Also the reason they stayed away from Earth is Earth managed to fuck them up with a giant laser (that was actually a portal to a dimension undergoing a big bang, IIRC. I could be completely off on that. A Reed Richards invention he named "the Ultimate Nullifier"). It was easy to just leave and go elsewhere than to keep getting hit by that.
I guess they're going to use that weapon again. Quite frankly I'm surprised it was never brought up after the original trilogy.
Also the reason they stayed away from Earth is Earth managed to fuck them up with a giant laser (that was actually a portal to a dimension undergoing a big bang, IIRC. I could be completely off on that. A Reed Richards invention he named "the Ultimate Nullifier"). It was easy to just leave and go elsewhere than to keep getting hit by that.
Yeah. Reed takes his dimension portal and tunes it to a universe that hasn't banged yet and sets it off with a nuke. It destroyed like 10% of the Swarm and so it buggered off for an easier meal.
Its actually a really great retroactive step towards Reeds supervillainness. Reed is angry at having the death of an entire universe on his conscience and blames Nick Fury and them's incompetence for being put in that position.
i remember him appearing in ultimates 2 where he was told he had potential and :C
I totally get that. BUt the really iffy Ultimate FF series makes him being anything but a supervillain seem ridiculous. And he did just want to make the world a better place.
WHich by the way I haven't read all of the new Ultimates and I'll hold my full opinion until then but with last issue and the MOTW scans I feels like this guy is just terrible at writing a lot of these characters.
Grim and Hulk especially but it feels like we've gotten to the point where I can say for certain that their chance to have Cap evolve after what happened to Peter was totally squandered. He's right back to being where he was during the original trade.
Man I wish Hickman could have kept writing this and Avengers.
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I'll admit I haven't read a lot of the Ultimates line, including the actual Ultimate FF. More's the pity, then, that the universe on the whole's been pretty inconsistent.
Scrapping the non USM titles would make sense to me, honestly.
Remember when Ultimate was just going to be a catchall for a fresh, modern start and they werent going to share a universe? I kinda wish that could've stayed the same.
I'll admit I haven't read a lot of the Ultimates line, including the actual Ultimate FF. More's the pity, then, that the universe on the whole's been pretty inconsistent.
Scrapping the non USM titles would make sense to me, honestly.
Remember when Ultimate was just going to be a catchall for a fresh, modern start and they werent going to share a universe? I kinda wish that could've stayed the same.
Basically Reed is depicted as similar to Peter in that he is a bright talented kid that could go far one day but almost completely accidentally the Ultimate FF run(and then Galactus) features him being pushed around and forced to compromised his morals. When the world is out of options and there is nothing they can do they turn to him. He builds weapons of mass destruction, and is bullied into all sorts of terrible things, not even to mention the amount of undeserved blame that got heaped on his head.
Basically where Peter was sheltered from the worst and ultimately able to rise above it Reed is sacrificed to stave it off.
His first plan as I recall was just to destroy any way for people to get to the Negative ZOne, and kill the people he felt was hurting the world with their shoot first, then torture it then shoot it some more attitude(Fury).
And his second plan was trying to create a better world in his twisted bitter way.
Until they kicked him out.
They had evolved past the point of anger and revenge.
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well, that's certainly a valid and understandable road to take the character down then if that was what happened to him. won't ever be a preference but with all that, yeesh.
I'll admit I haven't read a lot of the Ultimates line, including the actual Ultimate FF. More's the pity, then, that the universe on the whole's been pretty inconsistent.
Scrapping the non USM titles would make sense to me, honestly.
Remember when Ultimate was just going to be a catchall for a fresh, modern start and they werent going to share a universe? I kinda wish that could've stayed the same.
Basically Reed is depicted as similar to Peter in that he is a bright talented kid that could go far one day but almost completely accidentally the Ultimate FF run(and then Galactus) features him being pushed around and forced to compromised his morals. When the world is out of options and there is nothing they can do they turn to him. He builds weapons of mass destruction, and is bullied into all sorts of terrible things, not even to mention the amount of undeserved blame that got heaped on his head.
Basically where Peter was sheltered from the worst and ultimately able to rise above it Reed is sacrificed to stave it off.
His first plan as I recall was just to destroy any way for people to get to the Negative ZOne, and kill the people he felt was hurting the world with their shoot first, then torture it then shoot it some more attitude(Fury).
And his second plan was trying to create a better world in his twisted bitter way.
Until they kicked him out.
They had evolved past the point of anger and revenge.
Kinda ignoring thier first act where they, you know.
Kill Asgard.
