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[Spoilers]State of the Mignolaverse

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  • chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Registered User regular
    I'd started to feel less enthused about the Mignola-verse a while back. The apocalyptic atmosphere of BPRD/Abe was beginning to drag as it all started to feel so hopeless. Hellboy in Hell was a little too obscure and plot light for me. Even 1952 seemed a little been there, done that.

    Today I picked up Frankenstein Underground and, Wow. Now that's what I'm on board the Mignola-verse for! A perfect mix of plot to action and for once a non-nihilistic ending! Throw in the call back to one of my absolute favourite BPRD stories with the collection guy and I absolutely loved it.

    All keen to try and catch back up now, and looks like I've got quite a way to go. Last read Abe vol 5 and BPRD vol 9. I see there's a Hellboy in Hell vol 2 now as well.

    Edit: Reading up thread I'm glad to see my views seem to be shared. Also just saw the 'The Visitor' announcement. I always wondered if we'd go back re-visit those alien guys.

    We've known the world was going to end since Plague of Frogs. BPRD and Hellboy became very much a Armageddon/Ragnarok style story with the heroes fighting to deny their enemies the right to remake the world in *their* image. The human race is most likely done on Earth, but that's not necessarily a bad thing given what we've seen in other books.
    Hell has been destroyed, lost souls can be redeemed, there's a small, quiet underground being preserved for mankind to be the next "mythological" creatures like the elves once were.

    So yeah, the world is ending, I don't agree it's hopeless though. There's still some cards left to play.
    Didn't Hellboy save England? Like, he spent his "Fuck you, Fate!" card to set it up so's that when the apocalypse is come and gone, merry old England still lives on, safely removed from the complete shitstorm everyone else gets to deal with.

  • manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    Kind of, he saved:
    Mythical England, a sort of pocket universe run by Alice. Real England still had problems like a necromancer summoning the corpses of giants killed by King Arthur's army and what not.

  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The PIT, level 26Registered User regular
    England is now
    basically the site of the new Garden of Eden. Hellboy's blood has caused a new world tree to grow, and the whole place gives off a kind of fairyland vibe. I think it's meant to act as the final refuge from the Ogdru Jahad, preserving everything that can be preserved of the old world before its purged in flame, so that a new world can be born.

    Abe was there briefly but was sent back into the world to fulfill his destiny, which I think might be to lead all the survivors to the new garden, and from there into the new world. I guess we'll find out soon.

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  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The PIT, level 26Registered User regular
    Well, that happened. Kind of, uh... huh.
    I like Johann tapping the power of the universe to butcher the Ogdru Jahad.

    Everything else, not so much.

    What of the new world, born from the new Garden of Eden? What of the new race of man that was to inherit it? The world just putters back to pretty much what it was before as the dormant Ogdru Hem are slaughtered one by one? Roads and cities go back up? Liz, the incarnation of the vril, just an average joe? Happy ending is great and all, the BPRD persisting is neat, could be a few neat stories there, but... after all the apocalypse promise, it being aborted so suddenly sort've leaves me cold.

    The one comment of the spirit of the Sledgehammer armor to Johann about 'what's coming', that saving the Earth now only delays the inevitable. A seed of a future story? Maybe. There's stuff that could be addressed. The last demon kicking around Earth. Hyperborea. What's going to happen with Abe. And for a new big bad with the Ogdru Jahad out of the way, there's always the source of the Ogdru Jahad's power, Ereshigal, 'who is Queen and Lord over the Great Darkness between Worlds.'

    And is Hellboy really gone? Like, for really real? In a universe with afterlives, what does that mean? We never did find out if there really is a heaven, after all...

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  • Bobby DerieBobby Derie Registered User regular
    Ghost dammit.
    It's the end of the world, is it too damn much to ask for something big and ugly to step on Devon? He has to be the most unpleasant BPRD character ever. Also, I guess we still have sword-dude hanging around...somewhere. Haven't seen him in a bit.

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  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The PIT, level 26Registered User regular
    That's true.
    There's actually still a lot of people that survived who I thought wouldn't. Those mad scientists who worked for Rasputin and then the Black Flame - that creepy masked guy, that head he was in love with, pretty sure Igor-guy lived. Sword-guy, who is awesome.

