That might be a semi-ingenious plan. If Abbott steps down rather than being challenged then it will be easy to spin as "THIS IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FROM THE ALP NOTHING TO SEE HERE".
What are the odds he cooperates? He literally believes he was born to rule.
News Limited papers reported Mr Abbott was preparing to dump his signature paid parental leave scheme as a sign he was willing to listen and make compromise.
Asked about the policy, Mr Abbott said: "Look, I said before Christmas, we'd be scaling it back ... I'll have a bit more to say on PPL in the next day or so".
One MP said if Mr Abbott did not dump the policy in his speech on Monday, he would be carried out of the Press Club "in a box".
That might be a semi-ingenious plan. If Abbott steps down rather than being challenged then it will be easy to spin as "THIS IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FROM THE ALP NOTHING TO SEE HERE".
What are the odds he cooperates? He literally believes he was born to rule.
I dunno.
Probably be offered some cushy private sector job if he cooperates. The only other thing that motivates them is money and cronyism, so maybe that will win out.
That might be a semi-ingenious plan. If Abbott steps down rather than being challenged then it will be easy to spin as "THIS IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FROM THE ALP NOTHING TO SEE HERE".
What are the odds he cooperates? He literally believes he was born to rule.
I dunno.
Probably be offered some cushy private sector job if he cooperates. The only other thing that motivates them is money and cronyism, so maybe that will win out.
Otherwise, fun times ahead.
I am 90% sure I read an article that the one of the big factors in Abbott challenging for leadering of the Liberal party while it was in opposition was the larger salary.
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Federal Galaxy has blown out to 57-43 Labor. Abbott is fukt.
Forgot to mention, Shorten is leading Abbott 44-27 on PPM, which IIRC is the worst result recorded by any Australian PM in any federal poll.
EDIT: He's actually tied with Keating, who hit 27% in the Newspoll published 22 August 1993. A bunch of sites claim 17% but that seems to be based on a Wikipedia typo.
That might be a semi-ingenious plan. If Abbott steps down rather than being challenged then it will be easy to spin as "THIS IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FROM THE ALP NOTHING TO SEE HERE".
If that is their plan i think the QLD election shows it will not work. The public actually can see through at least the most obvious bullshit.
That might be a semi-ingenious plan. If Abbott steps down rather than being challenged then it will be easy to spin as "THIS IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FROM THE ALP NOTHING TO SEE HERE".
What are the odds he cooperates? He literally believes he was born to rule.
Queensland MPs Jane Prentice and Warren Entsch have both said there now need to be "discussions" about the issue, but Tony Abbott says he will not resign.
"The people of Australia elected me as Prime Minister and they elected my government to get on with the job of governing our country," he told reporters in Sydney today. "The important thing is not to navel-gaze, it's not to look at ourselves, it's to get on with the job of being a better Government."
Looks like the only way this ends is with heads on pikes.
If you've got a taste for something sweet and sour, try some of these people's tears.
So Ashgrove is gone? If the LNP loses it I would withdraw every cent of funding promises, and tell them to speak to Kate Jones if they want spending in that seat.
Can we call it Queenslandistan yet?
Tragic to even be thinking this way.
That Australia’s greatest state could be reduced to what it is, makes you wanta cry. Bligh & Beattie should get 212 years jail.
To think you fucking people are going to throw them out after one fucking term.
I can’t fucking believe this country. Why do you fucking people love big government so much? It fucking sickens me.
QLD politically has been for some time like Tasmania only bigger and further North.
I dispute that. Both SA and Victoria are both far worse. Where I’m sure we can both agree is that Australia across the board is fast becoming one huge socialist toilet.
Honestly, the ABC is a complete and utter disgrace. Knighting The Duke was a political misstep because the LNP have been totally AWOL in every other area. However, if it was announced at the same time as announcing that the ABC would be completely defunded then it would have been a political master stroke.
If you've got a taste for something sweet and sour, try some of these people's tears.
So Ashgrove is gone? If the LNP loses it I would withdraw every cent of funding promises, and tell them to speak to Kate Jones if they want spending in that seat.
Can we call it Queenslandistan yet?
Tragic to even be thinking this way.
That Australia’s greatest state could be reduced to what it is, makes you wanta cry. Bligh & Beattie should get 212 years jail.
To think you fucking people are going to throw them out after one fucking term.