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I like Ultimate Reed being a villain, because it makes 616 Reed that much more special
The idea that out of all the realities, 616 Reed is the only truly good one is great. It's a twist on the whole "evil alternate-reality mirror of the protagonist" cliche, by making him the good alternate reality mirror of all of the evil/ruthless Reeds. It makes him the best and brightest mind of all realities, rather than just one.
Also the reason they stayed away from Earth is Earth managed to fuck them up with a giant laser (that was actually a portal to a dimension undergoing a big bang, IIRC. I could be completely off on that. A Reed Richards invention he named "the Ultimate Nullifier"). It was easy to just leave and go elsewhere than to keep getting hit by that.
I guess they're going to use that weapon again. Quite frankly I'm surprised it was never brought up after the original trilogy.
If they fire it at 616 Galactus, only to have the smoke clear and him saying "Not enough gun.", they'll get all my money.
I like Ultimate Reed being a villain, because it makes 616 Reed that much more special
The idea that out of all the realities, 616 Reed is the only truly good one is great. It's a twist on the whole "evil alternate-reality mirror of the protagonist" cliche, by making him the good alternate reality mirror of all of the evil/ruthless Reeds. It makes him the best and brightest mind of all realities, rather than just one.
I always wanted 616 Reed to point out to the other Reeds who told him he could do more good by focusing on science and forgetting his family that his son is probably the most powerful person on Earth and his daughter probably the smartest, ensuring that both of them grow up to be good people would do more good than he ever could by himself.
I'll admit I haven't read a lot of the Ultimates line, including the actual Ultimate FF. More's the pity, then, that the universe on the whole's been pretty inconsistent.
Scrapping the non USM titles would make sense to me, honestly.
Remember when Ultimate was just going to be a catchall for a fresh, modern start and they werent going to share a universe? I kinda wish that could've stayed the same.
Basically Reed is depicted as similar to Peter in that he is a bright talented kid that could go far one day but almost completely accidentally the Ultimate FF run(and then Galactus) features him being pushed around and forced to compromised his morals. When the world is out of options and there is nothing they can do they turn to him. He builds weapons of mass destruction, and is bullied into all sorts of terrible things, not even to mention the amount of undeserved blame that got heaped on his head.
Basically where Peter was sheltered from the worst and ultimately able to rise above it Reed is sacrificed to stave it off.
His first plan as I recall was just to destroy any way for people to get to the Negative ZOne, and kill the people he felt was hurting the world with their shoot first, then torture it then shoot it some more attitude(Fury).
And his second plan was trying to create a better world in his twisted bitter way.
Until they kicked him out.
They had evolved past the point of anger and revenge.
Kinda ignoring thier first act where they, you know.
I'll admit I haven't read a lot of the Ultimates line, including the actual Ultimate FF. More's the pity, then, that the universe on the whole's been pretty inconsistent.
Scrapping the non USM titles would make sense to me, honestly.
Remember when Ultimate was just going to be a catchall for a fresh, modern start and they werent going to share a universe? I kinda wish that could've stayed the same.
I still say they should reboot the Ultimate universe every 10 years or so, and PLAN to have it rebooted to it can go out with a bang.
Ultimate Reed is also got blamed for nearly destroying the Supreme Universe (When it wound up being Fury's fault) and his first response to the Ultimatum Wave was to go "I'll get you, Namor!" Even after Proffessor X telepathically told all the heroes it was Magneto's fault.
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The problem with scheduled Ultimate reboots is that Ultimate Spider-Man just keeps getting better as it builds on what came before
it'd be silly to have to start over each time
and DC has shown that partial reboots are messy bullshit
Yeah, I was about to say, they've relaunched at least twice now and neither time really stuck. The whole point of the Ultimate universe was to provide a fresh take on the mythos without dumping a ton of continuity on things, and after 13 years, there's quite a bit of continuity. And quite a bit of it sucks.
To me, the Ultimate Universe shouldn't be run as the "lite" version of the 616 universe; ever present, and ever growing; it should be like a giant-ass elseworlds tale with a definite end. An attempt to tell the story of these characters without getting it's head up it's ass about continuity. Hell, don't even call it the Ultimate Universe (though I can't, for the life of me, think of a good alternate name). The Ultimate Universe was just the first iteration of the idea (Well... third I guess, with 2099 and MC2 coming before.)
As for the quality Ultimate Spider-Man, eh, I guess you got me there. Though could you imagine if we got a Ultimate 2 universe that STARTED with the death of Peter Parker and the arrival of Miles Morales? It'd be crazy how that would set the tone of sacrifice and hope for the entire line.
