but why are people being hard on him for this? I'm seeing it implied that this was some form of cowardice. The RCMP told him to stay there and he did... This seems pretty reasonable, no?
I'd have hid in a cupboard too. Fuck getting shot-up.
I'm also glad our PM stayed safe, because even though he is an awful person, fucking shooting people is not the right answer & this is not what I want in politics (i doubt anyone does).
Did I say it was a criticism? I was just presenting a quick TL:DR from the article which I found interesting and wanted to share.
Besides, as you can see, I spent more words on the main thrust of the article, turns out this guy wasn't linked to IS according to the evidence they have gathered. Thought the thread might be interested in things like that, I know I found it interesting considering the anti-Islamic conversations I have had to endure lately with puffed shirts that you probably don't want to hear the details of.
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Glad to see people are able to put aside partisanship in a time like this
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From what I heard on CTV, the shooter had a criminal record for petty crimes and drug use. A few years back he had notably robbed a McDonald's in order to deliberately get arrested so he could kick his coke addiction in jail. He was staying at a homeless shelter in Ottawa before the shooting. It had been five years since he had been in contact with his parents.
So, the guy was clearly not all there mentally. Which made him a prime target for brainwashing and radicalization. The solution would be a large investment in our mental healthcare system, to catch people like that, get them off the streets and away from negative influences, and into care homes with the professionals who can get them back on their feet.
Did I say it was a criticism? I was just presenting a quick TL:DR from the article which I found interesting and wanted to share.
Besides, as you can see, I spent more words on the main thrust of the article, turns out this guy wasn't linked to IS according to the evidence they have gathered. Thought the thread might be interested in things like that, I know I found it interesting considering the anti-Islamic conversations I have had to endure lately with puffed shirts that you probably don't want to hear the details of.
Not saying you implied it at all!
The tone of some of the articles I have read about it had a derogatory tone to them.
Just curious, could the editorial tone of articles be indicative of how media outside Canada feels about Harper and/or Canada? Or would that be reading too much into it?
From what I heard on CTV, the shooter had a criminal record for petty crimes and drug use. A few years back he had notably robbed a McDonald's in order to deliberately get arrested so he could kick his coke addiction in jail. He was staying at a homeless shelter in Ottawa before the shooting. It had been five years since he had been in contact with his parents.
So, the guy was clearly not all there mentally. Which made him a prime target for brainwashing and radicalization. The solution would be a large investment in our mental healthcare system, to catch people like that, get them off the streets and away from negative influences, and into care homes with the professionals who can get them back on their feet.
Goodness, I loathe the word terrorism and I feel it's use in what happened in Ottawa this week is unbelievably inappropriate. It is such a politically charged word that is designed to shut down dissent. I really hope we back down from the hyperbole going around ever since this has happened. I was very pleased with the level-headedness and constraint being shown in our newscasts compared to what was going on down in the US. What happened in Ottawa was absolutely tragic and unfortunate, but it was an outlier. Playing the significance of the event up to pass legislation that will likely harm more people than it helps is not good governance.
From what I heard on CTV, the shooter had a criminal record for petty crimes and drug use. A few years back he had notably robbed a McDonald's in order to deliberately get arrested so he could kick his coke addiction in jail. He was staying at a homeless shelter in Ottawa before the shooting. It had been five years since he had been in contact with his parents.
So, the guy was clearly not all there mentally. Which made him a prime target for brainwashing and radicalization. The solution would be a large investment in our mental healthcare system, to catch people like that, get them off the streets and away from negative influences, and into care homes with the professionals who can get them back on their feet.
From what I heard on CTV, the shooter had a criminal record for petty crimes and drug use. A few years back he had notably robbed a McDonald's in order to deliberately get arrested so he could kick his coke addiction in jail. He was staying at a homeless shelter in Ottawa before the shooting. It had been five years since he had been in contact with his parents.
So, the guy was clearly not all there mentally. Which made him a prime target for brainwashing and radicalization. The solution would be a large investment in our mental healthcare system, to catch people like that, get them off the streets and away from negative influences, and into care homes with the professionals who can get them back on their feet.
Like seriously, what the hell is this quote doing coming from the higher ups at the RCMP?
In a news conference yesterday, RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson noted the police currently cannot charge anyone who has yet to commit a crime, and suggested there needs to be a change.
Paraphrasing it: "The RCMP currently can't just arrest whoever we want for no reason whatsoever. WE NEED TO FIX THIS!!!!!!"
"The challenges are the thresholds — the thresholds that will allow either preventive arrest, or charges that lead to sentences, or more simple operations," Blaney said in French. "So what the prime minister has asked is for us to review in an accelerated manner the different mechanisms that are offered to police to ensure everyone's security."
In a subsequent interview with CBC News, he said the measures recently introduced in anti-terrorism legislation don't go far enough.
"When we tabled the Combating Terrorism Act, we activated some capability for our law enforcement to do some [preventive arrests]" he told the program Power & Politics in an interview to air Friday.
"What we are realizing now is there are some thresholds that would need adjustment so that it is more practical and more functional to intervene."
Nope. Fucking nope.
'Pre-emptive arrest' means 'arresting someone who has not actually committed a crime'. Sorry, but I don't trust the state to start guessing about who is or isn't a TERRORIST! and tossing them in jail without due process.
I don't want my rights thrown in the Goddamn garbage because two people were killed.
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They're racing Fox News to the bottom. And only losing by virtue of correctly finding Canada on a map.
