Huh. I recall a bunch of supernatural stuff in season 1. :P
The motives for the bad guys, their final place is named and stylised after this spooky fictional city of monsters and then Rust literally sees a portal to space.
so there weren't any literal demons from hell. The story was very steeped in the occult.
Having whiffs of occult is one thing. Having actual supernatural stuff is another. What people believe =! what is actually real.
Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a mushroom, etc.
Huh. I recall a bunch of supernatural stuff in season 1. :P
The motives for the bad guys, their final place is named and stylised after this spooky fictional city of monsters and then Rust literally sees a portal to space.
so there weren't any literal demons from hell. The story was very steeped in the occult.
There was nothing explicitly supernatural in s1 of True Detective. The King in Yellow doesn't exist in that world as the piece of fiction it does in our world. References to that stuff were just in name. And while the cult itself obviously had crazy ideas about ascending to the outer loop or whatever, none of it was real.
And Rust doesn't actually see that. It's a hallucination brought on by intense fear and anxiety that caused him to be caught off guard. There was a ton of crazy ideas in s1, but nothing actually supernatural. There were no actual monsters and what not, beyond the people doing monstrous things.
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Huh. I recall a bunch of supernatural stuff in season 1. :P
The motives for the bad guys, their final place is named and stylised after this spooky fictional city of monsters and then Rust literally sees a portal to space.
so there weren't any literal demons from hell. The story was very steeped in the occult.
There was nothing explicitly supernatural in s1 of True Detective. The King in Yellow doesn't exist in that world as the piece of fiction it does in our world. References to that stuff were just in name. And while the cult itself obviously had crazy ideas about ascending to the outer loop or whatever, none of it was real.
And Rust doesn't actually see that. It's a hallucination brought on by intense fear and anxiety that caused him to be caught off guard. There was a ton of crazy ideas in s1, but nothing actually supernatural. There were no actual monsters and what not, beyond the people doing monstrous things.
Quoting so that I can agree with this a second time. Hard.
Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a mushroom, etc.
I dunno...Rust's Beer Can Carving could have been some subtle occult magic to get them to let him go...
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Personally, I think the best occult stuff is really ambiguous anyway. It's not gonna be a werewolf that gets shot in broad daylight and is wheeled into a morgue for study. Occult is a thing happening and you don't know what the fuck it was, and the people who think it is something are probably just delusional and crazy anyway. On that front, True Detective did just fine.
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Yeah, that's what I meant. Obviously a portal to Carcosa didn't really open. I didn't mean real tangible supernatural stuff occurs, just that it informs everything the bad guys want and do. :P
Gotta say now that we are getting closer to the show coming back I am starting to get excited now. I'm feeling good about it.
dammit. while i like the focus on character work he mentions i don't like the idea of going for a grounded crime story but i'm sure he knows what he's doing.
Yeah, anyone who can churn out something like the first season of True Detective gets the benefit of the doubt from me, but it's like they wrote a list of stuff I liked about the first season and specifically set out to remove that from the second season.
I have to wonder if he's annoyed about the outsized attention the occult aspects got (and, more cynically, the attention those aspects drew away from him and over to Chambers, whom he apparently doesn't think much of despite everything) and set out the remove them for that reason alone.
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The next season is going to be the last episode of the first season remixed endlessly.
It will drive men mad, with its non-Euclidean plot lines and alien, unstable, indescribable character examination.
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no occult stuff is kind of a bummer
and the stuff from the first season is ambiguous enough that you can do whatever you want with it, which is why I liked it
I've said it before, but I expect season 2 of True Detective to be a lot more like Pizzolatto's novel Galveston than s1 of True Detective. They have some great actors to work with, so I look forward to it. IMO S1 of True Detective didn't need any of the occult underpinnings anyway. The best part of the show was just the two leads delivering great performances, showing how a case changed their lives over a couple decades.
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The fact that there were no crazy occult goings on and ending made season one the most elaborate, exquisitely sculpted, diamond encrusted turd I have ever seen.
The fact that there were no crazy occult goings on and ending made season one the most elaborate, exquisitely sculpted, diamond encrusted turd I have ever seen.
