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I'm not into just letting trailers get a pass because they're teasers or early or whatever. If you don't have a finished product to show, with the intent of the film, that's on your (the studios) head. You don't go to a job interview in surfer shorts and Ron Jon sleeveless shirt and then go "oh this isn't what I really am, brah."
Like with the Ant-Man "teaser" which was also bad (and this FF isn't a teaser either, it's a 90 second trailer), just putting something together should not be the end goal.
Look at it this way; I knew nothing about the FF movie outside of the cast before today. Wasn't really looking to dislike it, I actually want Fox to make a good movie to keep the rights so they're some competition in the superhero movie genre. Now they show that trailer, and I see things I don't like. That's not really on me, they chose to show us all that stuff as the first foot forward, they provided the tools for me to form that opinion on.
For me its just that fox has put up two incompetent ff movies, and only put this out much like spiderman with sony, so they can keep the rights to it. Marvels first family deserves to return to Marvel not be locked up in some development hell with fox.
They've also been putting out the X-Men movies which have been occasionally actually pretty good.
For me its just that fox has put up two incompetent ff movies, and only put this out much like spiderman with sony, so they can keep the rights to it. Marvels first family deserves to return to Marvel not be locked up in some development hell with fox.
They've also been putting out the X-Men movies which have been occasionally actually pretty good.
Different group though, and even then I'd like xmen to go back to marvel as well. I think its garbage that the IP originator is not allowed to make movies with their own characters, however hilarious it is that it happened to marvel after they've fucked over their own artists for years.
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Anyway, I don't get the negativity. Nothing looks obviously bad like the last 2 FF movies, it can't be worse then them, the director can do good superhero stuff (see - Chronicle), the actors are all good afaik and the trailer looks good from what very little it shows so, yeah, why so down?
There's been 2 goddamn FF movies???
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Anyway, I don't get the negativity. Nothing looks obviously bad like the last 2 FF movies, it can't be worse then them, the director can do good superhero stuff (see - Chronicle), the actors are all good afaik and the trailer looks good from what very little it shows so, yeah, why so down?
For me its just that fox has put up two incompetent ff movies, and only put this out much like spiderman with sony, so they can keep the rights to it. Marvels first family deserves to return to Marvel not be locked up in some development hell with fox.
This worries me more than the trailer frankly.
Doing a dark FF seems perfectly fine, especially for their origin story, where they have had established lives and now can't every go back to the way things were. You can present the story so that it moves from normalcy to existential horror to acceptance, kind of like a coming of age movie. We don't even need them to succeed in the end just accept that they're superhero scientists now. Doom can defeat them and fuck off the latveria and the FF can say "well we did what was right and we're going to keep doing it".
That being said I almost like the fact Marvel doesn't have the rights. They did a good job with the avengers but at some point you can't keep adding Heros to the same world, you just have to accept that they're different stories and that Thor and the fantastic 4 don't exist in the same continuity.
Part of that is because too many main characters breaks movies but similarly too many villains. All of a sudden we need explanations for why x and y aren't helping. And the answer is never satisfying; either it implies the threat wasn't big enough, or the outcome not in question, or that something else more interesting is going on elsewhere.
I'm not into just letting trailers get a pass because they're teasers or early or whatever. If you don't have a finished product to show, with the intent of the film, that's on your (the studios) head. You don't go to a job interview in surfer shorts and Ron Jon sleeveless shirt and then go "oh this isn't what I really am, brah."
Like with the Ant-Man "teaser" which was also bad (and this FF isn't a teaser either, it's a 90 second trailer), just putting something together should not be the end goal.
Look at it this way; I knew nothing about the FF movie outside of the cast before today. Wasn't really looking to dislike it, I actually want Fox to make a good movie to keep the rights so they're some competition in the superhero movie genre. Now they show that trailer, and I see things I don't like. That's not really on me, they chose to show us all that stuff as the first foot forward, they provided the tools for me to form that opinion on.
But this is not what you are doing. You are inferring things from the trailer based on nothing. You said, for instance, it was "ashamed of showing powers". No, the CGI just isn't done.
Like, if you wanna say this trailer is crap, sure. But you are saying you see things in the trailer that you don't like when it reality you are just seeing what you want to see into the trailer.
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I'm not into just letting trailers get a pass because they're teasers or early or whatever. If you don't have a finished product to show, with the intent of the film, that's on your (the studios) head. You don't go to a job interview in surfer shorts and Ron Jon sleeveless shirt and then go "oh this isn't what I really am, brah."
Like with the Ant-Man "teaser" which was also bad (and this FF isn't a teaser either, it's a 90 second trailer), just putting something together should not be the end goal.
Look at it this way; I knew nothing about the FF movie outside of the cast before today. Wasn't really looking to dislike it, I actually want Fox to make a good movie to keep the rights so they're some competition in the superhero movie genre. Now they show that trailer, and I see things I don't like. That's not really on me, they chose to show us all that stuff as the first foot forward, they provided the tools for me to form that opinion on.