And then people actually take CNN seriously, because it's the 'objective' news center.
Covering the opening of parliament today, CNN cut away from Tom Mulcair's opening statement to... speculate baselessly about future terrorist plots and how we should all be terrified and on edge. They're also focusing way, way too much on the perpetrator.
I already appreciated CBC as a news source, and their handling of the past few days has really reinforced that.
Edit: CNN literally has an article on their front page right now about Ottawa titled "What We Know... And Don't Know..."
It's exactly what you would expect from them.
*Sigh*
Unfortunately, the Toronto Star lead with a headline: "UNDER SIEGE", and then follows up with Rosie DiManno on page 2: "No haven from the vortex of violence".
(Does anybody else here hate Rosie DiManno with the raging passion that I do?)
Dude, you are wrong on so many levels. Violence should always be the final solution but should always be on the table. So by your logic, should we have setup med tents for the Nazis? Maybe general pinochet could have used our help with wounded.
oh god, yes.
almost as bad is margaret wente in the globe and mail. not as bad, but still bad.
I finally lost my patience and, against my own better judgement, asked her to count how many radicals have made good on the threats made weeks ago to avenge the fascist cause in Iraq & Syria.
Apparently the fact that only two extremists have popped-up is proof that something big is going to happen. The rest of them are just waiting and watching for the right moment to pounce, you see.
Where in my post did I mention ANYTHING about Nazi's, Nazi Germany, or Augusto Pinochet. Those were entirely different situations then what we currently are embroiled in. The point that I was making, was that instead of blindly joining the UN in bombing the crap out of Gahddafi, we should have tried the peacekeeping/diplomacy route. Sat down with both sides and tried to diffuse the situation, but no, we (as in UN et all) thought that arming the rebels (who we didn't know much about) and using smart bombs and jets to take out Libya's military equipment and allowed the "freedom fighters" to have their new country. We basically gave them a gun and said "Go Nuts". Now look where Libya is. And Iraq. And Syria.
We've seen throughout history that violence is usually the go-to solution, and look how that turns out. Maybe we should have tried a new approach. Yes, people would have died, but we could have minimized the bloodshed, while showing compassion and creating a situation of understanding between the two sides.
The Halifax Chronicle Herald really does seem to have the best political cartoonists around.
I think it's advocating that we're a goddamn strong nation. Like Batman.
We may also be covered in delicious marshmallow fluff.
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Seriously though, as much as I am enjoying this status lauded upon Kevin Vickers, I would like to know more about the people who rushed in to help out Cpl. Nathan Cirillo and the security guard who tried to wrestle the rifle away from the assailant. The Sgt wasn't alone and shouldn't be alone in the applause.
Edit: Whoops, link went bad apparently, I'll try to find another source. Edit2: Sorry this isn't as well sized up as the last one. Edit3:Ahh, there we go.
Have you read this article? 'You are so loved': Ottawa lawyer describes trying to save Cpl. Nathan Cirillo
I teared up a bit, I must admit.
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...I'm trained in First Aid (though my training is way lolz outdated), and haven't heard about elevating legs / feet.
What's that meant to accomplish?
I believe it's reducing blood flow to less vital areas. And away from the injury if it's present there.
Just got mine updated. It's usually only done when you have more then one first responder. It's amazing that everyone that helped had some training and knew what to do.
Also, PM hid in a cupboard.
Source - BBC.
I am not a harper fan but why are people being hard on him for this? I'm seeing it implied that this was some form of cowardice. The RCMP told him to stay there and he did... This seems pretty reasonable, no?
I'm also glad our PM stayed safe, because even though he is an awful person, fucking shooting people is not the right answer & this is not what I want in politics (i doubt anyone does).
Besides, as you can see, I spent more words on the main thrust of the article, turns out this guy wasn't linked to IS according to the evidence they have gathered. Thought the thread might be interested in things like that, I know I found it interesting considering the anti-Islamic conversations I have had to endure lately with puffed shirts that you probably don't want to hear the details of.
So, the guy was clearly not all there mentally. Which made him a prime target for brainwashing and radicalization. The solution would be a large investment in our mental healthcare system, to catch people like that, get them off the streets and away from negative influences, and into care homes with the professionals who can get them back on their feet.
Or, you know, just change laws to increase police powers and make it easier to throw people in jail and call it a day.
Not saying you implied it at all!
The tone of some of the articles I have read about it had a derogatory tone to them.
Goodness, I loathe the word terrorism and I feel it's use in what happened in Ottawa this week is unbelievably inappropriate. It is such a politically charged word that is designed to shut down dissent. I really hope we back down from the hyperbole going around ever since this has happened. I was very pleased with the level-headedness and constraint being shown in our newscasts compared to what was going on down in the US. What happened in Ottawa was absolutely tragic and unfortunate, but it was an outlier. Playing the significance of the event up to pass legislation that will likely harm more people than it helps is not good governance.
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We can't take that risk, Richy.
We can't let the terrorists win.
Like seriously, what the hell is this quote doing coming from the higher ups at the RCMP?
Paraphrasing it: "The RCMP currently can't just arrest whoever we want for no reason whatsoever. WE NEED TO FIX THIS!!!!!!"
There is no amount of [head desk] appropriate.
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Nope. Fucking nope.
'Pre-emptive arrest' means 'arresting someone who has not actually committed a crime'. Sorry, but I don't trust the state to start guessing about who is or isn't a TERRORIST! and tossing them in jail without due process.
I don't want my rights thrown in the Goddamn garbage because two people were killed.