Slaanesh was made when the Eldar blew a hole open in the galaxy to the warp via sheer hedonism
which was not during the horus heresy
Yeah the birth of Slaanesh is what actually ended the warp storms that were causing the Age of Strife
I thought it was more that the birth of slaanesh was the cause of the warp storms that caused the age of strife, so basically 10 millenias of unholy birthing labour.
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Psychotic OneThe Lord of No PantsParts UnknownRegistered Userregular
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One thing that has kinda bothered me so far is how little Nurgle's influence in the Horus Heresy is. The ONLY time he has been felt was in The Flight of the Eisenstein when the life eater virus gets unleashed in the hold of the ship and Garro barely escapes before the bulkhead slams shut. Later in the warp the marines and crew who were trapped and get up and start hunting across the ship while its in warp.
Slaanesh has a pretty big foothold. Mind whammied Fulgrum and the entire legion. In turn has caused Fulgrum to kill a primarch and nearly killed a second before turning in a daemon prince. Lucius gets killed by a Raven and is reborn in Fabulous Bile's lab. Oh...and Fabulous Bile. Erebus looks like a school boy to this mad scientist.
Zeech has completely removed the warps biggest enemy from the board by manipulating Horus to cause Russ to change his mission from "chastise and imprison" Magnus to "Burn the entire planet to the ground and chew on Magnus' bones!" And while not directly referenced he is probably the initial driving force in turning Horus to All Chaos.
Khorne - BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!! Logar in a misguided effort to save his brother from a slow death decides to turn him into a prince in the middle of a battlefield with the Ultramarines and their Titan Legio. Angron appears to have died and Logar takes a few Warhound plasma blasts to the face and the only thing that saves him is his "faith" forming a shield that just leaves him covered in burns. Before a Titan can crush him like a bug Angron BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD's the Titan by catching the foot and knocking it over. Psychic backlash makes the World Eaters even more crazed and he proceeds to backhand Robot Girlyman into a full retreat. Angron's soul is consumed and now he just wants Kharn to goto the serf levels of the ship and take 300 skulls and build him a throne.
Granted the Deathguard haven't quite made an impact yet but damn...Nurgle needs to get off his ass and actual start stirring the space aids infused shit already in the Heresy.
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Here is Fabulous Bile and his pimp cane of death
Maybe Grandfather Nurgle doesn't need to act, because the Imperium is doing a good enough job on its own turning planets into rancid shitpiles full of disease and pollution
Slaanesh was made when the Eldar blew a hole open in the galaxy to the warp via sheer hedonism
which was not during the horus heresy
Yeah the birth of Slaanesh is what actually ended the warp storms that were causing the Age of Strife
I thought it was more that the birth of slaanesh was the cause of the warp storms that caused the age of strife, so basically 10 millenias of unholy birthing labour.
Both. The warp was unstable due to the Eldar slowly, unknowingly creating Slaanesh. When Slaanesh became sentient, it's birth scream blew out the warp storms and turned the Eldar home worlds into the Eye of Terror.
All of the chaos gods can be traced to psychic presences changing the nature of the warp. Before the war with the Necrotyr and the Old Ones, there were no demons or Chaos Gods. When the Enslavers (floaty brain things) showed up, they became a plague on all psykers, and only the birth of the chaos gods quenched that threat.
Theoretically though, because there is no direct connection with spacetime in the warp, the Chaos Gods have theoretically existed forever depending on how you look at it.
Ah, Nurgle actually played the biggest role, did he not, by creating the zombie plague on the moon where Horus got injured. Without Horus getting injured there and being put into a spiritual journey of wackiness while he healed, we wouldn't have had Horus turning at all.
Ah, Nurgle actually played the biggest role, did he not, by creating the zombie plague on the moon where Horus got injured. Without Horus getting injured there and being put into a spiritual journey of wackiness while he healed, we wouldn't have had Horus turning at all.
Horus was already being twisted by Erebus and Logar's machinations before that, wasn't he?
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Ah, Nurgle actually played the biggest role, did he not, by creating the zombie plague on the moon where Horus got injured. Without Horus getting injured there and being put into a spiritual journey of wackiness while he healed, we wouldn't have had Horus turning at all.
Horus was already being twisted by Erebus and Logar's machinations before that, wasn't he?
He was being made more pliable by them, but the anathema wound and the following fever-dream in The Warp is what pushed him over the edge for good.
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Tzeentch best Chaos God circa your soul will be studied in a retroactive eternity
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Nurgle seems like kinda the most subtle of the chaos gods.
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Nurgle seems like kinda the most subtle of the chaos gods.
Nurgle's the 'nice' one.
He wants his followers to be long-lived and happy. Of course, his definition of both involves a certain amount of horrible plagues and undying agony, but compared to the other 3, that makes him pleasant by comparison.
