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Hard times

But you can call meBut you can call me Grand Divina AngelaRegistered User regular
My family, which is to say me my wife and our two children, will very probably be homeless at the beginning of next month. The family member we were living with has decided they don't want us around anymore. The emergency housing people haven't had anything open up yet. We call every morning to let them know we still need help, but right now that's all we can do. Soon we'll be alternating between sleeping in shelters (first come first serve cots, that sort of thing) and the living room of my wife's coworker on nights we can't get into the shelter. That's assuming the coworker's generous offer is genuine, which is difficult for me to believe after the number of times we've been fucked over by "friends". If that doesn't work out we'll be sleeping in the car. There's a possibility we'll have to send our children away to live with their grandparents.

So let's talk about hard times in our lives. We can commiserate about financial difficulty, being betrayed by loved ones, or even just a crappy day at work. Let's remember that we're not alone in hardship.

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    EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    That sounds terrible. Why are you, your wife, and two children at the behest of family/friends for housing rather than securing your own residence? Have you looked into welfare or alternative social support plans?

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    But you can call meBut you can call me Grand Divina Angela Registered User regular
    We were evicted from our apartment, and my mother allowed us to live with her. She's changed her mind for reasons she has declined to share with us. We are on as much government support as we can be.

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    Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Is there a Studio 6 or something like it near you?

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    But you can call meBut you can call me Grand Divina Angela Registered User regular
    We investigated extended stay hotels, and we aren't able to afford it right now.

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    EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    If the options are shelters or living out of the car, you probably are better off long term by sending the kids to the grandparents house and spending a few months getting some foundations laid for longer term stability. That way they have a consistent and safe environment while things are getting sorted out, and you and your wife have more time to spend finding work and saving up to set up an apartment for when you can call them back.

    It sucks, but a couple months of nose to the grindstone can go a long way when you are giving 1k% towards setup. Get in contact with your municipal aid office and look into what supported housing programs are in your area. Most cities of size will have a goodly number of rent-assisted communities if your income is within the qualification range (which it sounds like is the case). The federal listing for the US can be found here, and it's a pretty solid website to track down local area assistance. Even if it doesn't have something near you, if you both don't have stable income moving where you can get assistance may be a good idea (http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/topics/rental_assistance )

    Just remember: no matter how much it sucks short term, long term planning is the best for your kids.

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    Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    My life is actually pretty good, sorry bout ya problems man. Hope things get better

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    But you can call meBut you can call me Grand Divina Angela Registered User regular
    Please believe me when I tell you that I am much more able to determine what is best for my children than you are. Sending them to live with grandparents is an absolute last resort. I'm not interested in discussing this further.

    While I appreciate your suggestions regarding housing, we are already looking into things. I didn't really make this thread to seek advice. I wanted to talk to people with similar experiences, and to make a place to talk about the various hardships of living in general.

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    EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    Please believe me when I tell you that I am much more able to determine what is best for my children than you are. Sending them to live with grandparents is an absolute last resort. I'm not interested in discussing this further.

    While I appreciate your suggestions regarding housing, we are already looking into things. I didn't really make this thread to seek advice. I wanted to talk to people with similar experiences, and to make a place to talk about the various hardships of living in general.

    My wife spent a considerable part of her childhood in the situation you are describing and we've talked about it affected her and her sisters extensively over the years. I'm just passing along what she's shared with me from the perspective of the children. Growing up bouncing between shelters apparently sucks, as does becoming primary caregiver to your siblings when both parents are unavailable due to employment issues.

    Best of luck with whatever you got planned, though. Reach out to whatever governmental opportunities are about, speaking from experience as a state employee there is always a ton more assistance than is publicized and you are typically rewarded in knocking on the doors of local offices and asking for any references or leads the folks there can provide.

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    CrackedLensCrackedLens Registered User regular
    That's rough stuff man. I really sorry to hear that.

    I lived in my truck and on the couches of friends for a couple months probably about 10 years ago. I wasn't welcome into my house and my dad and I couldn't really get along so I just went out on my own.

    I don't know what the deal is behind your family no helping out to the degree that it's the street for their grand kids, but in my limited experience I can say that that's really hard and I'm sorry it's like that. Hopefully they will come to realize their actions and do what they can to help out.

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    I'll only participate in this thread if we shout SKAL and take a shot after every story

    because life is pretty fucking shitty for me, right now

    not on the verge of homelessness shitty

    but it could easily go there

    in the meantime, I'm half-considering quitting school for the quarter because I am in no psychological condition to deal with it all

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    Edited for triggering content Sorry about the housing. That's shitty as all hell.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    I'm gonna kill myself about a few weeks into February, give or take. It'll be the 12 gauge from the other failed attempts. Sorry about the housing. That's shitty as all hell.

    1-800-273-8255 Call this number right now.

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    Amen on the useless fairweather friends sentiment

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    I'm gonna kill myself about a few weeks into February, give or take. It'll be the 12 gauge from the other failed attempts. Sorry about the housing. That's shitty as all hell.

