There is a bitter and vindictive part of me that wants to say to Yoda, while he's flinching from feeling the sparks of his brother and sister Jedi being snuffed out all over the galaxy, "Rejoice for those who transform into the Force! Mourn them not!"
not gonna lie, I absolutely love any jedi who just dies calmly with a, "There is no death, there is only the force"
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It was just a terrible idea to make the Jedis into some kind of galactic peacekeepers in the first place. It makes no sense to apply a primarily spiritual/mystical/religious philosophy to any organization that's supposed to police the entire galaxy. How are a bunch of space monks/wizards supposed to deal with economic, social, cultural, and political issues that are the root of so many conflicts?
The Jedi could have never prevented the Clone Wars even if no Siths were involved since the Separatists wanted out of the Republic for economic and cultural reasons. There was no way for the Jedi to convince the Trade Federation and their allies to stop being greedy bastards. They had the same problem with the Mandalorian Wars.
If anything, trying to be a police force is what made so many Jedis turn to the Dark Side. In many of those situations, the only way they could keep peace is to enforce their beliefs on other people, which is supposed to be against their code.
the fact that the Jedi are totally cool with a slave state is silly on it's face anyway.
Save 25 minutes of the first movie. Have Qui-gon actually be a good guy and just rescue Anakain and his mom. No need for a 15 minutes fucking pod race or jewish stereotype alien 465
Cloned war slaves are incredibly stupid and shortsighted, as well as being "morally dubious" the same way the ocean is "consistently humid".
I'm not convinced that staffing the officer corps to lead them with a bunch of fourteen-year-old kids from the warrior monastical order is actually an improvement.
How are a bunch of space monks/wizards supposed to deal with economic, social, cultural, and political issues that are the root of so many conflicts?
They're supposed to be enlightened. So they have the intelligence and wherewithal to go into these conflict zones, root out the problems causing the issues, and force everyone into a sit down to work out a deal. If one party refuses, they have the martial ability to force them (or dismantle their power).
We haven't seen that portrayed well, but that was Lucas' idea.
the fact that the Jedi are totally cool with a slave state is silly on it's face anyway.
Save 25 minutes of the first movie. Have Qui-gon actually be a good guy and just rescue Anakain and his mom. No need for a 15 minutes fucking pod race or jewish stereotype alien 465
Yeah, if Qui-Gon was gonna cheat Watto out of the part and Anakin anyhow, he should have just fucking taken them. It amounts to the same thing.
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How are a bunch of space monks/wizards supposed to deal with economic, social, cultural, and political issues that are the root of so many conflicts?
They're supposed to be enlightened. So they have the intelligence and wherewithal to go into these conflict zones, root out the problems causing the issues, and force everyone into a sit down to work out a deal. If one party refuses, they have the martial ability to force them (or dismantle their power).
We haven't seen that portrayed well, but that was Lucas' idea.
But the problem isn't just with the leaders of one group, it's an entire culture/civilization.
The Mandalorian Wars weren't started because the Mandalorian leaders were power hungry, their entire culture was built around conquest and war. It's a similar problem with the Separatists during the Clone Wars, thousands of planets were not happy with whatever arrangements they had with the Republic. How could the Jedi force entire civilizations to change without breaking their code and becoming like the Sith?
How are a bunch of space monks/wizards supposed to deal with economic, social, cultural, and political issues that are the root of so many conflicts?
They're supposed to be enlightened. So they have the intelligence and wherewithal to go into these conflict zones, root out the problems causing the issues, and force everyone into a sit down to work out a deal. If one party refuses, they have the martial ability to force them (or dismantle their power).
We haven't seen that portrayed well, but that was Lucas' idea.
But the problem isn't just with the leaders of one group, it's an entire culture/civilization.
The Mandalorian Wars weren't started because the Mandalorian leaders were power hungry, their entire culture was built around conquest and war. It's a similar problem with the Separatists during the Clone Wars, thousands of planets were not happy with whatever arrangements they had with the Republic. How could the Jedi force entire civilizations to change without breaking their code and becoming like the Sith?