I'd forgotten about him. I once thought about making an army of scientist philosopher types out of flagellants who were followers of him. Which is entirely against the point, but that's why I like him, he's a crazy paradox.
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I've got a soft spot for Cegorach, because he knows the score and he's the only one who goes toe-to-toe with Slaanesh on a regular basis, and wins
and I like that Khaela Mensha Kaine was a capricious, piece of shit asshole before being riven by slaanesh
he was full of himself and believed that there is glory in combat and that is why he fell
and that's what war is all about
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I've always wished that the tabletop would get a robust video game implementation, because I love the gameplay and the lore but I can't really be fussed to paint all the minis and stand around a game store all day on a weekend
I assume GW would never do that because they're afraid to bite tabletop sales, though
really what I want is a full conversion of necromunda, which I feel like should be easy because come on x-com is right fucking there just make it already
ed: although huh, they're making a mordheim conversion eh? Guess we'll see what form it ultimately takes
Eat it You Nasty Pig. on
it was the smallest on the list but
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
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I've always wished that the tabletop would get a robust video game implementation, because I love the gameplay and the lore but I can't really be fussed to paint all the minis and stand around a game store all day on a weekend
I assume GW would never do that because they're afraid to bite tabletop sales, though
really what I want is a full conversion of necromunda, which I feel like should be easy because come on x-com is right fucking there just make it already
ed: although huh, they're making a mordheim conversion eh? Guess we'll see what form it ultimately takes
Combine Dawn of War with Magic The Gathering Online.
You purchase your units through micro-transactions and paint them with a character creator similar to the Space Marine Multiplayer which then exports your army into maps built in the DOW engine and calculates defense stats and such on the fly.
Say what you will about Blood Bowl the video game, but if you ignore basically everything the dev added besides the base game, you have a decent way to play online.
Ah, Nurgle actually played the biggest role, did he not, by creating the zombie plague on the moon where Horus got injured. Without Horus getting injured there and being put into a spiritual journey of wackiness while he healed, we wouldn't have had Horus turning at all.
Horus was already being twisted by Erebus and Logar's machinations before that, wasn't he?
He was being made more pliable by them, but the anathema wound and the following fever-dream in The Warp is what pushed him over the edge for good.
Yeah, but what I mean was, his fall was inevitable. the brief meet and greet thanks to the chaos cult's sorcery simply accelerated it.
Ah, Nurgle actually played the biggest role, did he not, by creating the zombie plague on the moon where Horus got injured. Without Horus getting injured there and being put into a spiritual journey of wackiness while he healed, we wouldn't have had Horus turning at all.
Horus was already being twisted by Erebus and Logar's machinations before that, wasn't he?
He was being made more pliable by them, but the anathema wound and the following fever-dream in The Warp is what pushed him over the edge for good.
Yeah, but what I mean was, his fall was inevitable. the brief meet and greet thanks to the chaos cult's sorcery simply accelerated it.
Nothing is inevitable in-universe (there are certain out-of-universe inevitabilities because we have a pretty detailed history of those events from the 40K era). In one of the Dan Abnett HH books (I think it was the Alpha Legion one), the elder alien cartel had seen three futures, one where Horus won (causing a quick Imperium collapse and a relatively fast recovery), one where the Emperor won (slow and brutal war decimating the entire galaxy), and the worst possible one, where they basically killed each other (resulting in a horrible future where the Imperium starts brutalizing its own people and creates a festering ground for chaos over the course of 10,000 years and an effectively endless war).
Guess which one happened? But honestly, in 40K there really isn't destiny other than what is written down by the game designers. Prophesy is, and always has been, fickle. The worst things happen in 40K because that's the conceit of the storyline, not because they were specifically predestined in-universe.
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Ah, Nurgle actually played the biggest role, did he not, by creating the zombie plague on the moon where Horus got injured. Without Horus getting injured there and being put into a spiritual journey of wackiness while he healed, we wouldn't have had Horus turning at all.
Horus was already being twisted by Erebus and Logar's machinations before that, wasn't he?
He was being made more pliable by them, but the anathema wound and the following fever-dream in The Warp is what pushed him over the edge for good.
Yeah, but what I mean was, his fall was inevitable. the brief meet and greet thanks to the chaos cult's sorcery simply accelerated it.
Nothing is inevitable in-universe (there are certain out-of-universe inevitabilities because we have a pretty detailed history of those events from the 40K era). In one of the Dan Abnett HH books (I think it was the Alpha Legion one), the elder alien cartel had seen three futures, one where Horus won (causing a quick Imperium collapse and a relatively fast recovery), one where the Emperor won (slow and brutal war decimating the entire galaxy), and the worst possible one, where they basically killed each other (resulting in a horrible future where the Imperium starts brutalizing its own people and creates a festering ground for chaos over the course of 10,000 years and an effectively endless war).
