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The Star Wars Thread: A New Hope for Social Entropy

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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    It would have made so much more sense if Kamino was in on the whole scheme with Palpatine. They are arms dealers who would benefit a lot from war. Palpatine promises them that he'll turn the Republic into a military dictatorship where they can become the main supplier of weapons to the government. They secretly build an army for Palpatine and eliminate uncooperative senators and replace them with clones.

    Yeah but see that sounds moderately interesting, is the problem

    I have to admit that I'm weirdly entertained by how Kenobi just hits these lucky breaks in his investigation by blind chance

    When the cloners are like, don't you want to go see all the secret shit we're doing here? And he just flashes that grin and says That's why I'm here!

    The whole plot is such garbage but Ewan McGregor just rolls with it and it's great

    I could be crazy but I think those were less blind strokes of luck and more Palpantine having a ridiculously complicated plan for getting the Republic an army. I mean that seems to be what the movies imply but on the other hand Obi-wan is led to the Cloners because of a dart randomly jammed into Jango's assistant for no reason. Or wait, maybe that actually makes more sense.

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    OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    I just started watching a video-LP of The Force Unleashed and I gotta say I like the first meeting of Starkiller, Proxy and Eclipse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6rGMhz7BCAo#t=124

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    MachwingMachwing It looks like a harmless old computer, doesn't it? Left in this cave to rot ... or to flower!Registered User regular
    Olivaw wrote: »
    "Around the survivors, a perimeter create"

    this line stands eternally within the darkest reptillian parts of my brain, gnawing

    driving me to despair

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    The Star Wars EU survives at the liberty of an acceptance of the idea that humanity spawned from the galactic core and brought white-man civilization to all species of single biome planet based humanoids and then created a race of jester droids.

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    MachwingMachwing It looks like a harmless old computer, doesn't it? Left in this cave to rot ... or to flower!Registered User regular
    don't knock super mario rules, man

    even dune had a desert planet

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    NocrenNocren Lt Futz, Back in Action North CarolinaRegistered User regular
    Machwing wrote: »
    don't knock super mario rules, man

    even dune had a desert planet

    At least Arrakis had a reason for being a complete desert (the sandworms actually created the desert. When the BG tried to keep a pet worm on Chapterhouse for their own Spice supply, it was slowly turning that planet completely into desert as well).

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    zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    I just looked into what had happened to the Star Wars CCG.

    Has anyone tried this?

    I played back when it was actually produced, I remember it being a fun game.
    The Decipher one? If so, it was fantastic until they started including prequel shit. I like to pretend that never happened, and still have all my cards and tournament ready decks.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    I loved the Decipher CCG. I had a pretty good Ewok swarm deck that I think made my friend quit playing the game entirely

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    AssuranAssuran Is swinging on the Spiral Registered User regular
    I played Scum and Villainy (shocking) and Hidden Base.

    My cousin had a pretty boss Hunt Down deck.

    It's honestly my favorite CCG ever.

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    zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    Yeah, definitely my favorite CCG. It's not particularly close.

    I had a carbon chamber testing deck I really loved for dark side. A changeup was a court of the vile gangster/scum and villany.

    Since I had every variety of the light side mains except DS2 luke, I played a bitchin That's One, Count Me In, and I'm with you too deck. I also occasionally played Hidden Base.

    For just screwing around with friends though, I experimented wildly. I had a deck that was mostly star destroyers, and that was just fun for no good reason.

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    Anon the FelonAnon the Felon In bat country.Registered User regular
    The question becomes: It seems that the "new" cards are free, but... Are the original cards also available? Like, if I wanted to just print off all the cards for the entire game and just treat it like a deck building board game instead of a CCG... Could I? That part seems really unclear.

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    SiliconStewSiliconStew Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    It would have made so much more sense if Kamino was in on the whole scheme with Palpatine. They are arms dealers who would benefit a lot from war. Palpatine promises them that he'll turn the Republic into a military dictatorship where they can become the main supplier of weapons to the government. They secretly build an army for Palpatine and eliminate uncooperative senators and replace them with clones.

    Yeah but see that sounds moderately interesting, is the problem

    I have to admit that I'm weirdly entertained by how Kenobi just hits these lucky breaks in his investigation by blind chance

    When the cloners are like, don't you want to go see all the secret shit we're doing here? And he just flashes that grin and says That's why I'm here!