Y'all are crazy, Ultimate X-Men under Brian Wood is one of the best X-Men stories in the past decade or two, and Spider-Man is still such a fun book. Ultimates was def the weak point with Humphries, but seems to be really good again (so far) under Fiakov.
I think one of the strong points of the Ultimate verse currently is the fact that there is only three books, you only need to follow one book to get 99% of the Ultimates(Avengers) happenings, etc.
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I never thought of Ultimate as "616-Lite"
to me it's the universe where writers can do stories with actual consequences that would never work in the status-quo dominated main universe
Maybe they could put the entire Ultimate universe in one book per month like DC does with Earth-2? But that would mean it would have to be about Miles and wouldn't leave too much room for any other character.
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how many ultimates books are there already, 3?
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The problem with the Ultimate Universe (aside from Ultimate Spider-Man) is that it's just constantly trying to one-up itself. Its basically been an "event" since Ultimatum.
Spider-Man and X-Men (since Wood took over) are the only books actually trying to build a world and characters. Ultimates and any mini-series are like disaster movies.
The problem with the Ultimate Universe (aside from Ultimate Spider-Man) is that it's just constantly trying to one-up itself. Its basically been an "event" since Ultimatum.
Spider-Man and X-Men (since Wood took over) are the only books actually trying to build a world and characters. Ultimates and any mini-series are like disaster movies.
Iron Man and Wolverine miniseries didnt feel like events and were great character pieces.
Also, I think Ultimates might calm down somewhat after Fiakov's initial arcs
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By 616-lite, I was referring to the early stuff before everything got fucked with Ultimatum. Every series seemed to get caught in the trap of rehashing 616 storylines. Some fared better than others of course.
Bring Miles and his supporting cast into the main MU and burn the rest of the Ultimate line to the ground. Don't even explain how it happened, just give it the old Silver Age Superman treatment and be done with it.
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Bring Miles and his supporting cast into the main MU and burn the rest of the Ultimate line to the ground. Don't even explain how it happened, just give it the old Silver Age Superman treatment and be done with it.
Having failed to stop Galactus, the Ultimates come up with a plan to evacuate and save as many people as they can. Tony's managed to replicate Mysterio's dimensional gateway technology from Spider-Men, and they're sending as many people as they can through to 616-Earth. Still feeling responsible/guilty for Peter Parker's death, Captain America makes sure that Miles' family and friends are among those evacuated, and while Miles is determined to stay and help, Cap forces him through the portal at the last second.
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Bring Miles and his supporting cast into the main MU and burn the rest of the Ultimate line to the ground. Don't even explain how it happened, just give it the old Silver Age Superman treatment and be done with it.
Mmnnno... I really like X-Men so far. The whole using mutant powers to build a Utopia in interesting ways is really fun to read, I want them to go on for longer. I could take or leave the rest of the Ultimate universe, really.
Thoughts re.: Ultimate Reed and the current storyline
The last time Reed was a real dick before his final descent into villainy was when he was building the Cosmic Cube. Reason for dicketry?
Thanos. A piece of his conciousness had insinuated itself into Reed's psyche. And now Reed's assembling the Infinity Gauntlet.
Maaaybe Thanos managed to preserve a bit of himself inside Reed before he was nuked by the Cosmic Cube? Maybe he's been hanging out all this time waiting for Reed to reach a point where he can create another cube, or acquire something with comparable power?
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I guess they're going to use that weapon again. Quite frankly I'm surprised it was never brought up after the original trilogy.
Yeah. Reed takes his dimension portal and tunes it to a universe that hasn't banged yet and sets it off with a nuke. It destroyed like 10% of the Swarm and so it buggered off for an easier meal.
Its actually a really great retroactive step towards Reeds supervillainness. Reed is angry at having the death of an entire universe on his conscience and blames Nick Fury and them's incompetence for being put in that position.
I mean, I've never even bought a Transformers comic!
it's a silly thread title reference related to the event let's move on
still don't like evil reed richards
i remember him appearing in ultimates 2 where he was told he had potential and :C
I totally get that. BUt the really iffy Ultimate FF series makes him being anything but a supervillain seem ridiculous. And he did just want to make the world a better place.
WHich by the way I haven't read all of the new Ultimates and I'll hold my full opinion until then but with last issue and the MOTW scans I feels like this guy is just terrible at writing a lot of these characters.
Grim and Hulk especially but it feels like we've gotten to the point where I can say for certain that their chance to have Cap evolve after what happened to Peter was totally squandered. He's right back to being where he was during the original trade.
Man I wish Hickman could have kept writing this and Avengers.
Scrapping the non USM titles would make sense to me, honestly.