Guess which one happened? But honestly, in 40K there really isn't destiny other than what is written down by the game designers. Prophesy is, and always has been, fickle. The worst things happen in 40K because that's the conceit of the storyline, not because they were specifically predestined in-universe.
One thing I like they are doing in The Horus Heresy with Alpha Legion
They show that Alpha is 100% on board with Team Horus. He turns his entire legion because he feels the quick death of humanity is more merciful than 10k years of futile suffering.
Omega on the other hand even before the end game has started is laying the ground work for him and the Alpha Legion marines loyal to him to betray not only Horus but the rest of Alpha Legion in an effort to destroy their betrayal if he decides they've gone to far and the plan has failed.
Add into what happens between Roboute and Alpha/Omega after the Heresy. You are left with the unanswered question. Did one of the twins die in the fight with the Primarch of the Ultramarines? And if one did...which one. The betrayer or the one secretly loyal.
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Alpha Legion speculation:
I'm still kind of iffy on how there were twins. Why would the Emperor create a set of twins to lead a legion, when he specifically was creating individual primarchs. That sounds like the kind of thing that would be controlled. And to me, it sounds more like "Wow, wouldn't it be really cool if the twist was they were twins!"
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I'm still kind of iffy on how there were twins. Why would the Emperor create a set
of twins to lead a legion, when he specifically was creating individual primarchs. That sounds like the kind of thing that would be controlled. And to me, it sounds more like "Wow, wouldn't it be really cool if the twist was they were twins!"
It's been suggested that the creation of twin primarchs was an accident, and that not even the Emperor knows the truth.
I've always wished that the tabletop would get a robust video game implementation, because I love the gameplay and the lore but I can't really be fussed to paint all the minis and stand around a game store all day on a weekend
I assume GW would never do that because they're afraid to bite tabletop sales, though
really what I want is a full conversion of necromunda, which I feel like should be easy because come on x-com is right fucking there just make it already
ed: although huh, they're making a mordheim conversion eh? Guess we'll see what form it ultimately takes
Combine Dawn of War with Magic The Gathering Online.
You purchase your units through micro-transactions and paint them with a character creator similar to the Space Marine Multiplayer which then exports your army into maps built in the DOW engine and calculates defense stats and such on the fly.
I'm saying, right? It seems so obvious
although I don't really like RTS games; turned based 40k or gtfo
it was the smallest on the list but
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
But seriously, a Sister's of Battle game would not only star a Female protagonist, but also you could do the most ridiculous ramping up power curve ever. We are talking Zone of Ender's style stake raising.
From normal Sister fighting...let's say Nid's, to the normal forces of Chaos to full on Chaos space marines and getting overwhelmed to Bloodletter's to WHOOPS YOU'RE A LIVING SAINT NOW, GO FORTH, AND FIGHT GREATER CHAOS DAEMON.
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This would also be acceptable.
EDIT; providing we find out what happened to Captain Titus.
There needs to be a game based on the Ciaphas Cain books.
so I can finally experience them without dropping $texas on books.
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The Black HunterThe key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple,unimpeachable reason to existRegistered Userregular
I don't know about this Knight stuff
The troops are fuckin pricy at any rate, though the truck could be really cool and the knights themselves have potential
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I thought it was more that the birth of slaanesh was the cause of the warp storms that caused the age of strife, so basically 10 millenias of unholy birthing labour.
-Antje Jackelén, Archbishop of the Church of Sweden
Slaanesh has a pretty big foothold. Mind whammied Fulgrum and the entire legion. In turn has caused Fulgrum to kill a primarch and nearly killed a second before turning in a daemon prince. Lucius gets killed by a Raven and is reborn in Fabulous Bile's lab. Oh...and Fabulous Bile. Erebus looks like a school boy to this mad scientist.
Zeech has completely removed the warps biggest enemy from the board by manipulating Horus to cause Russ to change his mission from "chastise and imprison" Magnus to "Burn the entire planet to the ground and chew on Magnus' bones!" And while not directly referenced he is probably the initial driving force in turning Horus to All Chaos.
Khorne - BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!! Logar in a misguided effort to save his brother from a slow death decides to turn him into a prince in the middle of a battlefield with the Ultramarines and their Titan Legio. Angron appears to have died and Logar takes a few Warhound plasma blasts to the face and the only thing that saves him is his "faith" forming a shield that just leaves him covered in burns. Before a Titan can crush him like a bug Angron BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD's the Titan by catching the foot and knocking it over. Psychic backlash makes the World Eaters even more crazed and he proceeds to backhand Robot Girlyman into a full retreat. Angron's soul is consumed and now he just wants Kharn to goto the serf levels of the ship and take 300 skulls and build him a throne.