    1-800-273-8255 Call this number right now.

    I appreciate it but I'll echo this cat's not seeking advice stance.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    I'm gonna kill myself about a few weeks into February, give or take. It'll be the 12 gauge from the other failed attempts. Sorry about the housing. That's shitty as all hell.

    Please don't do this. You're too good a person for that to happen to you.

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    Its odd, when that sorta shit befalls you. People you remember warmly literally run the other fuckin way

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
    I'm gonna kill myself about a few weeks into February, give or take. It'll be the 12 gauge from the other failed attempts. Sorry about the housing. That's shitty as all hell.

    Please don't do this. You're too good a person for that to happen to you.

    I ruminated on this and the brain. Usually a great deal of people ask for my help with regard to preventing suicide or whatever, and so I can't staunchly say you're wrong for feeling that way. That said, sometimes life literally goes in this direction, empirical data or not and you have to watch it sorta fall apart

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    That's it, really. Suicide as a response to that which preceded it isn't unreasonable, though yeah I imagine its not especially something you should be throwing parades for

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    I hope you don't do it, Michelle. If i have to suffer through the hellmouth of existence, then everyone else deserves the same fate.

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    WheatBun01WheatBun01 Face It, Tiger Registered User regular
    There really isn't anything I can think of to say to anyone in situations like this other than that it does get better, which I know you hear a million times, and when you're in a situation, it can be impossible to imagine it improving, but it can and will.

    I also worry that enough suicide-laced posts floating around lately will force the hand of the mods to start severely limiting our brain problems discussions/threads, since that shit is serious as all hell and they can't have that popping up constantly.

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    Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3mtsBFe2Us

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eih67rlGNhU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i60dwRf1XQ

    Whenever I go through hard times it really is difficult to feel like anyone cares. And each disaster I feel like I shed a good deal of friends. I lose a bit of myself each time. And it's harder and harder to pick myself up and motivate myself to keep going. But I do it anyway because that's who I am.

    I don't have advice for those going through hard times, but I will say I have empathy for you. The world is cruel at times with no reason. And I hope things will get better. If anyone ever needs to vent, just send me a message with full confidence that I won't pretend like I know what you're going through or try to solve the problem.

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    Dubh wrote: »
    I hope you don't do it, Michelle. If i have to suffer through the hellmouth of existence, then everyone else deserves the same fate.

    I look at it with the stance I do with most sickness, and I felt gross about being as explicit as I was so I edited it

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    at this juncture if I'm not medicated its essentially like saying here outsmart this cancer

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    nukanuka What are circles? Registered User regular
    I think it's okay if I am angry at the person who made me move back into my parent's place just so he could go run off to Seattle. I feel better now than I did last night, but nothing has been fixed or solved.

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    CelloCello Registered User regular
    Its odd, when that sorta shit befalls you. People you remember warmly literally run the other fuckin way

    When I was dealing with depression just recently, I felt that way a lot. I'd try to talk about where I was at with friends who had previously been the reason I'd pulled through past difficulties, and people would either tell me I was panicking/overreacting, or they'd seem to kind of throw distance in unless they had had similar experiences. I think a thing you have to accept in that kind of situation, as hard as it can be at the time, is this: some people just don't know how to deal with being a support. They have no understanding of what the feeling is like, are afraid of being relied upon so heavily and just try to back away as quickly as possible because they honestly are too scared or unnerved to see someone dealing with an internalized pain that they don't know how else to react. It is not a failing on your part; it's just that they're entirely out of their depth.

    You're strong for trying to reach out to others for help. And it takes even more strength to see that you need help and accept that you both deserve and need to reach out for it. I like you a lot, CJ! It would be a less great forum without your presence. I sincerely hope you can work through this.

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    But you can call meBut you can call me Grand Divina Angela Registered User regular
    I can't think of much to say except to agree with all the other supportive posts in here. I understand that you've said you don't want advice CJ, but talking about suicide is a totally different situation than anything I've mentioned.

    The people on this forum have been a source of humor and comfort in my life during a time where I don't have very much of those things. You are a part of that. I'm certain everybody here agrees that you would be missed if you weren't a part of this community anymore.

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    that's fine and all. what bugs me is an illusion of choice and an assumed level of culpability. I sure don't desire this and don't want people to have a blase attitude about it, and after rereading i don't want to trigger folks either. but i also live in the world that is, not the one id like it to be.

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    maybe people see you suffer, or it happens in silence. a recent favorite of mine is demanded silence

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    I'm fighting back suicide by tapping into the deep well of rage I have

    It's my last, best weapon

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    nukanuka What are circles? Registered User regular
    I think my favorite reaction to mental disorders is calling you a liar or acting like you're just a drama queen.

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    nuka wrote: »
    I think my favorite reaction to mental disorders is calling you a liar or acting like you're just a drama queen.

    " I did fine. You just like to look for something to get angry about"

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    LabelLabel Registered User regular
    at this juncture if I'm not medicated its essentially like saying here outsmart this cancer


    No. Medication does exist for you. Something like Stage 4C Cancer does not have medication. Only odds on just how quickly you'll die from it.