I can’t fucking believe this country. Why do you fucking people love big government so much? It fucking sickens me.
QLD politically has been for some time like Tasmania only bigger and further North.
I dispute that. Both SA and Victoria are both far worse. Where I’m sure we can both agree is that Australia across the board is fast becoming one huge socialist toilet.
Honestly, the ABC is a complete and utter disgrace. Knighting The Duke was a political misstep because the LNP have been totally AWOL in every other area. However, if it was announced at the same time as announcing that the ABC would be completely defunded then it would have been a political master stroke.
If you've got a taste for something sweet and sour, try some of these people's tears.
So Ashgrove is gone? If the LNP loses it I would withdraw every cent of funding promises, and tell them to speak to Kate Jones if they want spending in that seat.
Newman tried that, didn't work out so well
Also it's down right adorable that they consider labour Socialist.
If you've got a taste for something sweet and sour, try some of these people's tears.
So Ashgrove is gone? If the LNP loses it I would withdraw every cent of funding promises, and tell them to speak to Kate Jones if they want spending in that seat.
Newman tried that, didn't work out so well
Also it's down right adorable that they consider labour Socialist.
Well, they're not that wrong. The ALP is meant to be a democratic socialist party.
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So Ashgrove is gone? If the LNP loses it I would withdraw every cent of funding promises, and tell them to speak to Kate Jones if they want spending in that seat.
Newman tried that, didn't work out so well
Also it's down right adorable that they consider labour Socialist.
Well, they're not that wrong. The ALP is meant to be a democratic socialist party.
Yeah, and the 'Liberals' are meant to be Liberals.
Although they use the older meaning, which is closer to modern libertarians than modern liberals. Their liberal focus is on economics rather than society.
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So Ashgrove is gone? If the LNP loses it I would withdraw every cent of funding promises, and tell them to speak to Kate Jones if they want spending in that seat.
Newman tried that, didn't work out so well
Also it's down right adorable that they consider labour Socialist.
Well, they're not that wrong. The ALP is meant to be a democratic socialist party.
Yeah, and the 'Liberals' are meant to be Liberals.
"Liberal" in the modern US context is not remotely its original meaning. They were never meant to be that kind.
However, even if you use the right definition they don't stick to it. As much as they are wanting a liberal economy they're very happy for the government to subsidize companies or outright do companies' jobs for free (with the profit going to the companies). So they're not really liberal anyway.
Watching that video of Tony Abbott speaking to the press is very nearly physical painful. I don't think he actually said a single thing of substance, just platitudes of "we're cleaning up Labor's mess and building a better Australia." I know he wants to believe that simply saying something repeatedly makes it true, but it kind of doesn't.
I know he wants to believe that simply saying something repeatedly makes it true, but it kind of doesn't.
Well repetition is the most basic and ancient form of brainwashing. Maybe Abbott is hoping it works like it did for the 2013 election...
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And you might even trigger the other really nasty memory bias, where people judge things to be more true when they've forgotten the source, ie who said it.
I know, logically it should be the other way around, but we had to invent logic for a reason.
Fortunately that one takes time. Time he may not have.
So does repeating things until they are true.
And both can be defused by lots of other people saying "No that's not true" and reminding you who the source is and why you shouldn't trust them.
Honestly though, he's tossing out trite shit because that is all there is to Abbot. He's never been anything else. Without anyone to think up ideas for him he has nothing.
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Watching that video of Tony Abbott speaking to the press is very nearly physical painful. I don't think he actually said a single thing of substance, just platitudes of "we're cleaning up Labor's mess and building a better Australia." I know he wants to believe that simply saying something repeatedly makes it true, but it kind of doesn't.
"Obviously there are lessons to be learnt from the results in Queensland, the lessons are not to give up on reform, but to make sure that everything you propose is fully explained and justified."
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I've rarely seen denial in such splendid form, but Tony never fails to disappoint...
Haha, they're already blaming it on unions. Amazing.
A shitty campaign from both parties, but at least it's a kick in the pants for the Liberals.
it's a union group called not4sale that appears to be working with the co-operation of the labor party
like, labor's guys were right there sharing drinks with the union guys and encouraging them to keep it up
but it's not technically labor and you could not prove that it was in a court of law
That's not an excuse for a giant swing vote across the entire state. The union isn't responsible for that, the shitty tactics and policies of the LNP are.
