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[House of Cards] We don't submit to terror.

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Slight episode one spoilers:
    I hadn't noticed Francis hadn't broken the fourth wall yet. When he finally did it was creepy as Hell.

    I noticed it literally the moment before.

    Creepy as fuck.

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    AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    suoer hacker crap is boring ad I hope he gets arrested for being such a lazy plot device
    ep 2 spoilers

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Ep 4 & 5 spoilers.
    Claire's gambit that got the general screwed is freaking inspired.

    I also like that Frank stomped a hornet's nest to get Raymond stung.

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    SarcasmoBlasterSarcasmoBlaster Austin, TXRegistered User regular
    Just finished ep 1.
    First things first: Holy shit. Now, that being said, I hope the series can maintain without Zoe. She was a great character. Her boyfriend sucks as a character by comparison, so I'm not nearly as intrigued if he's going to be the guy on Underwood's heels.

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    MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    I just finished episode 1.
    That was a fabulous bit of theater to watch. The train. The last few seconds of breaking the 4th wall. The cuff links. The little touches. The absolute fear I have this man now.

    I don't know what to say other than the first episode was worth an entire season alone.

    Onto episode 2.

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    MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    Episode 2 complete.

    This is excellent.
    I liked a lot of the episode. The maneuvering was a nice break from the madness.

    Problem is Chinese foreign policy is kind of my thing.

    Oh god, the Foreign Ministry is more of a show than anything else. Maybe they know this but in reality most stuff out of them is taken as half truths and hopes. The real power lies in the central comitee on this stuff and they are more subtle.

    I am not enthused by that.

    Don't get me started on the deep web stuff.

    But I will take them as anything with Frank is amazing.

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    ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited February 2014
    Man S2E1, what an episode.
    Is that the first time Frank has directly addressed the viewer as a person? That combined with the cuff links seemed way more fourth wall breaking than the first season. But it did make for a pretty amazing "fuck yeah here we go, House of Cards is back" sort of ending.

    Zek on
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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Zek wrote: »
    Man S2E1, what an episode.
    Is that the first time Frank has directly addressed the viewer as a person? That combined with the cuff links seemed way more fourth wall breaking than the first season. But it did make for a pretty amazing "fuck yeah here we go, House of Cards is back" sort of ending.

    How do you mean?

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    Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Zek wrote: »
    Man S2E1, what an episode.
    Is that the first time Frank has directly addressed the viewer as a person? That combined with the cuff links seemed way more fourth wall breaking than the first season. But it did make for a pretty amazing "fuck yeah here we go, House of Cards is back" sort of ending.

    How do you mean?
    Usually he just talks. Most of his speeches could be taken as an almost internal monologue, his thoughts to himself on any given situation. At the end of ep1, he says something along the lines of "Did you think I forgot about you?" specifically addressing the viewer rather than just talking at them.

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    AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    I think it's been pretty clear that the viewer is being addressed directly.

    They're soliloquies. It's Shakespeare.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    I'm almost positive he's used the second person at some point in the first season.

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    KPCKPC Registered User regular
    I just finished it all. I regret nothing.

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Ep 4:
    man I don't like this super haxxor storyline

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    GreeperGreeper Registered User regular
    weird, a number on a tv show that isn't 555

    I called it but I just got an automated response about no mailbox set up

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    ZekZek Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Zek wrote: »
    Man S2E1, what an episode.
    Is that the first time Frank has directly addressed the viewer as a person? That combined with the cuff links seemed way more fourth wall breaking than the first season. But it did make for a pretty amazing "fuck yeah here we go, House of Cards is back" sort of ending.

    How do you mean?
    Usually he just talks. Most of his speeches could be taken as an almost internal monologue, his thoughts to himself on any given situation. At the end of ep1, he says something along the lines of "Did you think I forgot about you?" specifically addressing the viewer rather than just talking at them.
    Yeah, that and also the "Welcome back" at the end openly acknowledging that it's the start of a second season. Plus the "F U" cufflinks were essentially a direct message from the writers to the viewers.

