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Engadget "confirms" black Xbox 360 Elite, w/ 120 GB and HDMI
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I considered upgrading, but I figure I can probably get $300 for my 360 used, so I'd be paying $180 for the bigger hard drive an a HDMI output which is currently useless to me, so I may as well just pay the $180 and get the bigger hard drive.
I still wish it was at least 200 gb though.
You laugh now, but it will come...
Hell, the Wii has built in Wi-Fi so I don't think it could add to the manufacturing costs that much.
I'm with Aoi, and not just because he's my new forum friend (*hugz!*) but because it just seems rational to me. I'm in the same situation... one of the gripes about other paid video download services is that you pay to download it... and that's it... if you lose it then you have to buy it again.
With Live any of my DLC, all my arcade games, and even my video downloads are stored... for free... on the internet.
The thing that sucks is, if you ever buy a movie for your 360... and you delete it because you need space, and you want to watch it again in the future, sure, Live knows that you "own" it, but now you have to redownload a 5GB movie.
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When you charge $100 for the WiFi adapter seperately, you can't let consumers know flat out that you're completely ripping them off. They could include WiFi without changing the price at all if they wanted, but they're stubborn, money-hungry bastards.
Oh please, you're stretching right now. I am PERFECTLY happy with my xbox360 as it is right now. If *I* choose to get the new HD, I will do so. It's an upgrade, a peripheral, nothing more.
Did toyota screw its customers by adding features to the 2007 models that weren't on the 2006 model?
The added functionality here, aside from the hd, isn't even necessary. It isn't needed to play the games or enjoy the games, in hd or otherwise. These are simply options that if someone chooses they can purchase.
*I* don't feel screwed over, and between you and me, I'm the one who purchased the 360.
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms, history shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples to carry arms have prepared their own fall"
- Adolf Hitler, Edict of March 18, 1938.
Here you go.
Wow, well I guess they showed me.
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms, history shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples to carry arms have prepared their own fall"
- Adolf Hitler, Edict of March 18, 1938.
If Toyota released a car in 2006 that only came with tires made of doughnuts and then released a 2007 model with all-seasons, then it would be a similar analogy.
The main problem I have with Microsoft is that they made a really big deal over Sony "ripping the consumer off by not giving them choice", and then they pretty much give the consumer choice, while ripping them off. If I want a 360 with wireless controllers, online play, a large hard drive, wifi, HD movie playback, and an HDMI port, well, I don't want to have to spend $829 to get it. If I had $829 to buy all of those things, I'd buy a PS3 and have plenty left over for games.
See what I mean?
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They aren't ripping you off by giving you choices. If you want a game machine, you can pick up a core and a memory card. If you want an HDD to avoid memory cards, HD output, and wireless controllers all in one package, you can pick up a premium. OR you can buy a core, a wireless controller, an upgrade hard drive, and a component cord. If you want even more HDD space and HDMI compatibility, you can buy the Elite. Or if you're only interested in the extra HDD space you'll be able to buy the add-on drive and combine it with either the core or the premium (I'm not sure if the HDMI uses the 360's multi-out, but if it does you could just pick up the cable, too).
On top of that, if you also want an HD-DVD player you can pick up the optional drive and combine it with any of the three systems in any configuration.
What they're doing, which makes sense to me, is allowing me, their customer, to buy the 360 I want while still guaranteeing that I can play any 360 game out there. I wanted some HDD space, and I like wireless controllers so I bought a premium just last week. I don't feel ripped off. I don't want or need HDMI or a 120 GB HDD. I want a machine to play disc-based games, arcade games, and game demos. The 360 premium gives me that.
What alternatives does Sony offer me? None. If I want a games machine but have no interest in a BluRay movie player, well it sucks to be me. The only way to get a PS3 is to also get a BluRay Player.
Personally, I'd rather have the choices. It's not like the release of the elite 360 obsoletes the core and the premium.
No, same internals (except HDMI) as the regular X360.
And it's not replacing the premium either, it's a new SKU.
http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/776/776448p1.html
Unless you call them and have the points returned to you. That's not exactly terribly difficult to fix. You also only need Live Silver, which is free, if you're too lazy to call MS and get that particular issue resolved. Also, movies are rental only. You pay a couple dollars, you watch the movie, you delete the movie. You have no reason to keep it on your HD for a prolonged period anyway.
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Yeah, but that opens up the argument on whether or not 7GB worth of space on a single disc is going to cut it in the future.
And you can't play any game with any 360, there are already two games released that require the hard drive.
On a side note, it's nice that the average dumbass Joe Fratboy can drop $400 and play Halo with all of his buddies. But if you want a 360 with features, you're gonna have to pay through the ass. PS3 games are already topping the ~9GB limit on a DVD-9, so it's nice to have that Blu-Ray drive in there. It upped the cost, but putting a DVD drive in the PS2 and the Xbox upped the price a shitload then too. You'll never get the option of higher capacity game discs with the 360. Unless Microsoft releases a 360 with a built-in HD-DVD drive and then goes back on their word, like they've done twice already with the claim that "no game will ever be released that requires the hard drive".