But this is not what you are doing. You are inferring things from the trailer based on nothing. You said, for instance, it was "ashamed of showing powers". No, the CGI just isn't done.
Like, if you wanna say this trailer is crap, sure. But you are saying you see things in the trailer that you don't like when it reality you are just seeing what you want to see into the trailer.
If the CGI isn't done, don't show that scene then. Or delay the trailer. I don't know how it becomes the viewer's onus to understand outside factors about a trailer. Inferring is a natural response to trailers in a hope it makes the audience want to pay to see more, and there it's simply a difference of we see in the film.
Compared to other trailers, even Ant-Man, they make sure to show you what's being used, from X-Men powers to Superman squatting and flying away or Iron Man blowing up a tank with a small missile.
Yeah I do tire of tent pole special effects explosion movies releasing a trailer even a teaser that doesn't have their effects done. That's just dumb. It's like when games release trailers years before they finish the game and then cause people to be angry with a rushed shitty product that doesn't live up to the trailer...
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I'm not into just letting trailers get a pass because they're teasers or early or whatever. If you don't have a finished product to show, with the intent of the film, that's on your (the studios) head. You don't go to a job interview in surfer shorts and Ron Jon sleeveless shirt and then go "oh this isn't what I really am, brah."
Like with the Ant-Man "teaser" which was also bad (and this FF isn't a teaser either, it's a 90 second trailer), just putting something together should not be the end goal.
Look at it this way; I knew nothing about the FF movie outside of the cast before today. Wasn't really looking to dislike it, I actually want Fox to make a good movie to keep the rights so they're some competition in the superhero movie genre. Now they show that trailer, and I see things I don't like. That's not really on me, they chose to show us all that stuff as the first foot forward, they provided the tools for me to form that opinion on.
But this is not what you are doing. You are inferring things from the trailer based on nothing. You said, for instance, it was "ashamed of showing powers". No, the CGI just isn't done.
Like, if you wanna say this trailer is crap, sure. But you are saying you see things in the trailer that you don't like when it reality you are just seeing what you want to see into the trailer.
If the CGI isn't done, don't show that scene then. Or delay the trailer. I don't know how it becomes the viewer's onus to understand outside factors about a trailer. Inferring is a natural response to trailers in a hope it makes the audience want to pay to see more, and there it's simply a difference of we see in the film.
Compared to other trailers, even Ant-Man, they make sure to show you what's being used, from X-Men powers to Superman squatting and flying away or Iron Man blowing up a tank with a small missile.
Ant-Man trailer doesn't show shit either. And they didn't show the scene in the FF trailer. That's what you complained about.
I don't think it's on the viewer to understand why there's little CGI in the trailer, but I think it's on the viewer to not be goddamn silly about their reaction too. I think it's absolutely silly to pretend from the first trailer that the movie is ashamed of it's super-powers. Or that it's going to be grimdark or something.
Or really, that the trailer necessarily tells you much about the finished product. It's not like the director makes them.
Yeah I do tire of tent pole special effects explosion movies releasing a trailer even a teaser that doesn't have their effects done. That's just dumb. It's like when games release trailers years before they finish the game and then cause people to be angry with a rushed shitty product that doesn't live up to the trailer...
Agreed. Ant-Man trailer felt overly rushed and thus underwhelming too.
At the same time, considering this is movie number 3 in less then 10 years, I don't think the trailer has any obligation to establish what the FF can do.
I completely agree with ant man as well, then again the second tier avengers are all pretty meh to me. So its like "Hooray a movie for a character I only know for one trait of a previous dude played by a guy I only find funny in small doses."
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I completely agree with ant man as well, then again the second tier avengers are all pretty meh to me. So its like "Hooray a movie for a character I only know for one trait of a previous dude played by a guy I only find funny in small doses."
I don't know anything about Ant-Man. And I imagine I'm pretty common in that respect.
The problem with the Ant-Man trailer is that it doesn't do anything for someone who doesn't know anything about Ant-Man.
That must be it for me. I dunno I didn't know a whole lot about Thor either but the original trailer at least was like "Yeah give me some thor!" Same with Iron man didn't know a whole lot about him, but it delivers everything a trailer should deliver and makes you go "When's that shit coming out?"
Yeah, the Iron Man trailer is a solid example of good work. They show you the type of character he is, they lay out at least the sketch of his basic origin/conflict and they show you the kick-ass things he can do. And they do it to a fun soundtrack that establishes the tone of the movie.
And then you get Iron Man 2 trailer and they already assume you know what's up so they start establishing a bit of the new elements and their powers and push a "now there's a new danger". And IM3 trailer pushes that even further. More sombre, more dark.
Cause you've already established the character and the power in the last movie so now you go for establishing the drama of the conflict.
And that's the way all trailers should be, don't show me a trailer for a movie if that trailer can't tell a good story.
I mean I remember the John Wick trailer came out like a month before the actual movie did, and that too had a great trailer that told you everything you needed to know.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Anyway, I don't get the negativity. Nothing looks obviously bad like the last 2 FF movies, it can't be worse then them, the director can do good superhero stuff (see - Chronicle), the actors are all good afaik and the trailer looks good from what very little it shows so, yeah, why so down?