Remember when Ultimate was just going to be a catchall for a fresh, modern start and they werent going to share a universe? I kinda wish that could've stayed the same.
Basically Reed is depicted as similar to Peter in that he is a bright talented kid that could go far one day but almost completely accidentally the Ultimate FF run(and then Galactus) features him being pushed around and forced to compromised his morals. When the world is out of options and there is nothing they can do they turn to him. He builds weapons of mass destruction, and is bullied into all sorts of terrible things, not even to mention the amount of undeserved blame that got heaped on his head.
Basically where Peter was sheltered from the worst and ultimately able to rise above it Reed is sacrificed to stave it off.
His first plan as I recall was just to destroy any way for people to get to the Negative ZOne, and kill the people he felt was hurting the world with their shoot first, then torture it then shoot it some more attitude(Fury).
And his second plan was trying to create a better world in his twisted bitter way.
Until they kicked him out.
They had evolved past the point of anger and revenge.
Kinda ignoring thier first act where they, you know.
Kill Asgard.
The idea that out of all the realities, 616 Reed is the only truly good one is great. It's a twist on the whole "evil alternate-reality mirror of the protagonist" cliche, by making him the good alternate reality mirror of all of the evil/ruthless Reeds. It makes him the best and brightest mind of all realities, rather than just one.
If they fire it at 616 Galactus, only to have the smoke clear and him saying "Not enough gun.", they'll get all my money.
I always wanted 616 Reed to point out to the other Reeds who told him he could do more good by focusing on science and forgetting his family that his son is probably the most powerful person on Earth and his daughter probably the smartest, ensuring that both of them grow up to be good people would do more good than he ever could by himself.
No, that was plan two.
I still say they should reboot the Ultimate universe every 10 years or so, and PLAN to have it rebooted to it can go out with a bang.
it'd be silly to have to start over each time
and DC has shown that partial reboots are messy bullshit
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To me, the Ultimate Universe shouldn't be run as the "lite" version of the 616 universe; ever present, and ever growing; it should be like a giant-ass elseworlds tale with a definite end. An attempt to tell the story of these characters without getting it's head up it's ass about continuity. Hell, don't even call it the Ultimate Universe (though I can't, for the life of me, think of a good alternate name). The Ultimate Universe was just the first iteration of the idea (Well... third I guess, with 2099 and MC2 coming before.)
As for the quality Ultimate Spider-Man, eh, I guess you got me there. Though could you imagine if we got a Ultimate 2 universe that STARTED with the death of Peter Parker and the arrival of Miles Morales? It'd be crazy how that would set the tone of sacrifice and hope for the entire line.
I think one of the strong points of the Ultimate verse currently is the fact that there is only three books, you only need to follow one book to get 99% of the Ultimates(Avengers) happenings, etc.
"Ride or Die" confirmed Dominic Toretto, as they took off to find the Dragon Balls in hopes of reviving their friend Sonic
to me it's the universe where writers can do stories with actual consequences that would never work in the status-quo dominated main universe
Spider-Man and X-Men (since Wood took over) are the only books actually trying to build a world and characters. Ultimates and any mini-series are like disaster movies.
Iron Man and Wolverine miniseries didnt feel like events and were great character pieces.
Also, I think Ultimates might calm down somewhat after Fiakov's initial arcs
"Ride or Die" confirmed Dominic Toretto, as they took off to find the Dragon Balls in hopes of reviving their friend Sonic
Having failed to stop Galactus, the Ultimates come up with a plan to evacuate and save as many people as they can. Tony's managed to replicate Mysterio's dimensional gateway technology from Spider-Men, and they're sending as many people as they can through to 616-Earth. Still feeling responsible/guilty for Peter Parker's death, Captain America makes sure that Miles' family and friends are among those evacuated, and while Miles is determined to stay and help, Cap forces him through the portal at the last second.
Mmnnno... I really like X-Men so far. The whole using mutant powers to build a Utopia in interesting ways is really fun to read, I want them to go on for longer. I could take or leave the rest of the Ultimate universe, really.
Thoughts re.: Ultimate Reed and the current storyline
Thanos. A piece of his conciousness had insinuated itself into Reed's psyche. And now Reed's assembling the Infinity Gauntlet.
Maaaybe Thanos managed to preserve a bit of himself inside Reed before he was nuked by the Cosmic Cube? Maybe he's been hanging out all this time waiting for Reed to reach a point where he can create another cube, or acquire something with comparable power?
Spider-Man and X-Men both end their arcs, there is no solicit info for Ultimates.
Looks like the Ultimate U being blown the fuck up/rebooted is happening.