By seeing the points were a small intervention can snowball into a greater change.
Also defeating the Republics enemies by being one man armies.
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How are a bunch of space monks/wizards supposed to deal with economic, social, cultural, and political issues that are the root of so many conflicts?
They're supposed to be enlightened. So they have the intelligence and wherewithal to go into these conflict zones, root out the problems causing the issues, and force everyone into a sit down to work out a deal. If one party refuses, they have the martial ability to force them (or dismantle their power).
We haven't seen that portrayed well, but that was Lucas' idea.
Not in that era, that was the Jedi at their most decadent and ineffective.
Like, with the Mandalorians as the example there would be any number of possibilities:
1) Defeat Mandalor, become Mandalor, lead the Mandalorians to reform, or at least fight for the Republic instead of against it.
2) Find some other dude who if they became Mandalore would lead them to reforms, and use infiltration and trickery to make that happen.
3) Know that if they are defeated in a sufficiently important battle, it will cause enough of a cultural shock to make them back off or a reevaluation of their values.
4) Kill Mandalor, causing the clans to fall into a civil war over succession, thus removing them as a threat to the Republic.
And by meditating and opening yourself to the will of the Force, you can know which of these plans is the best one, and how to carry it out.
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The entire Clone Wars was so completely manufactured and manipulated by Palpatine, it's kind of difficult to say what the result of the war would have been without Sith involvement. I guess you can argue that the current state of the Republic and the complacency of the Jedi allowed for the discontent that resulted in the Clone Wars, or that some type of conflict was inevitable, but you'd be pretty hard pressed to prove that, since by the time we actually see anything happening, Palpatine is already deep into playing and manufacturing events on both sides, and much of his ability to do that was directly impacted by his ability to prevent the normal clairvoyance of the Jedi. Without Palpatine playing the shadowy overlord in Phantom Menace, the Trade Federation actually would have folded. The "use the Jedi as a deterrent" was working, it's just they were more afraid of Sidious than they were of anything else.
Like, with the Mandalorians as the example there would be any number of possibilities:
1) Defeat Mandalor, become Mandalor, lead the Mandalorians to reform, or at least fight for the Republic instead of against it.
2) Find some other dude who if they became Mandalore would lead them to reforms, and use infiltration and trickery to make that happen.
3) Know that if they are defeated in a sufficiently important battle, it will cause enough of a cultural shock to make them back off or a reevaluation of their values.
4) Kill Mandalor, causing the clans to fall into a civil war over succession, thus removing them as a threat to the Republic.
And by meditating and opening yourself to the will of the Force, you can know which of these plans is the best one, and how to carry it out.
I'm pretty sure they would break the Jedi Code if they did some of those things.
The Jedi aren't supposed to rule over others so they can't just take over the Mandalorians.
The Jedi are supposed to respect life and use their powers to defend/protect. That's a bit hard to do during wars. Granted, they can hurt and kill in order to protect themselves or others but how far does that go? It could be argued that preemptive strikes against an enemy will prevent future conflict but how much preemptive action are they allowed to take and still be considered to be protecting people? How do they retain the respecting life aspect of their oath if they have to kill a lot of people? What about having to kill people who were press ganged/forced to fight them?
As for changing a culture, that sort of thing takes a lot of time and resources. It would require the Jedi to be very involved in the politics and culture of various powers in the galaxy. Kind of hard to do that and still remain free of attachments. The Jedi aren't exactly the Bene Gesserit.
In fact, Revan fought the Mandalorians and fell to the Dark Side as a result.
The entire Clone Wars was so completely manufactured and manipulated by Palpatine, it's kind of difficult to say what the result of the war would have been without Sith involvement. I guess you can argue that the current state of the Republic and the complacency of the Jedi allowed for the discontent that resulted in the Clone Wars, or that some type of conflict was inevitable, but you'd be pretty hard pressed to prove that, since by the time we actually see anything happening, Palpatine is already deep into playing and manufacturing events on both sides, and much of his ability to do that was directly impacted by his ability to prevent the normal clairvoyance of the Jedi. Without Palpatine playing the shadowy overlord in Phantom Menace, the Trade Federation actually would have folded. The "use the Jedi as a deterrent" was working, it's just they were more afraid of Sidious than they were of anything else.
