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  • The Good Doctor TranThe Good Doctor Tran Registered User regular
    The talk of the stack change is reminding me of other changes over the years that caused rage for stupid reasons ( cept not enough to quite remember what the actual changes were!)

    The one I do remember is when one of the very first errata's hit, like when they introduced errata as a thing, People FLIPPED out, because now that all printings of a card had to adhere to a single ruling, their Misprint alpha Oriflames and Orcish Artilleries had to use the real casting cost. You can look back now and be like "Well, Duh". But back then this was riot potential.

    Or when Interrupts were removed.

    edit: When LIFO became enforced!

    I don't remember huge rage over LIFO, but my friends did flip about interrupts and I just looked at them and said "If you can tell me how interrupts actually work, I will agree with you" and none of them could.
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    did people riot over mana burn being taken out

    because I also hated mana burn back in my young'n days

    I cannot remember anyone who didn't cheer vigorously about the mana burn change.

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  • RozRoz Boss of InternetRegistered User regular
    The talk of the stack change is reminding me of other changes over the years that caused rage for stupid reasons ( cept not enough to quite remember what the actual changes were!)

    The one I do remember is when one of the very first errata's hit, like when they introduced errata as a thing, People FLIPPED out, because now that all printings of a card had to adhere to a single ruling, their Misprint alpha Oriflames and Orcish Artilleries had to use the real casting cost. You can look back now and be like "Well, Duh". But back then this was riot potential.

    Or when Interrupts were removed.

    edit: When LIFO became enforced!

    I don't remember huge rage over LIFO, but my friends did flip about interrupts and I just looked at them and said "If you can tell me how interrupts actually work, I will agree with you" and none of them could.
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    did people riot over mana burn being taken out

    because I also hated mana burn back in my young'n days

    I cannot remember anyone who didn't cheer vigorously about the mana burn change.

    Batches man. Fucking batches. I get chills just thinking about it.

  • drp527drp527 We sacrifice our own That more may rise in their placeRegistered User regular
    edited April 2013
    I was a little sad about mana burn being pulled because there were some fun things it enabled

    Citadel of Pain was significantly better (it's actually still not that bad at what it attempts to do), Spectral Searchlight shenanigans were hilarious

    and the chaos that erupted whenever someone had Upwelling out, then after several turns of everyone stacking mana with it someone else went and blew it up, was incredible

    but by and large I agree with their reasoning behind pulling it

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  • KlendyKlendy Goomy GoomyGoomyRegistered User regular
    Good ole Mana Flare became abusable instead of a liability.

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  • BugBoyBugBoy boy.EXE has stopped functioning. only bugs remainRegistered User regular
    I am stuck infinitely generating prerelease pools

    yes I would like to pull a ral zerak and a foil savageborn hydra in one pack

    I would like this a lot

  • Tommy2HandsTommy2Hands what is this where am i Registered User regular
    edited April 2013
    I'm really tempted to change my preorder from Golgari to Dimir at the last minute here considering the fact that I just bought a Jarad earlier this week

    god I want a chance at getting a ral zerak

    e: I just want a coin flipping based deck more than anything in the world i guess

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    you are never going to see zerak's ult ever

  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    yo i just got home from work

    the pins are p baller

    i got a boros one just because

  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    Whew. I feel human again after getting some sleep!

    Went 5-0 in swiss (though to be fair my first round opponent got badly flooded both games and my round 3 opponent had to leave) before we cut to top 8.

    In the finals, game one I landed the Selesnya guy who gets vigilance if you control a gate against his two Unleashed creatures, then followed it up with a Madcap Skills the next turn which pretty much won the game right there.

    Game two I keep a two land hand with two of the Zhur-taa Druids, Alive//Well and a Centuar Healer. He had no early plays until he drops a turn 3 Desecration Demon off of his own Zhur-ta Druid. I can't really afford to lose Druids because I haven't seen any further lands. I take a hit, then another as I play my second druid then follow it up with my Centaur Healer when I top deck the White populating elemental that makes birds. I drop that, lose a bird to slow Desecration Demon, then Alive/Well for the token and 12 life. Then I hit a couple of land and Trostani's Summoner to produce enough tokens that the Demon is never going to attack.