I can understand this sentiment, but can't for my life agree with it:
1) Supernatural occurrences/creatures are straight up hard as shit to give a "dignified" portrayal in movies, even more so for television I'd wager. I'd say it hardly couldn't be done within the down-to-earth TD setting and series, so I very much understand skipping out on it. 2) The BBEG certainly was creepy and menacing enough to fit the horror genre so that base is covered imo.
I liked the mythos implications in TD very much but the series kinda is like that ol' Asylum/Session 9 movie, only even lighter on the supernatural side: You could assume the mythos exists within the setting, the protagonists were just lucky enough to never really run into it proper (some of Rust's visions aside). It could all have been a sham, changes nothing.
The occult stuff was one of the least important parts of True Detective for me. It's down there with the show being set in Louisiana vice Mississippi or them being state police instead of local. All of those things change the story but not in any important way compared to the character stories or performance.
Season 1 was probably the best way to portray the occult in a real-world setting. It informs the decisions of characters, it gives events a sense of mystery and meaning. But it's never explicitly shown as something unambiguously real. This is basically the closest you can get to occult realism in a story, and that's one of the reasons why I love the first season so much.
Actually scratch that. The occult not being real is pretty good cause it means every murder committed served no purpose beyond furthering the depravity of man. Which is way more disturbing than magic.
the feeling of dread and horror being tied to the nihilism and antihumanism was really potent for me, and is what i want from season 2
they could make the show about skinny office drones pushing paper if they could achieve the twinning of personal and existential dread that we got from season 1
it might also end up just being a totally solid murder mystery/character drama, which is fine, if disappointing
the feeling of dread and horror being tied to the nihilism and antihumanism was really potent for me, and is what i want from season 2
they could make the show about skinny office drones pushing paper if they could achieve the twinning of personal and existential dread that we got from season 1
it might also end up just being a totally solid murder mystery/character drama, which is fine, if disappointing
Or it could be about something else while not just being a simple mystery/character drama. Not every season has to be about creeping existential dread.
the feeling of dread and horror being tied to the nihilism and antihumanism was really potent for me, and is what i want from season 2
they could make the show about skinny office drones pushing paper if they could achieve the twinning of personal and existential dread that we got from season 1
it might also end up just being a totally solid murder mystery/character drama, which is fine, if disappointing
Or it could be about something else while not just being a simple mystery/character drama. Not every season has to be about creeping existential dread.
i mean, i guess it could, if you're into that
i'd like fifty minutes of my TV becoming a gaping empty socket in the skull of vast cosmic nothingness, though
maybe he'll pick a different philosophical stance for which a brooding character will act as a mouthpiece
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the feeling of dread and horror being tied to the nihilism and antihumanism was really potent for me, and is what i want from season 2
they could make the show about skinny office drones pushing paper if they could achieve the twinning of personal and existential dread that we got from season 1
it might also end up just being a totally solid murder mystery/character drama, which is fine, if disappointing
Or it could be about something else while not just being a simple mystery/character drama. Not every season has to be about creeping existential dread.
i mean, i guess it could, if you're into that
i'd like fifty minutes of my TV becoming a gaping empty socket in the skull of vast cosmic nothingness, though
maybe he'll pick a different philosophical stance for which a brooding character will act as a mouthpiece
A second season of 'maybe it's supernatural' doesn't work nearly as well because you already know about s1.
I never felt it was core to the story. The core was the absurdity and vileness of the events, the extent of the corruption in small town government, the sacrifice that was needed for doing the right thing, and the imperfect main characters that don't learn nearly as much the average hero does, but still find themselves being heroes at the end by making the right decisions when it matters.
it's going to be like that game of thrones episode where the gnome fire mage saved the party with a clutch POE pyroblast and it was never spoken of again
seems to me the reviews of season 2 are being extra savage because "It's not all the things we liked about season 1!" rather than "This show is objectively bad on it's own merits!"
Spends a bit too much time highlighting how Pizzolatto is an asshole, but I have a suspicion that the observations regarding the male leads and their delivery is likely accurate. Nevertheless, the review is relatively positive.
They only watched three episodes, much like Sense8 got destroyed in reviews, cause yeah those first 3 sucked.