Unless Palpatine is much older than I think, it seems unlikely that he's responsible for the ineffectiveness of the Republic Senate or the cultural divide between the Republic and the Separatists. Those are problems that build up over a very long time.
@KingofMadCows Palpatine's Master is the one who started the shit that lead to the Clone Wars. He was a Muun, and one of the major players on the planet, with tons of connections in the banking clan. He systematically bought Senators and screwed up planetary economies and turned various systems against each other in the process. He had been a Sith for about 60 years or so when he started training Palpatine, if I recall, and he doesn't die until the end of Episode I, so that's another like 40 years of him and Palpatine pulling strings to cause tension.
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Unless Palpatine is much older than I think, it seems unlikely that he's responsible for the ineffectiveness of the Republic Senate or the cultural divide between the Republic and the Separatists. Those are problems that build up over a very long time.
Palpatine is older than you think (dude was like 90 at his death), and was a politician from age 12 on. He's not solely responsible - there was external discontent and incompetence - but him and his master had a lot to do with it.
and in Lucas' verse, the minute you break the Code, that's it, you're doooooomed.
One thing I really want to see the newer movies get away from is the notion that the Dark Side is some sort of trap that makes you into an asshole. Being Dark Side should mean that you already were an asshole, not that you tried to do some good things in the "wrong" way (i.e., you were all mad when slicing through a bunch of bad guys, instead of zenned out when slicing through a bunch of bad guys) and the Dark Side "made" you anything. The Emperor was a mass-murdering asshole who just happened to have Force Powers. Anakin/Vader murdered a bunch of children. Saying they did that because of the Dark Side is a huge copout; they decided to go nutso, no different from a genocidal warlord with a fleet.
That the Dark Side is more compatible with people who are monsters should be an incidental thing, not a causal one. Yeah, the Dark Side makes it more rewarding and easier to be a monster, but the choice is definitely yours. None of this bullshit where you can be some halfway-decent guy one day and then throw away literally everything that defines you the next, just because it suddenly fits the plot that the Dark Side takes away all your ability to think for yourself.
and in Lucas' verse, the minute you break the Code, that's it, you're doooooomed.
Even without heel face turns, fighting a war is still extremely taxing on a person's psyche. If the Dark Side gives a person access to powers that can save lives or destroy the enemy faster then that's going to be tempting for anyone who's involved in the war. Not to mention the pressures put on the Jedi by the people they're leading/defending.
and in Lucas' verse, the minute you break the Code, that's it, you're doooooomed.
One thing I really want to see the newer movies get away from is the notion that the Dark Side is some sort of trap that makes you into an asshole. Being Dark Side should mean that you already were an asshole, not that you tried to do some good things in the "wrong" way (i.e., you were all mad when slicing through a bunch of bad guys, instead of zenned out when slicing through a bunch of bad guys) and the Dark Side "made" you anything. The Emperor was a mass-murdering asshole who just happened to have Force Powers. Anakin/Vader murdered a bunch of children. Saying they did that because of the Dark Side is a huge copout; they decided to go nutso, no different from a genocidal warlord with a fleet.
That the Dark Side is more compatible with people who are monsters should be an incidental thing, not a causal one. Yeah, the Dark Side makes it more rewarding and easier to be a monster, but the choice is definitely yours. None of this bullshit where you can be some halfway-decent guy one day and then throw away literally everything that defines you the next, just because it suddenly fits the plot that the Dark Side takes away all your ability to think for yourself.
That's not a cop-out, and having the dark side just be a side effect or whatever invalidates the redemption arc of Anakin and Vader, and makes Luke look like an idiot. Plus, it gets way into Mary Sue territory (it's been done before: my special Jedi is so badass that he can use the dark side and still be a good guy!).