    Despite Boros being completely taken, only one of them won the first round and none made top 8. Orzhov and Simic were in the lead in the maze the whole way through with about three players each, the Rakdos/Gruul guy I played in the finals and a Golgari/Dimir deck.

    Top 8 was 2 Orzhov/Something, Golgari/Dimir, Gruul/Izzet (which was a brutal combination) Rakdos/Gruul, Azorius/Orzhov, Simic/Azorius (guy got Lavinia and the uncommon that bounces a creature you control in your upkeep to permanently detain just about everything) and myself on Selesnya/Gruul.

    All the super fast aggressive decks seemed to get walled out by the Gatekeeper cycle and fizzled out. It was definately slower and seemed to come down how rediculous your mid/late game was.

    I'll post my decklist later when I dig it out.

  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    you are never going to see zerak's ult ever

    you don't need to when you're getting 2+ lightning bolts out of him

    that is hot as balls in limited

  • Butler For Life #1Butler For Life #1 Twinning is WinningRegistered User regular
    Kelor wrote: »

    All the super fast aggressive decks seemed to get walled out by the Gatekeeper cycle and fizzled out. It was definately slower and seemed to come down how rediculous your mid/late game was.

    yesssssss this is what I want

    although, I am worried about how long the prerelease will take

    the GTC and RTR prereleases were over 8 hours for me, and those were faster formats

  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    No one got him at the prerelease I went to, but his ability to let you ramp would be really, really good I imagine as well as being a source of removal/damage to the dome.

  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    Wait, everyone else's prereleases isn't 4 rounds of swiss with prizes based on match wins?

  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    admanb wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    you are never going to see zerak's ult ever

    you don't need to when you're getting 2+ lightning bolts out of him

    that is hot as balls in limited

    that was my point

    also that is hot as balls in standard too

  • Butler For Life #1Butler For Life #1 Twinning is WinningRegistered User regular
    Wait, everyone else's prereleases isn't 4 rounds of swiss with prizes based on match wins?

    the prereleases I've gone to are more than 5

    I have no idea how many, because 8 hours is about as many as I can handle in one go

  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    Klendy wrote: »
    Good ole Mana Flare became abusable instead of a liability.

    In the Microprose MtG game, one of the computer's red decks was built around Mana Flares, Manabarbs, and Power Surge (wooooo red enchantments). Also some Fireballs in there.

  • WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    I will Ultimate Zarek , in limited, then I will immediately lose all 5 rolls, you just wait.

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  • The Good Doctor TranThe Good Doctor Tran Registered User regular
    I will Ultimate Zarek , in limited, then I will immediately lose all 5 rolls, you just wait.

    This is a good reason to never use him for that purpose.

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  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    I will Ultimate Zarek , in limited, then I will immediately lose all 5 rolls, you just wait.

    This is a good reason to never use him for that purpose.

    Well yeah, but that's why they force you to do heads.

    If you could pick, then you'd always go tails and get five extra turns every time.

  • KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    who do I be mad at for not getting a pin

    wizards for not giving enough out or my store for not ordering enough

    I am inclined to blame wizards because my store didn't have enough of the dci codes or the promo plains and only enough pins for the marquee even which is the saturday morning one I guess

    I payed 30 dollars and played until 5 in the morning where is my pin

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    anyway, went simic and final score was 1-2-1 though I let the other guy have the win and get the pack because we literally finished game 2 of round 4 at 5am which is time up for the whole event so whatever

    got selesnya as my "secret" ally

    pulls of note
    Aetherling (fucking amazing)
    Wild Beastmaster
    Zegana (fucking finally)
    Breaking//Entering
    Teysa
    Melek

    started out straight simic but then after my round 2 guy dropped because he was asleep on his feet I spent the remainder of round 2 tweaking my deck, at first bringing in some selesnya and then also splashing some azorious
    deck at the end of the night
    Species Gorger (annoying at first but actually combos well with several cards)
    Deputy of Aquittals (cheap early game, useful for the same combos as Gorger late game)
    Common Bond
    Centaur Healer
    Trostani's Summoner
    Drakewing Krasis
    Prime Speaker Zegana (empty hand? bounce her with gorger at the start of your upkeep then play her again to solve that problem)