Haha, they're already blaming it on unions. Amazing.
A shitty campaign from both parties, but at least it's a kick in the pants for the Liberals.
it's a union group called not4sale that appears to be working with the co-operation of the labor party
like, labor's guys were right there sharing drinks with the union guys and encouraging them to keep it up
but it's not technically labor and you could not prove that it was in a court of law
That's not an excuse for a giant swing vote across the entire state. The union isn't responsible for that, the shitty tactics and policies of the LNP are.
Pretty much this. I wouldn't say unions don't help Labor at all - Labor's always held close union ties, not that this is inherently a bad thing, and we have seen unions mobilise en mass to defeat policies such as Workchoices - but it's another instance in this particular case of the Liberals blaming everything they can think of that isn't their terrible policies that actually did them in (such as unions, bikies, the electorate "misunderstanding", failing to explain decisions, and marketing in general).
Queensland's Electrical Trades Union has launched defamation action against the LNP and The Courier Mail over allegations criminal bikies provided "wads of cash" to unions and the Labor party.
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I'm okay with people getting called on their bullshit. Don't really care how it happens. I'm sick of people running off their mouths without reprisal.
So go ETU I say.
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As expected, that "make or break" speech by Abbott was pathetic. They could have literally sent in a video cut together from every other speech he's made and you wouldn't have known the difference. And taking credit for the drop in petrol prices? Really?
A rather nice encapsulation of everything to loathe about the man. Maybe the most telling thing is that he's still acting like an opposition leader after so long in office.
However, nowhere did Abbott acknowledge that his Government’s proposed Budget cuts were fundamentally unfair, targeted primarily at the young (e.g. university cuts/fee rises and reducing access to unemployment benefits) and disadvantaged, while leaving the swathe of tax expenditures benefiting richer, older Australians (e.g. superannuation concessions, negative gearing, and CGT concessions) untouched. And nowhere did Abbott suggest that the Government would take a fairer approach to Budget policy in the future. He simply referred to “strong economy” as fair.
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Abbott also claimed credit for the improvements in the Australian economy, including stronger jobs growth (despite rising unemployment), record housing approvals and, curiously, lower petrol prices. He also championed the Government’s planned infrastructure spend, while attacking the Victorian Labor Party’s cancelling of the East-West Link Project, without acknowledging that the project failed a basic cost-benefit analysis.
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"(The East-West Link) is a classic example of what goes wrong when in a fit of absent mindedness people elect Labor governments."
But we need to be candid about the challenges we face.
The drift of the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd years cannot continue.
Standing still on reform means going backwards on living standards.
Just a few years back, under the Howard government, we were quite literally the envy of the world.
In 2007, we had a strong and sustainable budget with a $20 billion surplus and $50 billion in the bank.
After six years of Labor, the deficit had blown out to $50 billion and gross debt was skyrocketing towards $667 billion.
Under Labor, government was spending too much; borrowing too much; and paying out too much dead money in interest alone.
We can’t wait for a crisis – like Europe – to address this problem because the solutions then will be much worse than the solutions today.
Our problem is not that taxes are too low; our problem is that government spending is too high.
We are writing cheques that our children and grandchildren will have to meet through higher taxes, higher interest rates and poorer services.
Right now, we’re borrowing $1 billion a month just to pay the interest on debt that the former Labor government ran up.
That’s right – one thousand million every month to pay Labor’s interest bill – that’s a brand new tertiary hospital that could be built every single month if Labor’s interest bill did not have to be paid.
And without structural change, within a decade, we’d be borrowing $3 billion a month just to pay the interest on Commonwealth debt.
So – let’s spend the money we have to on the things we really need; and let’s borrow where we must, to invest judiciously in a stronger Australia for the future – but let’s stop borrowing just to meet the ordinary expenses of government.
Did Tony bring a speech from the election campaign by mistake?
Wow, Abbot is amazingly tone deaf. Just trotting out the same tired old lines.
As I remember it we were still the envy of the world after 2007 since we survived the Global financial crisis without going into recession. As I remember it Labor didn't wait for a crisis, they averted it.
There may be merit in a call for financial reform but an Abbot led LNP are not the people for the job.
this is the party of "everybody pays 50% taxes" after all *glares at Hockey*
i think it's a small price to ask that either a) the treasurer understands progressive taxation or b) the treasurer does not attempt to deliberately mislead the public about progressive taxation
Abbott says "it's the public who hires and fires, I am going to respect that" when speaking of the prime ministership.