Yoda says directly, "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny." If Vader could have just decided at any time to stop being a dickbag, it makes his monumental struggle and ultimate sacrifice much less meaningful. Same with Luke refusing to just give in to the dark side for 10 minutes so he could snap Vader like a twig and toss Palpatine down that shaft on his own, then just deciding that he's not actually a bad guy and going on his way. If that was actually a perfectly viable option, then he looks like a complete moron for not taking it. Or when Vader asked him to join forces so they could take down Palpatine and rule the galaxy themselves: if he could have done that, then just asked Vader to stop being evil because his evil puppet master isn't around anymore, that's a much bigger cop-out than Vader not having a real choice, except to throw his life away in one last noble endeavour for the sake of his children.
It's not meant to be subtle. It's black and white because that's what Star Wars is at its best. The idea isn't completely that the dark side makes you evil and you're evil forever, it's that the dark side taints you for life, and the struggle to overcome it will probably be the last thing you ever do.
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The dark side is dangerous, to me, because of two things: one, the Force gives you a lot more power to be corrupted by (absolutely, etc.). This is the main reason that being powerful isn't what being a Jedi is all about. Sure, it's useful to be the strongest Jedi around, but all the power in the galaxy means nothing if you aren't using it properly.
Two, the Force seems to act as an amplifier: it doesn't just reflect what you're doing, it makes you more you. Cockiness becomes arrogance; compassion becomes self-sacrifice. It's a feedback loop--you act like you, the Force allows you to act more like you--to know that what you're doing is what you want to do, or what's right, or whatever, while allowing you to do it better than ever before. The result is fed back into the function that is your thought processes and it all starts again.
There's no gray because having the Force and using it turns you into an extremist, for good or ill.
Two, the Force seems to act as an amplifier: it doesn't just reflect what you're doing, it makes you more you. Cockiness becomes arrogance; compassion becomes self-sacrifice. It's a feedback loop--you act like you, the Force allows you to act more like you--to know that what you're doing is what you want to do, or what's right, or whatever, while allowing you to do it better than ever before. The result is fed back into the function that is your thought processes and it all starts again.
This right here has been my personal interpretation of the Force for like a decade. The Force is an emotional amplifier, and that is why the Jedi forbid even positive emotions like Love, because if you amplify them enough, they become bad.
Two, the Force seems to act as an amplifier: it doesn't just reflect what you're doing, it makes you more you. Cockiness becomes arrogance; compassion becomes self-sacrifice. It's a feedback loop--you act like you, the Force allows you to act more like you--to know that what you're doing is what you want to do, or what's right, or whatever, while allowing you to do it better than ever before. The result is fed back into the function that is your thought processes and it all starts again.
This right here has been my personal interpretation of the Force for like a decade. The Force is an emotional amplifier, and that is why the Jedi forbid even positive emotions like Love, because if you amplify them enough, they become bad.
The mental image of Huey Lewis running around singing "THAT'S THE POWERRR OF LOVE!" as he fries people with force lightning is going to be a wonderful one to go to bed on.
Finished New Dawn last night, and I quite enjoyed it. It was a fun adventure with a taste of Firefly and a dash of Guardians of the Galaxy, while still being rooted in the OT. Good main villain, and all the protagonists were entertaining.
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So, for those who don't know, the "first" (its a double-ep) of Rebels is up on Disney XD's website/app to watch if you've got that channel.
I watched it last night with my wife and we both enjoyed it. It was definitely a pilot, a little rough and a bit rushed as they were basically looking to get Kanan/Ezra into the master/apprentice roles, and introduce the Inquisitor all by the end of it. A few lines weren't delivered as well as they should have been, but then the same characters do really well in other bits, so I have faith that that'll get ironed out as the season progresses. This is definitely FUN Star Wars, and if that's okay with you, you'll probably enjoy it. Plus, its got a rare hairless wookiee!
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the fact that the Jedi are totally cool with a slave state is silly on it's face anyway.