    Aetherling (I cannot get over this card and I need at least 1 or 2 more for my simic deck)
    Opal Lake Gatekeepers x2 (great gorger/deputy bounce targets)
    Rapid Hybridization
    Frilled Occulus
    Way of the thief

    Phytoburst x2 (not great but useful)
    Wild Beastmaster
    Give//Take (I was gonna take it out because I ended up with very few counter making things but give by itself is p good)
    Verdant Haven
    Wildwood Rebirth
    Saruli Gatekeepers (fantastic bouncing target)
    Druid's Deliverance
    Kraul Warrior
    Greenside Watcher
    Centaur's Herald (many times I turned her into a frog lizard then took her back from the graveyard and made her a centaur a turn later)

    Azorious Cluestone
    Azorious Guildgate
    Selesnya Guildgate
    Simic Guildgate x2

    Plains x1
    Island x4
    Forest x6

    Very proud of it, more top heavy than I would like but sealed is slow and I got fuck all for decent 1-2 drops in the colors I actually got cards for/wanted to play
    Generally curved out nicely, if I ever felt starved it was never for one color just for mana in general because shitty draws

    Aetherling is a fucking beast though, and Phytoburst on Wild Beastmaster is so useful

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    Oh another fun thing was I also got 8 cluestones, each one of a different guild

    impressive for 4 packs

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    Wait, everyone else's prereleases isn't 4 rounds of swiss with prizes based on match wins?

    the prereleases I've gone to are more than 5

    I have no idea how many, because 8 hours is about as many as I can handle in one go

    I guess my store is trying to run as many events as possible. Midnight, 3 on Saturday, 2 on Sunday, one of which is a 2HG. Each event is 4 rounds of Swiss. Though I am at work at not at the Prerelease this time, so boourns.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    The store my buds play at have 3-4 events based on turnout.

    2 on Saturday, then 1 on Sunday + a fourth if they have extra boxes.

    I also noted the other weak before I went to the hospital that my favorite comic book shop has more security measures than fucking Fort Knox.

    I call it my favorite comic book shop because they know I like Ultimate Spider-Man. And they don't hold comics for people past three months.

    They have held mine for a year at a time in the past because they know about my medical history and how hard it can be for me to make bills and make it out in time. This is also why I never bought any comics from my store while I was in college, and always waited for summer/winter breaks to buy my comics from them. Loyalty ++.

    And the owners like me and I like them, that helps. The store patrons I could do without (other than about four)

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  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    Wait, everyone else's prereleases isn't 4 rounds of swiss with prizes based on match wins?

    the prereleases I've gone to are more than 5

    I have no idea how many, because 8 hours is about as many as I can handle in one go

    this sounds like a terrible idea

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I would love to do a double-elim style M:tG pre-release but unless you did it like speed chess complete with a punch-clock that would be impossible.

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  • Minerva_SCMinerva_SC Registered User regular
    I've never seen a prerelease with more than 4 rounds. I guess it depends on were you live.

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  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    I would love to do a double-elim style M:tG pre-release but unless you did it like speed chess complete with a punch-clock that would be impossible.

    this sounds like an even worse idea

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    I would love to do a double-elim style M:tG pre-release but unless you did it like speed chess complete with a punch-clock that would be impossible.

    this sounds like an even worse idea

    If properly run, it is a fantastic idea. Nothing is worse than having 21 people wait because 1 person is insanely slow.

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  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    no i mean for a prerelease that is a god-awful idea

    the point of the prerelease is playing with new cards and having fun

    not playing it swiss seems to defeat the point of that

  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    more from the 2010 rules changes thread
    Just want to say thanks for improving my experience in this game called magic. I could barely read, which made the game hard to understand. This damage on the stack thing was horrible. What's with mana burn anyhow? You mean I have to manage a resource, that's kinda like money. I dont think that's a good idea in your game, hell I can barely manage my own money. Oh, by the way, love the battlefield thing. That's where my Pokemon use to fight, are the games compatible? With my 5th grade education, I was worried I would have to quit when I just started learning how to play. Thanks Aaron Forsythe and Mark L. Gottlieb, without you things would be so complicated.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I don't like swiss to determine the top 4-6 people alone in any event.