    There's enough good and bad folk out there that it can still be business as usual for the BPRD. Which I think is what I find so off-putting, because I really was not expecting that. The dragons fall, the titans rise, and... its business as usual. Of all the things I didn't see coming, that was one of them.

    The Hellboy in Hell side of things was really the opposite. There were lots of story-hooks there - what Edward Gray was going to get up to in Hellboy's place, what Hellboy was going to do with himself in Hell. The titan Pluto being hinted at as a possible major villain. In the end Hellboy said 'nope,' and things ended.

    I am always a sucker for a narrative that keeps on going, though...

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  • Bobby DerieBobby Derie Registered User regular
    Yeah, if there's one guarantee, it's that things aren't over yet.

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  • Linespider5Linespider5 flossing afficionado. Registered User regular
    Y'know...I wonder a little. I don't know if this is crazy or what, but.

    Jack Kirby's 4th World. His whole New Gods deal, and all that could have been.

    Obviously, Kirby's talent, vision, and skill are undeniable. He is...Atlas, almost, for how influential and world-shaping he is. And the 4th World being arguably his most undiluted, self-edited work points to it be the quintessence of Kirby. A quintessence unfinished.

    Mignola is certainly a student of Kirby, but Mignola has carved out a little empire of influence, and has cleared the way for himself. And so, Hellboy, et al, get to be carried out to the end. Or, at least, an end as Mignola sees fit to decide. Not exactly the same glory that could be found in an incomplete tapestry, is it?

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  • Bobby DerieBobby Derie Registered User regular
    They also have the Theosophical link...but I think, to hark back to the Empowered thread - "Does Spider-Man end?" Mignola isn't done with his work yet - might never be.

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  • Linespider5Linespider5 flossing afficionado. Registered User regular
    There's a lot of money in that red right hand, but I seriously wonder how 'done' Mignola is unless he unveils a new concept that is cheerfully independent of all things Hellboy.

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  • Bobby DerieBobby Derie Registered User regular
    Can't say he hasn't tried a few things. Baltimore & Joe Golem come to mind.

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  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The PIT, level 26Registered User regular
    I took a look at Rise of the Black Flame so far, and I'm now more convinced than ever that the Mignolaverse is ramping up from the Ogrdu Jahad to Ereshkigal as the main evil, with the OJ, Black Flame, and possibly Hecate and similar as different manifestations of this evil force, the counter to vril. So there's stories built around that to look forwards to.

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  • Linespider5Linespider5 flossing afficionado. Registered User regular
    Can't say he hasn't tried a few things. Baltimore & Joe Golem come to mind.

    I'd widely assumed that Baltimore was inexorably destined to be part of the Mignolaverse if it wasn't already. I guess I'm of a weird mind on this-Mignola has certain topics and affectations that are undeniably his own, and he cast a mighty huge net tackling all the things that could work within the framework of Hellboy. He's certainly much less guilty of repeating himself than other comics creators often are...but when I say something 'new' I mean something utterly unlike Hellboy's knotted tapestry of occult history, cosmic underworlds, and unfinished business from WW2.

    And yes, this is me at the banquet hall, scorning the feast, I know. Mignola can do whatever the hell he wants to. But unless he goes somewhere we haven't seen him go before, I'm gonna guess he's not quite left Hellboy behind for good yet.

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  • Jam WarriorJam Warrior Registered User regular
    Just read The Devil's Wings.

    Hurrah BPRD can still be fun! Renewed enthusiasm to catch up.

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  • sullijosullijo mid-level minion subterranean bunkerRegistered User regular
    Interview with Hellboy editor Scott Allie about 2017: http://www.multiversitycomics.com/interviews/mignolaversity2017_01/

    Confirms that the next BPRD story cycle will debut this year.

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  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The PIT, level 26Registered User regular
    sullijo wrote: »
    Interview with Hellboy editor Scott Allie about 2017: http://www.multiversitycomics.com/interviews/mignolaversity2017_01/

    Confirms that the next BPRD story cycle will debut this year.

    Nice, many new stories to look forwards to.

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