Save 25 minutes of the first movie. Have Qui-gon actually be a good guy and just rescue Anakain and his mom. No need for a 15 minutes fucking pod race or jewish stereotype alien 465
And then that brain cell kicks in that remembers that Liam Neeson played Oskar Schindler and that "Jedi being totally ok with slave labor and horrible Jewish stereotypes" thing gets extra weird.
So, for those who don't know, the "first" (its a double-ep) of Rebels is up on Disney XD's website/app to watch if you've got that channel.
I watched it last night with my wife and we both enjoyed it. It was definitely a pilot, a little rough and a bit rushed as they were basically looking to get Kanan/Ezra into the master/apprentice roles, and introduce the Inquisitor all by the end of it. A few lines weren't delivered as well as they should have been, but then the same characters do really well in other bits, so I have faith that that'll get ironed out as the season progresses. This is definitely FUN Star Wars, and if that's okay with you, you'll probably enjoy it. Plus, its got a rare hairless wookiee!
Just saw it myself and also found it enjoyable. There's a lot of potential here, I just hope they don't waste it.
I don't think Tatooine was part of the Republic, so weather they were cool with it or not is pretty irrelevant.
Tatooine would be a pretty good example of the failure of the Republic and the Jedi. It's in the path of Republic planets so the Republic could exert an influence on it if it wanted. However, since the planet is a poor useless desert without a lot of useful resources, technology, or skilled labor, the Republic has nothing to gain by helping it, they're willing to turn a blind eye to what goes on there.
I don't think Tatooine was part of the Republic, so weather they were cool with it or not is pretty irrelevant.
Tatooine would be a pretty good example of the failure of the Republic and the Jedi. It's in the path of Republic planets so the Republic could exert an influence on it if it wanted. However, since the planet is a poor useless desert without a lot of useful resources, technology, or skilled labor, the Republic has nothing to gain by helping it, they're willing to turn a blind eye to what goes on there.
Do the Jedi actually give a shit about jurisdiction?
This is a serious question. There seems to be suggestions either way. This is separate of the practical concern of, "A pair of Jedi cannot fight an entire war (unless they do, which they sometime do)."
I got the impression that the Republic works in such a way that any world that is not deliberately at war with the central government is, in fact, part of the Republic, in spirit if not in practice, and that all other worlds--the ones at war--are dissident societies in a state of rebellion. But that could certainly not be the case, the legal arrangement of these worlds isn't explained worth a shit for the most part.
Apparently, the Jedi are the supreme moral authority, so it's not that unbelievable that they might not that be impressed by the argument of a lack of jurisdiction.
During the Clone Wars, if a planet was neutral, the Jedi weren't supposed to help. If there are neutral worlds, obviously they aren't part of the Republic.
Also, New Dawn talks specifically about how the Republic was crazy slow to admit new systems, so, yeah, things definitely existed outside the Republic.
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I somehow don't think Qui Gon or Obi Wan wanted to piss off the Hutts and have an army of assassins after them. Especially with no help from the Republic to back them up. I know Jedi are tough, but I'm not sure if they can stand up to that.
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The Jedi could have never prevented the Clone Wars even if no Siths were involved since the Separatists wanted out of the Republic for economic and cultural reasons. There was no way for the Jedi to convince the Trade Federation and their allies to stop being greedy bastards. They had the same problem with the Mandalorian Wars.
If anything, trying to be a police force is what made so many Jedis turn to the Dark Side. In many of those situations, the only way they could keep peace is to enforce their beliefs on other people, which is supposed to be against their code.
Save 25 minutes of the first movie. Have Qui-gon actually be a good guy and just rescue Anakain and his mom. No need for a 15 minutes fucking pod race or jewish stereotype alien 465
I'm not convinced that staffing the officer corps to lead them with a bunch of fourteen-year-old kids from the warrior monastical order is actually an improvement.
We haven't seen that portrayed well, but that was Lucas' idea.