    If you lose the first round in a swiss tourney, you might as well pack your bags then because there aren't any more stakes for you to play for.

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  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    I don't like swiss to determine the top 4-6 people alone in any event.

    If you lose the first round in a swiss tourney, you might as well pack your bags then because there aren't any more stakes for you to play for.

    does everything have to be for Big Stakes or can it just be about wanting to play a fun game with the new cards that aren't out yet, just for a weekend

  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 2013
    I don't like swiss to determine the top 4-6 people alone in any event.

    If you lose the first round in a swiss tourney, you might as well pack your bags then because there aren't any more stakes for you to play for.

    How large a tournament are you talking? X - 1, or even X - 1 - 1 is usually good enough to top 8 most events. And if it's just prizes based on Swiss, it doesn't matter which round your loss is in.

    E: Unless you go undefeated until the last round and want to prize split. Which I recall you don't like.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    I don't like swiss to determine the top 4-6 people alone in any event.

    If you lose the first round in a swiss tourney, you might as well pack your bags then because there aren't any more stakes for you to play for.

    does everything have to be for Big Stakes or can it just be about wanting to play a fun game with the new cards that aren't out yet, just for a weekend

    So you can pack your bags and take your box and play with your friends. Stakes =/= big stakes, and playing without any chance of 'winning' or 'pressure' of losing changes how fun a game is to some people.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I don't like swiss to determine the top 4-6 people alone in any event.

    If you lose the first round in a swiss tourney, you might as well pack your bags then because there aren't any more stakes for you to play for.

    How large a tournament are you talking? X - 1, or even X - 1 - 1 is usually good enough to top 8 most events. And if it's just prizes based on Swiss, it doesn't matter which round your loss is in.

    E: Unless you go undefeated until the last round and want to prize split. Which I recall you don't like.

    I think about 30 people show up to the one I go to, and it's about five rounds. So because I lost the first round in Swiss, and played against someone else who lost first round Swiss, I was so far behind in the standings that I finished just outside of the top ten despite beating two dudes who ended up getting prizes.

    You can lose in the second round and you can get third if you are super duper lucky. But if you lose in the first round, then you might get fifth or sixth with the same record as the guy in 2nd, and you won't even place if you lose in the first round and any other round at all.

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  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    The prerelease they ran at the store I was at draws a pretty big crowd (around 60ish) so for prereleases they'll often cut to a top eight, with all entrants receiving a booster, then an extra one for every win you have in swiss. The prizes get much better if you make top 8.

    I'm with Munkus in that with large person tournaments, purely running it with swiss rounds has a limit before you end up with a pool of 4-0, who haven't played each other and whose opponents didn't play them either. Sure the computer will work it out, but going for but not making top four because the guy you beat in round two lost to a guy in the third round who lost to a guy in the first round who beat another guy in the second round that the guy *you* beat in third round beat is a shitty way to end a tournament.

  • AshtonDragonAshtonDragon AKA The Nix Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    you are never going to see zerak's ult ever

    I've already seen it! When doing testing with proxies, from a Grixis Planeswalkers deck. He got four extra turns, and proceeded to ultimate both Lilliana and Tamiyo :(

    Leaving for a prerelease in about an hour, pretty excited

  • The Good Doctor TranThe Good Doctor Tran Registered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    no i mean for a prerelease that is a god-awful idea

    the point of the prerelease is playing with new cards and having fun

    not playing it swiss seems to defeat the point of that

    Oh okay. Thanks for clearing that up for us, Buttlord.

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  • Butler For Life #1Butler For Life #1 Twinning is WinningRegistered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    you are never going to see zerak's ult ever

    I've already seen it! When doing testing with proxies, from a Grixis Planeswalkers deck. He got four extra turns, and proceeded to ultimate both Lilliana and Tamiyo :(
    Zarek, teaming up with Liliana and Tamiyo?

    Heh. Highly dubious. All three planeswalkers are noted loners, and...


    (Also my phone tried to autocorrect Zarek to Zameck. I've taught it well.)

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