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    Ethan SmithEthan Smith Origin name: Beart4to Arlington, VARegistered User regular
    Zek wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Zek wrote: »
    Man S2E1, what an episode.
    Is that the first time Frank has directly addressed the viewer as a person? That combined with the cuff links seemed way more fourth wall breaking than the first season. But it did make for a pretty amazing "fuck yeah here we go, House of Cards is back" sort of ending.

    How do you mean?
    Usually he just talks. Most of his speeches could be taken as an almost internal monologue, his thoughts to himself on any given situation. At the end of ep1, he says something along the lines of "Did you think I forgot about you?" specifically addressing the viewer rather than just talking at them.
    Yeah, that and also the "Welcome back" at the end openly acknowledging that it's the start of a second season. Plus the "F U" cufflinks were essentially a direct message from the writers to the viewers.
    It's breaking the fourth wall in a more direct and grating way. In season one it was used to ingratiate the audience to Underwood and get us in his confidence, now it's far more separate.

    I have to say that while I love the show for its writing, its characters etc, there's a bunch of things I really hate about it. It's the faux Machiavellianism that only works because every other character is an incompetent idiot. It's the abstraction of policy and issues to the degree that the only things that matter are the negotiations and manipulations that deal with policy, but not the effects of that policy. Because of that, we're made to root for Underwood's policies even if the show admits that they're awful and damage the lives of hundreds of thousands if not millions of people. Furthermore the reduction of political issues to merely being the products of personal issues is petty and shallow as hell.

    Personally my favorite character is Blythe (and this is at e4)

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    Took everything in me not to plow along into episode two, 1:42am be damned.

    That was definitely a season premiere.
    I did not see her getting thrown off until it happened. That was just so fast, so violent. Though a correction, I suppose...I did see her getting thrown off (by Stamper, or somebody else) before she met Underwood. That's a thing that hasn't exactly been uncommon in movies and shows over the years, and for a minute it felt like that was where it was going. Then they were talking. And it felt okay. Then she followed him (and I thought we were moving away from the tracks) and oh fuck no. So fast.

    And yeah, the fourth wall crashing down at the end was awesome. Hadn't noticed, everything that episode was so intense, then bam.

    So good.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Because of that, we're made to root for Underwood's policies even if the show admits that they're awful and damage the lives of hundreds of thousands if not millions of people.

    I don't see this as a flaw, personally.

    Ep 4 spoilers
    Underwood was dealing with the painful reality that no matter what choice was made millions of people's lives would be damaged. Jacqueline made that clear when she was drumming up votes for the Democrats. Had the Republicans or Dems maintained they would have been every bit as guilty of ruining millions of lives. Instead they now have a possible plan to work with and can modify down the line.

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    AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    I don't believe we're made to root for Frank.

    Any more than you're meant to root for Richard III or Macbeth.

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    Peter EbelPeter Ebel CopenhagenRegistered User regular
    And yet, here I am - hoping for some dirt to be done.

    Fuck off and die.
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    MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    I think Richard III is a good comparison to Frank. He is very much Richard and since the show is very much going for a modern play feel it is the best description I can think of.

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    Skull2185Skull2185 Registered User regular
    Im about 16 minutes into season2 episode 4, and I am 100% certain that
    Frank is behind this "terror threat".

    Also having a hard time accepting that Liam McPoyle is the super leet hacker guy

    Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
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    Ethan SmithEthan Smith Origin name: Beart4to Arlington, VARegistered User regular
    I don't believe we're made to root for Frank.

    Any more than you're meant to root for Richard III or Macbeth.

    I think that the show wants to be an indictment on Frank but it's too enamored of his competence. And if the show really wanted to show Frank as an anti-hero it wouldn't work by his logic, which is that any character with a set of beliefs is at the deepest core just a naive version of someone with an almost sociopathic drive for power.

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    I think Richard III is a good comparison to Frank. He is very much Richard and since the show is very much going for a modern play feel it is the best description I can think of.

    House of Cards has a definite Richard III feel to it.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    I'm honestly kind of surprised how many people were surprised by that thing in episode 1. None of y'all went and watched the original House Of Cards? It's... kind of better honestly. I hate to be that guy, but it goes like a fucking train. We've just reached the point in the narrative that the original got to in 3 episodes.