Granted the Deathguard haven't quite made an impact yet but damn...Nurgle needs to get off his ass and actual start stirring the space aids infused shit already in the Heresy.
*Edit Bonus*
Here is Fabulous Bile and his pimp cane of death
Both. The warp was unstable due to the Eldar slowly, unknowingly creating Slaanesh. When Slaanesh became sentient, it's birth scream blew out the warp storms and turned the Eldar home worlds into the Eye of Terror.
All of the chaos gods can be traced to psychic presences changing the nature of the warp. Before the war with the Necrotyr and the Old Ones, there were no demons or Chaos Gods. When the Enslavers (floaty brain things) showed up, they became a plague on all psykers, and only the birth of the chaos gods quenched that threat.
Theoretically though, because there is no direct connection with spacetime in the warp, the Chaos Gods have theoretically existed forever depending on how you look at it.
Horus was already being twisted by Erebus and Logar's machinations before that, wasn't he?
He was being made more pliable by them, but the anathema wound and the following fever-dream in The Warp is what pushed him over the edge for good.
Nurgle's the 'nice' one.
He wants his followers to be long-lived and happy. Of course, his definition of both involves a certain amount of horrible plagues and undying agony, but compared to the other 3, that makes him pleasant by comparison.
Why I fear the ocean.
and I like that Khaela Mensha Kaine was a capricious, piece of shit asshole before being riven by slaanesh
he was full of himself and believed that there is glory in combat and that is why he fell
and that's what war is all about
Necoho? I don't believe he exists.
Why I fear the ocean.
I assume GW would never do that because they're afraid to bite tabletop sales, though
really what I want is a full conversion of necromunda, which I feel like should be easy because come on x-com is right fucking there just make it already
ed: although huh, they're making a mordheim conversion eh? Guess we'll see what form it ultimately takes
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
Combine Dawn of War with Magic The Gathering Online.
You purchase your units through micro-transactions and paint them with a character creator similar to the Space Marine Multiplayer which then exports your army into maps built in the DOW engine and calculates defense stats and such on the fly.
Just fitted the game so well.
I also liked Rites of War that was such a fun game but I can't get it to work on my pc anymore.
Yeah, but what I mean was, his fall was inevitable. the brief meet and greet thanks to the chaos cult's sorcery simply accelerated it.
Nothing is inevitable in-universe (there are certain out-of-universe inevitabilities because we have a pretty detailed history of those events from the 40K era). In one of the Dan Abnett HH books (I think it was the Alpha Legion one), the elder alien cartel had seen three futures, one where Horus won (causing a quick Imperium collapse and a relatively fast recovery), one where the Emperor won (slow and brutal war decimating the entire galaxy), and the worst possible one, where they basically killed each other (resulting in a horrible future where the Imperium starts brutalizing its own people and creates a festering ground for chaos over the course of 10,000 years and an effectively endless war).
Guess which one happened? But honestly, in 40K there really isn't destiny other than what is written down by the game designers. Prophesy is, and always has been, fickle. The worst things happen in 40K because that's the conceit of the storyline, not because they were specifically predestined in-universe.
One thing I like they are doing in The Horus Heresy with Alpha Legion
Omega on the other hand even before the end game has started is laying the ground work for him and the Alpha Legion marines loyal to him to betray not only Horus but the rest of Alpha Legion in an effort to destroy their betrayal if he decides they've gone to far and the plan has failed.
Add into what happens between Roboute and Alpha/Omega after the Heresy. You are left with the unanswered question. Did one of the twins die in the fight with the Primarch of the Ultramarines? And if one did...which one. The betrayer or the one secretly loyal.
I'm saying, right? It seems so obvious
although I don't really like RTS games; turned based 40k or gtfo
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
Can we please get Eugene to do Wargame: 40k already?
It's all I want.
Gaunt's Ghosts.
But seriously, a Sister's of Battle game would not only star a Female protagonist, but also you could do the most ridiculous ramping up power curve ever. We are talking Zone of Ender's style stake raising.
From normal Sister fighting...let's say Nid's, to the normal forces of Chaos to full on Chaos space marines and getting overwhelmed to Bloodletter's to WHOOPS YOU'RE A LIVING SAINT NOW, GO FORTH, AND FIGHT GREATER CHAOS DAEMON.
EDIT; providing we find out what happened to Captain Titus.
Or Space Marine : Grey Knight.
how you doing son!
so I can finally experience them without dropping $texas on books.
The troops are fuckin pricy at any rate, though the truck could be really cool and the knights themselves have potential