    The whole plot is such garbage but Ewan McGregor just rolls with it and it's great

    I could be crazy but I think those were less blind strokes of luck and more Palpantine having a ridiculously complicated plan for getting the Republic an army. I mean that seems to be what the movies imply but on the other hand Obi-wan is led to the Cloners because of a dart randomly jammed into Jango's assistant for no reason. Or wait, maybe that actually makes more sense.

    I'd say there wasn't anything random about that dart. Palps plan was to start a war to solidify his power but also eliminate the Jedi threat. He's already got the Republic on the brink of war, but can't just reveal his army (of jedi assassins) without people asking questions. By leading Obi to discover the army himself and also make it seem that it was the Jedi that created the army in the first place, everyone is much more accepting of this gift horse. In that light, it makes sense that noone was being secretive on Kamino. Palps doesn't need to promise anything extra to Kamino or have them hide anything for his plan to work.

    Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Weaver wrote: »
    The Star Wars EU survives at the liberty of an acceptance of the idea that humanity spawned from the galactic core and brought white-man civilization to all species of single biome planet based humanoids and then created a race of jester droids.

    Uh, no, the Ancients were not human, thanks.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Weaver wrote: »
    The Star Wars EU survives at the liberty of an acceptance of the idea that humanity spawned from the galactic core and brought white-man civilization to all species of single biome planet based humanoids and then created a race of jester droids.

    Uh, no, the Ancients were not human, thanks.

    also theres that whole black people an women being in places of power and literally no discussion of ethnicity or gender like veer

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    Anon the FelonAnon the Felon In bat country.Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Weaver wrote: »
    The Star Wars EU survives at the liberty of an acceptance of the idea that humanity spawned from the galactic core and brought white-man civilization to all species of single biome planet based humanoids and then created a race of jester droids.

    Uh, no, the Ancients were not human, thanks.

    also theres that whole black people an women being in places of power and literally no discussion of ethnicity or gender like veer

    I like to believe this deserves no further discussion past: they were far more progressive than we.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Weaver wrote: »
    The Star Wars EU survives at the liberty of an acceptance of the idea that humanity spawned from the galactic core and brought white-man civilization to all species of single biome planet based humanoids and then created a race of jester droids.

    Uh, no, the Ancients were not human, thanks.

    also theres that whole black people an women being in places of power and literally no discussion of ethnicity or gender like veer

    I like to believe this deserves no further discussion past: they were far more progressive than we.

    yes

    except no gays

    at all

    ever

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    Anon the FelonAnon the Felon In bat country.Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    Not every social injustice needs to be addressed at all times. I'd rather they didn't bring it up, than do so poorly.

    Anon the Felon on
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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Weaver wrote: »
    The Star Wars EU survives at the liberty of an acceptance of the idea that humanity spawned from the galactic core and brought white-man civilization to all species of single biome planet based humanoids and then created a race of jester droids.

    Uh, no, the Ancients were not human, thanks.

    also theres that whole black people an women being in places of power and literally no discussion of ethnicity or gender like veer

    I like to believe this deserves no further discussion past: they were far more progressive than we.

    yes

    except no gays

    at all

    ever

    Lucas deciding he didn't want gays to show up in Star Wars media does not mean gays didn't exist, Pip. Death of the fucking author, man.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Weaver wrote: »
    The Star Wars EU survives at the liberty of an acceptance of the idea that humanity spawned from the galactic core and brought white-man civilization to all species of single biome planet based humanoids and then created a race of jester droids.

    Uh, no, the Ancients were not human, thanks.

    also theres that whole black people an women being in places of power and literally no discussion of ethnicity or gender like veer

    I like to believe this deserves no further discussion past: they were far more progressive than we.

    yes

    except no gays

    at all

    ever

    Lucas deciding he didn't want gays to show up in Star Wars media does not mean gays didn't exist, Pip. Death of the fucking author, man.

    tor was the first time homosexuals were allowed to exist that were not immediately retconned away, and that required a massive public outcry

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Because if they aren't talked about, they don't exist, right?

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Because if they aren't talked about, they don't exist, right?

    no, you don't seem to get it

    homosexuals have literally been retconned out because lucas did not want it being in his universe

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Because if they aren't talked about, they don't exist, right?

    no, you don't seem to get it

    homosexuals have literally been retconned out because lucas did not want it being in his universe

    No, I totally get what you're saying, and I'm saying is that Star Wars is more than George Lucas and Lucas' opinion on things in Star Wars now quite literally doesn't fucking matter, since he no longer has any control over the property.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    George Lucas losing ultimate creative control over all facets of the Star Wars universe is the best thing to happen to the franchise in like forever and I really don't think anyone is going to argue about that point.