Looks good aside from Gary Oldman obviously being the bad guy.
he's not. the guy in the hat who looks like paddy considine is probably the bad guy.
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I dunno. I thought the FF trailer showed a lot of quality, and I agree with Shryke that Fox probably doesn't need to worry about establishing what the FF is all about at this point. If anything, they need to establish that this new series isn't going to be the craptacular cheesefest they let it be under Tim Story's tepid direction, and I think the Christopher Nolan-aping aesthetic and long wide-angle shots go a long way in pointing out that Fox is taking a more mature tack with the material, which honestly I appreciate. It could be "grimdark," is suppose, but I didn't particularly find Days of Future Past to be all that pointlessly grim, so I don't have real good reason to wail and gnash my teeth unless I just want to -- which I don't.
Let's show some cautious optimism, people.
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Like with the Ant-Man "teaser" which was also bad (and this FF isn't a teaser either, it's a 90 second trailer), just putting something together should not be the end goal.
Look at it this way; I knew nothing about the FF movie outside of the cast before today. Wasn't really looking to dislike it, I actually want Fox to make a good movie to keep the rights so they're some competition in the superhero movie genre. Now they show that trailer, and I see things I don't like. That's not really on me, they chose to show us all that stuff as the first foot forward, they provided the tools for me to form that opinion on.
They've also been putting out the X-Men movies which have been occasionally actually pretty good.
Different group though, and even then I'd like xmen to go back to marvel as well. I think its garbage that the IP originator is not allowed to make movies with their own characters, however hilarious it is that it happened to marvel after they've fucked over their own artists for years.
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Three, actually.
This is a stealth prequel to John Wick, where two lady assassins go to kill John and man I know I'm stretching I just want more John Wick.
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This worries me more than the trailer frankly.
Doing a dark FF seems perfectly fine, especially for their origin story, where they have had established lives and now can't every go back to the way things were. You can present the story so that it moves from normalcy to existential horror to acceptance, kind of like a coming of age movie. We don't even need them to succeed in the end just accept that they're superhero scientists now. Doom can defeat them and fuck off the latveria and the FF can say "well we did what was right and we're going to keep doing it".
That being said I almost like the fact Marvel doesn't have the rights. They did a good job with the avengers but at some point you can't keep adding Heros to the same world, you just have to accept that they're different stories and that Thor and the fantastic 4 don't exist in the same continuity.
Part of that is because too many main characters breaks movies but similarly too many villains. All of a sudden we need explanations for why x and y aren't helping. And the answer is never satisfying; either it implies the threat wasn't big enough, or the outcome not in question, or that something else more interesting is going on elsewhere.
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But this is not what you are doing. You are inferring things from the trailer based on nothing. You said, for instance, it was "ashamed of showing powers". No, the CGI just isn't done.
Like, if you wanna say this trailer is crap, sure. But you are saying you see things in the trailer that you don't like when it reality you are just seeing what you want to see into the trailer.
Holy shit.
If the CGI isn't done, don't show that scene then. Or delay the trailer. I don't know how it becomes the viewer's onus to understand outside factors about a trailer. Inferring is a natural response to trailers in a hope it makes the audience want to pay to see more, and there it's simply a difference of we see in the film.
Compared to other trailers, even Ant-Man, they make sure to show you what's being used, from X-Men powers to Superman squatting and flying away or Iron Man blowing up a tank with a small missile.
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Ant-Man trailer doesn't show shit either. And they didn't show the scene in the FF trailer. That's what you complained about.
I don't think it's on the viewer to understand why there's little CGI in the trailer, but I think it's on the viewer to not be goddamn silly about their reaction too. I think it's absolutely silly to pretend from the first trailer that the movie is ashamed of it's super-powers. Or that it's going to be grimdark or something.
Or really, that the trailer necessarily tells you much about the finished product. It's not like the director makes them.
Agreed. Ant-Man trailer felt overly rushed and thus underwhelming too.
At the same time, considering this is movie number 3 in less then 10 years, I don't think the trailer has any obligation to establish what the FF can do.
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I don't know anything about Ant-Man. And I imagine I'm pretty common in that respect.
The problem with the Ant-Man trailer is that it doesn't do anything for someone who doesn't know anything about Ant-Man.
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And then you get Iron Man 2 trailer and they already assume you know what's up so they start establishing a bit of the new elements and their powers and push a "now there's a new danger". And IM3 trailer pushes that even further. More sombre, more dark.
Cause you've already established the character and the power in the last movie so now you go for establishing the drama of the conflict.
I mean I remember the John Wick trailer came out like a month before the actual movie did, and that too had a great trailer that told you everything you needed to know.
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Other than that it could be a very interesting movie.
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Looks good aside from Gary Oldman obviously being the bad guy.
he's not. the guy in the hat who looks like paddy considine is probably the bad guy.
Let's show some cautious optimism, people.
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