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    nukanuka What are circles? Registered User regular
    nuka wrote: »
    I think my favorite reaction to mental disorders is calling you a liar or acting like you're just a drama queen.
    " I did fine. You just like to look for something to get angry about"

    "Oh get over it, it's not that big a deal. What I go through is much worse."

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    nuka wrote: »
    I think my favorite reaction to mental disorders is calling you a liar or acting like you're just a drama queen.

    " I did fine. You just like to look for something to get angry about"

    My mom takes huge offence when I mention my childhood sucked

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    But you can call meBut you can call me Grand Divina Angela Registered User regular
    Label wrote: »
    at this juncture if I'm not medicated its essentially like saying here outsmart this cancer


    No. Medication does exist for you. Something like Stage 4C Cancer does not have medication. Only odds on just how quickly you'll die from it.

    I don't think this is really the sort of response that is needed at this time.

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    DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    I've been homeless for a month and a half now and it seems like every time I go anywhere or do anything I am plagued by 'scouting' behavior. I always notice places that don't have fences that I could jump from and areas where I could hide from the train operators and jump into the tracks. I think about running into the freeway and then I dismiss the thought because I don't want other people to be hurt. I take note of people's medications and where they keep them just in case I want to steal them at some point and OD (for example, one of the ladies at the shelter has benedryl, promethazine, clonazepam, diazepam, and other depressants/sedatives that I could easily take from her). I know exactly where the arteries in my wrists are and how to slice them without severing the entire span so they are harder to close up. I take mental notes of people who have guns I might use, etc.

    Yesterday I spent a good few hours crying and trying to figure out how I wanted to say goodbye to everyone. I called the hotline instead. Force of habit, I guess.

    I don't know why my mind attacks me the way it does sometimes, but the most common trigger of my suicidal thoughts is my self-esteem. I feel too fat, too tall, too ugly, too mannish, etc, etc. I think about my debt and the money I still have to spend to finish my feminization and I just break down because I'm not going to be able to fucking do it on ten dollars and hour. I wish I could make a faustian bargain. Or any bargain really. Pay for my stuff and I'll spend the rest of my life paying it back (or forward) tenfold. I fantasize about wishes and finding money and other things on a regular basis. And then I look up and I'm in a homeless shelter being bullied and misgendered and reality just crashes the fuck down, right into my face.

    I still really want to die. Oblivion is sounding pretty damn sweet right now. And to think that not a year ago I was afraid of death. Hahaha...

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    Label wrote: »
    at this juncture if I'm not medicated its essentially like saying here outsmart this cancer


    No. Medication does exist for you. Something like Stage 4C Cancer does not have medication. Only odds on just how quickly you'll die from it.

    clinical severe depression and going off a cocktail of medications cold turkey almost indefinitely in combination with everything compounding it may as well be in the circles I inhabit. the phrase I bookend this is the least smug phrasing of "sorry, not sorry" I could muster

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    nuka wrote: »
    nuka wrote: »
    I think my favorite reaction to mental disorders is calling you a liar or acting like you're just a drama queen.
    " I did fine. You just like to look for something to get angry about"

    "Oh get over it, it's not that big a deal. What I go through is much worse."

    "I try to help you and you do nothing with it" to be fair, this one is usually from the affluent

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    FoolproofFoolproof thats what my hearts become in that place you dare not look staring back at youRegistered User regular
    my girl left me in September but it wasn't until thanksgiving that I realized we had broken up. I think I realized it on Halloween but immediately went back into denial. I am still amazed at how powerful our minds can be when they can't deal with reality. So I am finally figuring things out but it is much too late.

    This week at work they cut everyone's hours in half, I have just been hired in so I hope unemployment will make up the difference since I am technically full time. The two week pay period and a new direct deposit situation has me worried about rent and I have very little for food and gas until then if it doesn't.

    Still I have to plan for the worst which means selling everything I can on craigslist and eating the nearly spoiled food first, just in case.

    Hard times ahead.

    The silver lining is that I have stopped smoking the devil's tobacco because it made me feel worse and not better and then the money problems have me stopped on alcohol. Both of these depressants being absent from my life should improve my outlook even if nothing else gets any better. All the sadness and stress has made me loss weight down to my 17 year old size. I suddenly have some cool vintage clothes to wear.

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    But you can call meBut you can call me Grand Divina Angela Registered User regular
    Alright, other trans ladies in the thread, here's my super tailored completely to me advice that may not be helpful to anyone else. I'm not going to say I was suddenly surrounded by a warm light that showed me everything in the world is actually good, but when I came to this conclusion it made things at least a little easier on me. My goal is not to be beautiful. I'm not ever gonna be drop dead gorgeous. It is not a possibility full stop. But, I can surround myself with people who acknowledge me as a woman. I can have people in my life who support me and treat me the way I want to be treated, and I can do my best to stay away from the people who don't do that. And that is what I actually need. I don't know. Realizing this was a big deal for me at least.

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