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Yeah, if Qui-Gon was gonna cheat Watto out of the part and Anakin anyhow, he should have just fucking taken them. It amounts to the same thing.
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But the problem isn't just with the leaders of one group, it's an entire culture/civilization.
The Mandalorian Wars weren't started because the Mandalorian leaders were power hungry, their entire culture was built around conquest and war. It's a similar problem with the Separatists during the Clone Wars, thousands of planets were not happy with whatever arrangements they had with the Republic. How could the Jedi force entire civilizations to change without breaking their code and becoming like the Sith?
By seeing the points were a small intervention can snowball into a greater change.
Also defeating the Republics enemies by being one man armies.
Not in that era, that was the Jedi at their most decadent and ineffective.
1) Defeat Mandalor, become Mandalor, lead the Mandalorians to reform, or at least fight for the Republic instead of against it.
2) Find some other dude who if they became Mandalore would lead them to reforms, and use infiltration and trickery to make that happen.
3) Know that if they are defeated in a sufficiently important battle, it will cause enough of a cultural shock to make them back off or a reevaluation of their values.
4) Kill Mandalor, causing the clans to fall into a civil war over succession, thus removing them as a threat to the Republic.
And by meditating and opening yourself to the will of the Force, you can know which of these plans is the best one, and how to carry it out.
I'm pretty sure they would break the Jedi Code if they did some of those things.
The Jedi aren't supposed to rule over others so they can't just take over the Mandalorians.
The Jedi are supposed to respect life and use their powers to defend/protect. That's a bit hard to do during wars. Granted, they can hurt and kill in order to protect themselves or others but how far does that go? It could be argued that preemptive strikes against an enemy will prevent future conflict but how much preemptive action are they allowed to take and still be considered to be protecting people? How do they retain the respecting life aspect of their oath if they have to kill a lot of people? What about having to kill people who were press ganged/forced to fight them?
As for changing a culture, that sort of thing takes a lot of time and resources. It would require the Jedi to be very involved in the politics and culture of various powers in the galaxy. Kind of hard to do that and still remain free of attachments. The Jedi aren't exactly the Bene Gesserit.
In fact, Revan fought the Mandalorians and fell to the Dark Side as a result.
Unless Palpatine is much older than I think, it seems unlikely that he's responsible for the ineffectiveness of the Republic Senate or the cultural divide between the Republic and the Separatists. Those are problems that build up over a very long time.
Kreia lied, that's her whole purpose: betrayal.
Palpatine is older than you think (dude was like 90 at his death), and was a politician from age 12 on. He's not solely responsible - there was external discontent and incompetence - but him and his master had a lot to do with it.
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Wars tend to cause people to become angry and hateful.
Regardless of whether Kreia lied, Revan had to break the Jedi Code in order to win the war against the Mandalorians.
One thing I really want to see the newer movies get away from is the notion that the Dark Side is some sort of trap that makes you into an asshole. Being Dark Side should mean that you already were an asshole, not that you tried to do some good things in the "wrong" way (i.e., you were all mad when slicing through a bunch of bad guys, instead of zenned out when slicing through a bunch of bad guys) and the Dark Side "made" you anything. The Emperor was a mass-murdering asshole who just happened to have Force Powers. Anakin/Vader murdered a bunch of children. Saying they did that because of the Dark Side is a huge copout; they decided to go nutso, no different from a genocidal warlord with a fleet.
That the Dark Side is more compatible with people who are monsters should be an incidental thing, not a causal one. Yeah, the Dark Side makes it more rewarding and easier to be a monster, but the choice is definitely yours. None of this bullshit where you can be some halfway-decent guy one day and then throw away literally everything that defines you the next, just because it suddenly fits the plot that the Dark Side takes away all your ability to think for yourself.
Even without heel face turns, fighting a war is still extremely taxing on a person's psyche. If the Dark Side gives a person access to powers that can save lives or destroy the enemy faster then that's going to be tempting for anyone who's involved in the war. Not to mention the pressures put on the Jedi by the people they're leading/defending.