Microsoft is trying to establish it self as catering to the "hard core", but in reality, they're just stealing you blind if you want anything that doesn't come standard.
Think back to that Toyota example. Sure, any old Toyota can drive, and the 2006 model does just that. But let's say you want comfortable seats, a stereo, air conditioning... and they charged you a shitload for each. That's the situation with Microsoft. So basically, you could add all of that shit to the Toyota, but when you're done, you're pretty damn close to the price of a Lexus that has all that shit standard.
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I hadn't heard that. What 2 games require the HDD?
Also, wasn't the original Xbox's price reduced a little bit because it couldn't play DVDs right out of the box? You had to buy the remote control that enabled DVD playback. That's the kind of choice I'm talking about, and it's the kind of choice I like. I never needed or wanted my Xbox to play DVD movies so I never picked up the remote, and I saved a little in the process.
And regarding your Toyota example. You're absolutely right. You can buy the base model car. It gets your from A to B and back again with little to no options. Or you can buy options as you want them. Leather seats. Air conditioning. That kind of thing. Still gets you from A to B, but you're more comfortable while you do it. Or you can just buy the top of the line Toyota that comes with all that stuff standard. The point I'm trying to impress upon you is that it's a good thing to give the consumer choices. The PS3 doesn't have a "base model" or a "midrange model" in the same way that the 360 does (in my opinion at least). They've got 2 choices, both of which (based on price) are comparable to the 360 elite or the pro with HD-DVD add-on.
I can buy whatever 360 I want and customize it to fit my needs. I can't do that - at least not the same degree - with the PS3. My big example, and the one that costs the most money, is that BluRay player. I don't want a BluRay player, and I can't buy a PS3 without one. I also don't want an HD-DVD player, and I had no problem buying a 360 without one.
the controller more so. it's the grey and the black, and the bright buttons with the black, man, what a clash. it brings up bad memories of the original xbox colours.
That's cool man. A lot of us have been using Marketplace and playing really great HD games online and off with a seamless chat system and just generally enjoying ourselves for well over a year now so it's hard to get where people are coming from when they say they don't like that kind of fun.
I'll keep rocking my ancient 20gb premium 360 that I got for $400. The cool thing also is that once I was ready to enter the HD movie market... MS had the best solution for that for my dollar.
I love America Jr.
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I'm curious. How will the elite further stratify the player base? What games could you play on the elite, whose only real difference is HDD space, that you couldn't play on the premium or (discounting FFXI and Football Manager) the core? Will this further stratify the multimedia base? Probably. Folks with the elite have more room to keep random shit on their hard drive, but with as small as most game saves are, I don't see this being a big deal in regards to splitting the player base.. My Kameo save may have less wiggle room due to a smaller hard drive, but it's still there, and it still works.
Releasing a model over a year after release that makes currently possible things easier doesn't negate the fact that the current models can do those things, too (with the exception of downloading huge files which the core crowd already knew about).
Yeah, we get treated that way too. Fantastic.
http://on10.net/Blogs/tina/exclusive-video-first-look-at-the-xbox-elite/
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black things need to be glossy, i think, to look shiny and expensive (e.g. PS3, iPod, iBook) or they just look cheap (e.g. every dell pc ever)
I think the PS2 looks nice with its matte finish.
Also, shiny things are hard to keep clean. I'd much rather have all matte electronics.
Matte is nicer than shiny. Shiny looks good when you take it out of the packaging. After that it's all downhill.
If I wasn't afraid I'd fuck it up I'd sand the shiny off of my DS Lite.
true, but shiny things look so shiny
The presence of the HDMI port negates the other two models, as that feature cannot be duplicated. So if you buy a Core, later get a 20 gig, and later get an HD-DVD add-on, you're still screwed once the HDCP flag comes on, not to mention that not many TV's do 1080p over component. We won't even mention the $100 Wifi adapter.
Either model of the PS3 will never have these issues, hence why you may effectively screw yourself if you ever want to upgrade from the base model. You can't add, you have to buy new. And after all that shit they talked, they offer this, which makes their competitor's price seem not so high all of a sudden.
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Need to play: Shadow Complex, Uncharted 2, Ratchet and Clank: ACIT, MW2, Alpha Protocol
What does the HDCP flag have to do with a) playing 360 games or b) watching Live-downloaded programs?
You've got me on the HD-DVD player/HDCP flag issue though.
we are talking next xbox and next playstation long way out
HDCP = non-issue
I don't much care about the games - they look damned nice in 720p - but for HD movies, it'd really be nice to have 1080p, since I plan to get a 1080p television at some point in the future. And the built-in upscaling capability that current 360s refuse to do except through VGA sure would be nice.
But then, for the cost of upgrading my 360, inside a year I can probably just get a standalone HD-DVD player with HDMI out for not much more. I don't see myself biting.
Maddie: "I am not!"
Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
Maddie: "I am a placental mammal!"
The number of TVs with VGA inputs is tiny.
Maddie: "I am not!"
Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
Maddie: "I am a placental mammal!"