I wanna believe they couldn't shit the bed that badly, but one detail that's come out is that
It's a linear story, no flashback duel narrative stuff
which seems like a very strange thing to drop.
The flashback dual-narrative thing was important to the story being told in season 1 - how this case had impacted the lives of these two broken men over many years.
If this story ends up more in-the-moment and without the need of doing a bunch of age makeup on the cast then that isn't the biggest loss. In truth it would have possibly felt contrived if he went back to the same framing device well again.
We will see. I went into True Detective completely blind and I was rewarded with a really good show. Maybe it will happen again, maybe not, but I am not gonna cry foul at the temerity of the writer to try and not be too constrained by the success of what he did last season.
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Having whiffs of occult is one thing. Having actual supernatural stuff is another. What people believe =! what is actually real.
There was nothing explicitly supernatural in s1 of True Detective. The King in Yellow doesn't exist in that world as the piece of fiction it does in our world. References to that stuff were just in name. And while the cult itself obviously had crazy ideas about ascending to the outer loop or whatever, none of it was real.
And Rust doesn't actually see that. It's a hallucination brought on by intense fear and anxiety that caused him to be caught off guard. There was a ton of crazy ideas in s1, but nothing actually supernatural. There were no actual monsters and what not, beyond the people doing monstrous things.
Quoting so that I can agree with this a second time. Hard.
Gotta say now that we are getting closer to the show coming back I am starting to get excited now. I'm feeling good about it.
dammit. while i like the focus on character work he mentions i don't like the idea of going for a grounded crime story but i'm sure he knows what he's doing.
It will drive men mad, with its non-Euclidean plot lines and alien, unstable, indescribable character examination.
and the stuff from the first season is ambiguous enough that you can do whatever you want with it, which is why I liked it
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1) Supernatural occurrences/creatures are straight up hard as shit to give a "dignified" portrayal in movies, even more so for television I'd wager. I'd say it hardly couldn't be done within the down-to-earth TD setting and series, so I very much understand skipping out on it. 2) The BBEG certainly was creepy and menacing enough to fit the horror genre so that base is covered imo.
I liked the mythos implications in TD very much but the series kinda is like that ol' Asylum/Session 9 movie, only even lighter on the supernatural side: You could assume the mythos exists within the setting, the protagonists were just lucky enough to never really run into it proper (some of Rust's visions aside). It could all have been a sham, changes nothing.
exactly
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they could make the show about skinny office drones pushing paper if they could achieve the twinning of personal and existential dread that we got from season 1
it might also end up just being a totally solid murder mystery/character drama, which is fine, if disappointing
Or it could be about something else while not just being a simple mystery/character drama. Not every season has to be about creeping existential dread.
everything
i mean, i guess it could, if you're into that
i'd like fifty minutes of my TV becoming a gaping empty socket in the skull of vast cosmic nothingness, though
maybe he'll pick a different philosophical stance for which a brooding character will act as a mouthpiece
I never felt it was core to the story. The core was the absurdity and vileness of the events, the extent of the corruption in small town government, the sacrifice that was needed for doing the right thing, and the imperfect main characters that don't learn nearly as much the average hero does, but still find themselves being heroes at the end by making the right decisions when it matters.
Doesn't quite work in LA unless you do like a scientology angle, but that's not super interesting.
HBO loves the long con.
nor possible because your legal systems and scientology's propensity for taking people to court for anything.
But only after you rename yourself to Simon Phoenix.
I wanna believe they couldn't shit the bed that badly, but one detail that's come out is that
which seems like a very strange thing to drop.
Spends a bit too much time highlighting how Pizzolatto is an asshole, but I have a suspicion that the observations regarding the male leads and their delivery is likely accurate. Nevertheless, the review is relatively positive.
If this story ends up more in-the-moment and without the need of doing a bunch of age makeup on the cast then that isn't the biggest loss. In truth it would have possibly felt contrived if he went back to the same framing device well again.
We will see. I went into True Detective completely blind and I was rewarded with a really good show. Maybe it will happen again, maybe not, but I am not gonna cry foul at the temerity of the writer to try and not be too constrained by the success of what he did last season.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...