That's not a cop-out, and having the dark side just be a side effect or whatever invalidates the redemption arc of Anakin and Vader, and makes Luke look like an idiot. Plus, it gets way into Mary Sue territory (it's been done before: my special Jedi is so badass that he can use the dark side and still be a good guy!).
Yoda says directly, "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny." If Vader could have just decided at any time to stop being a dickbag, it makes his monumental struggle and ultimate sacrifice much less meaningful. Same with Luke refusing to just give in to the dark side for 10 minutes so he could snap Vader like a twig and toss Palpatine down that shaft on his own, then just deciding that he's not actually a bad guy and going on his way. If that was actually a perfectly viable option, then he looks like a complete moron for not taking it. Or when Vader asked him to join forces so they could take down Palpatine and rule the galaxy themselves: if he could have done that, then just asked Vader to stop being evil because his evil puppet master isn't around anymore, that's a much bigger cop-out than Vader not having a real choice, except to throw his life away in one last noble endeavour for the sake of his children.
It's not meant to be subtle. It's black and white because that's what Star Wars is at its best. The idea isn't completely that the dark side makes you evil and you're evil forever, it's that the dark side taints you for life, and the struggle to overcome it will probably be the last thing you ever do.
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Two, the Force seems to act as an amplifier: it doesn't just reflect what you're doing, it makes you more you. Cockiness becomes arrogance; compassion becomes self-sacrifice. It's a feedback loop--you act like you, the Force allows you to act more like you--to know that what you're doing is what you want to do, or what's right, or whatever, while allowing you to do it better than ever before. The result is fed back into the function that is your thought processes and it all starts again.
There's no gray because having the Force and using it turns you into an extremist, for good or ill.
This right here has been my personal interpretation of the Force for like a decade. The Force is an emotional amplifier, and that is why the Jedi forbid even positive emotions like Love, because if you amplify them enough, they become bad.
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The mental image of Huey Lewis running around singing "THAT'S THE POWERRR OF LOVE!" as he fries people with force lightning is going to be a wonderful one to go to bed on.
I watched it last night with my wife and we both enjoyed it. It was definitely a pilot, a little rough and a bit rushed as they were basically looking to get Kanan/Ezra into the master/apprentice roles, and introduce the Inquisitor all by the end of it. A few lines weren't delivered as well as they should have been, but then the same characters do really well in other bits, so I have faith that that'll get ironed out as the season progresses. This is definitely FUN Star Wars, and if that's okay with you, you'll probably enjoy it. Plus, its got a rare hairless wookiee!
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And then that brain cell kicks in that remembers that Liam Neeson played Oskar Schindler and that "Jedi being totally ok with slave labor and horrible Jewish stereotypes" thing gets extra weird.
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I did it via Apple TV. Have to sign-up like with HBO Go, but then it was under Featured.
If that hack Zimmer gets anywhere near Star Wars I will lose my shit.
Tatooine would be a pretty good example of the failure of the Republic and the Jedi. It's in the path of Republic planets so the Republic could exert an influence on it if it wanted. However, since the planet is a poor useless desert without a lot of useful resources, technology, or skilled labor, the Republic has nothing to gain by helping it, they're willing to turn a blind eye to what goes on there.
Do the Jedi actually give a shit about jurisdiction?
This is a serious question. There seems to be suggestions either way. This is separate of the practical concern of, "A pair of Jedi cannot fight an entire war (unless they do, which they sometime do)."
I got the impression that the Republic works in such a way that any world that is not deliberately at war with the central government is, in fact, part of the Republic, in spirit if not in practice, and that all other worlds--the ones at war--are dissident societies in a state of rebellion. But that could certainly not be the case, the legal arrangement of these worlds isn't explained worth a shit for the most part.
Apparently, the Jedi are the supreme moral authority, so it's not that unbelievable that they might not that be impressed by the argument of a lack of jurisdiction.
Also, New Dawn talks specifically about how the Republic was crazy slow to admit new systems, so, yeah, things definitely existed outside the Republic.
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