    Some thoughts on Zoe's character
    In the original, she's a bright eyed, naive ingénue who was hopelessly in love with FU. Whether that's better or worse depends on your outlook, but I certainly had more sympathy for her as a character. Zoe is so hard nosed and unpleasant that I wasn't particularly sorry to see her go. It's interesting to contrast the two characters deaths. In one it's FU getting rid of a dangerous enemy who has dogged him at every turn, in the other it's FU kicking the fucking dog in a big way.

    The death of
    Mattie Storrin/Zoe
    is the high point of the original series, there isn't a lot of great stuff after that. It'll be interesting to see where the US version goes.

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    DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    It was the best thing that could've happened to the narrative.
    Zoe was done. She was already boring the hell out of me with her scoobie gang antics by the end of season 1. I'm pumped for there to be more time for Frank and Claire to just go around destroying people.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    I'm honestly kind of surprised how many people were surprised by that thing in episode 1. None of y'all went and watched the original House Of Cards?

    I don't really intend to while the current series is ongoing. I'm definitely interested but everything's an unknown for me right now and I'd rather keep it that way.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    You can watch the first season now pretty much. The US show has caught up. Only difference (minor spoiler)
    FU is Prime Minister instead of Vice President
    .

    I doubt they'll follow series two and three of the UK show, they weren't great.

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    AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    I don't believe we're made to root for Frank.

    Any more than you're meant to root for Richard III or Macbeth.

    I think that the show wants to be an indictment on Frank but it's too enamored of his competence. And if the show really wanted to show Frank as an anti-hero it wouldn't work by his logic, which is that any character with a set of beliefs is at the deepest core just a naive version of someone with an almost sociopathic drive for power.

    Weirdly I thought season one ended showing him to be not as competent as he thought, he basically got real lucky and was able to take the advantage after getting out maneuvered by Tusk.

    He's back on form now though and it'll be interesting seeing where that battle goes.

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    HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    Finished the entire thing last night

    Was good

    Would watch again

    ...

    Probably right now actually.

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    SarcasmoBlasterSarcasmoBlaster Austin, TXRegistered User regular
    Just finished ep. 4
    Holy shit, Claire's gambit. This shows still got it. Also, super-hacker turned out to be an FBI sting. Sweet. I was worried he was going to be legit helping whatshisname, and random super-hacker's are always dumb plot devices, so that's a win.

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    zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    I just finished episode 5

    Enjoying the hell out of this season so far.

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    notdroidnotdroid Registered User regular
    Like many people, here, just finished S2E1, and...
    Midway through: HOLY FUCKING SHIT indeed!
    Ending: Breaking the fourth wall finally. I don't think there would have been any creepier better way to finish it.

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    notdroidnotdroid Registered User regular
    Damn, Kevin Spacey plays the hell out of that role.

    I remember watching Colbert a short while ago, seeing him running around trying to steal his Emmy, and thinking to myself "that Spacey fella sure seems like a great guy!". I'm now having a real hard time reconciling that feeling with what I'm seeing.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Up to episode 10
    For all the horrible shit Frank's done I'd be far more concerned if Tusk had his way.

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    HandgimpHandgimp R+L=J Family PhotoRegistered User regular
    loved the closing scene of e13

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    HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    GOD DAMN IT HANDGIMP

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    GreeperGreeper Registered User regular
    I was surprised how good this was. I think I liked it more than the first season. Certainly as far as political machinations, there seemed to be stronger opponents, and therefore, a more interesting fight.

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    Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    Has anyone here read the books? If they're any good, I'd like to give them a try, but I know that having a good TV show vaguely based off of the novels doesn't imply the original novels are any good.

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    MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    I am through episode 4 and sticking well to my 2 episodes a night maximum.

    Episode 3&4 Spoilers
    The political machinations no matter how outrageous continue to be the shows strongest point. I wish you could drag senators back to the chamber like that. Oh that would be so wonderful. Not a fan of the policy but I am a fan of getting shit done.

    The next episode was great. The reveal and targeting of the asshole general brought a tear to my eye. The hacker side story sucks but whatever. The fight for the votes in the house was something. I enjoyed the new whip, she is pretty badass.

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