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    RetabaRetaba A Cultist Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    It would have made so much more sense if Kamino was in on the whole scheme with Palpatine. They are arms dealers who would benefit a lot from war. Palpatine promises them that he'll turn the Republic into a military dictatorship where they can become the main supplier of weapons to the government. They secretly build an army for Palpatine and eliminate uncooperative senators and replace them with clones.

    In the Clone Wars tv series
    Pretty sure the head of the Kamino Government and their top scientist are aware, at the very least, that something shady is going on with the chips. They work hard to prevent the Jedi from discovering it's true purpose.

    Retaba on
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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Because if they aren't talked about, they don't exist, right?

    no, you don't seem to get it

    homosexuals have literally been retconned out because lucas did not want it being in his universe

    No, I totally get what you're saying, and I'm saying is that Star Wars is more than George Lucas and Lucas' opinion on things in Star Wars now quite literally doesn't fucking matter, since he no longer has any control over the property.

    he sadly still has creative control, just not total

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    It would have made so much more sense if Kamino was in on the whole scheme with Palpatine. They are arms dealers who would benefit a lot from war. Palpatine promises them that he'll turn the Republic into a military dictatorship where they can become the main supplier of weapons to the government. They secretly build an army for Palpatine and eliminate uncooperative senators and replace them with clones.

    Yeah but see that sounds moderately interesting, is the problem

    I have to admit that I'm weirdly entertained by how Kenobi just hits these lucky breaks in his investigation by blind chance

    When the cloners are like, don't you want to go see all the secret shit we're doing here? And he just flashes that grin and says That's why I'm here!

    The whole plot is such garbage but Ewan McGregor just rolls with it and it's great

    No, it wasn't dumb luck, it was the Force, you see.

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    Dune

    Gay Resort Planet

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    Imagine a transfeminine character in Star Wars

    It's okay if you can't because it will never happen

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
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    NikolaiNikolai SSSSSSSSSSS Registered User regular
    I got my original ToR account back. Did some Agent missions. Flirted with a guys wife while waiting for him to return. Shot him in the leg while getting information from him. Told him don't bullshit me or I'll be back. Agent really is the best.

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    NikolaiNikolai SSSSSSSSSSS Registered User regular
    I kind of have no idea what I'm doing wrt to combat tho.

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    Anon the FelonAnon the Felon In bat country.Registered User regular
    I just saw that they added player housing.

    Almost got me.

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    NikolaiNikolai SSSSSSSSSSS Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    I pretended like I did a sweet speeder bike wheelie when I left his house.

    Nikolai on
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    MugginsMuggins Registered User regular
    Concealment is the best skill tree for Agent

    Stealthy stabs all day

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    Virgil_Leads_YouVirgil_Leads_You Proud Father House GardenerRegistered User regular
    Dubh wrote: »
    Imagine a transfeminine character in Star Wars

    It's okay if you can't because it will never happen

    Well, they got close with Zam Wesell. She was Boba Fett's mother figure, and Jango's badass assistant/assasin, who he meets in the Bounty Hunter game, and kills with a painless dart in the one of the movies . She was a strong character that had the unique ability to completely change her form and gender at will, and was originally codified with her original sex unknown and with dialog that suggested a male birth sex,
    "You know, a gentleman would turn his back while a lady changes."
    "That's not the sort of changing most people have in mind. And you're no lady."
    "Sometimes I am."
    But someone later wrote her childhood to be that of a lady.

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    is this a Star Wars Clone Wars thing

    I take that a lot more relevant than an EU story

    considering it's a bigger deal by sheer magnitudes

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    Virgil_Leads_YouVirgil_Leads_You Proud Father House GardenerRegistered User regular
    There was a point in Bounty Hunter, i think, where Zam drops her human female appearance, revealing an alien that I had assumed at the time was male, but looking at the character now, I see that someone thought to clarify her history.

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    The Otaku SuppositoryThe Otaku Suppository Bawstan New EnglandRegistered User regular
    Owenashi wrote: »
    I just started watching a video-LP of The Force Unleashed and I gotta say I like the first meeting of Starkiller, Proxy and Eclipse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6rGMhz7BCAo#t=124

    It's probably blasphemy to say this, but I loved the story in TFU. It ranks up there with the original trilogy in terms of well done story imo.

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    oh wait, the Bounty Hunter video game

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    on second thought

    there's a big difference between a shape shifting alien and a trans feminine human

    like, being an alien sorta undermines the point with "it's okay because she's an alien" and doesn't take a more significant narrative risk

    but do I really trust most writers to pull that off?

    not at all

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