When that is explicitly NOT how the prime minister is elected.
Eh, barely anyone knows that though. And no one wants to learn it either.
What he is doing is trying to yell at his colleagues that doom lies ahead if they axe him.
Yeah that part wasn't for us. It was for everykne sharpening knives.
Yeah, I've read through the text of the speech.
It was 50% blaming Labor, 25% trying to convince people to put the knives down, 10% reminding people about about how he killed the carbon tax and only he can keep it dead and the last 15% was a mish mash.
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What are the odds he cooperates? He literally believes he was born to rule.
Ouch.
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I dunno.
Probably be offered some cushy private sector job if he cooperates. The only other thing that motivates them is money and cronyism, so maybe that will win out.
Otherwise, fun times ahead.
I am 90% sure I read an article that the one of the big factors in Abbott challenging for leadering of the Liberal party while it was in opposition was the larger salary.
EDIT: He's actually tied with Keating, who hit 27% in the Newspoll published 22 August 1993. A bunch of sites claim 17% but that seems to be based on a Wikipedia typo.
Amazing.
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If that is their plan i think the QLD election shows it will not work. The public actually can see through at least the most obvious bullshit.
Me neither.
I'd say the odds are currently hovering around zero.
Looks like the only way this ends is with heads on pikes.
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Newman tried that, didn't work out so well
Also it's down right adorable that they consider labour Socialist.
Yeah, and the 'Liberals' are meant to be Liberals.
"Liberal" in the modern US context is not remotely its original meaning. They were never meant to be that kind.
Well repetition is the most basic and ancient form of brainwashing. Maybe Abbott is hoping it works like it did for the 2013 election...
I know, logically it should be the other way around, but we had to invent logic for a reason.
Fortunately that one takes time. Time he may not have.
So does repeating things until they are true.
And both can be defused by lots of other people saying "No that's not true" and reminding you who the source is and why you shouldn't trust them.
Honestly though, he's tossing out trite shit because that is all there is to Abbot. He's never been anything else. Without anyone to think up ideas for him he has nothing.
it's a union group called not4sale that appears to be working with the co-operation of the labor party
like, labor's guys were right there sharing drinks with the union guys and encouraging them to keep it up
but it's not technically labor and you could not prove that it was in a court of law
That's not an excuse for a giant swing vote across the entire state. The union isn't responsible for that, the shitty tactics and policies of the LNP are.
Pretty much this. I wouldn't say unions don't help Labor at all - Labor's always held close union ties, not that this is inherently a bad thing, and we have seen unions mobilise en mass to defeat policies such as Workchoices - but it's another instance in this particular case of the Liberals blaming everything they can think of that isn't their terrible policies that actually did them in (such as unions, bikies, the electorate "misunderstanding", failing to explain decisions, and marketing in general).
Speaking of which, everybody is still suing everybody.
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So go ETU I say.
A rather nice encapsulation of everything to loathe about the man. Maybe the most telling thing is that he's still acting like an opposition leader after so long in office.
Edit: The recriminations have begun
http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/02/abbotts-press-club-speech-misses/
Edit 2: Yes, Abbott. It's the fault of the nasty voters.
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Did Tony bring a speech from the election campaign by mistake?
As I remember it we were still the envy of the world after 2007 since we survived the Global financial crisis without going into recession. As I remember it Labor didn't wait for a crisis, they averted it.
There may be merit in a call for financial reform but an Abbot led LNP are not the people for the job.
When that is explicitly NOT how the prime minister is elected.
Eh, barely anyone knows that though. And no one wants to learn it either.
What he is doing is trying to yell at his colleagues that doom lies ahead if they axe him.
Yeah that part wasn't for us. It was for everykne sharpening knives.
Yes, but when the PM's party is kicked out the PM goes with them.
i think it's a small price to ask that either a) the treasurer understands progressive taxation or b) the treasurer does not attempt to deliberately mislead the public about progressive taxation
Yeah, I've read through the text of the speech.
It was 50% blaming Labor, 25% trying to convince people to put the knives down, 10% reminding people about about how he killed the carbon tax and only he can keep it dead and the last 15% was a mish mash.