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  • McFlynnMcFlynn Registered User regular
    It would be a Star Trek thread where "nerd" and "virgin" are still used as insults.

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    McFlynn wrote: »
    DS9 had that episode where Dax wanted to run off with her former host's lover who also happened to be female. The episode was great for a mid-90's show because it had absolutely nothing to do with lesbianism. Everyone was completely cool with the fact that they were both female, it was just the imaginary space alien rules they were worried about.

    That's an example of an episode that they managed to make despite the powers that be, not because of them though.

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    McFlynn wrote: »
    It would be a Star Trek thread where "nerd" and "virgin" are still used as insults.

    I'm not using them as insults, I'm using them to describe what I'm seeing!

    "The treatment of sexuality in this series is as if it were written by a virginal shut-in" is descriptive. I guess I could say it was "clueless and immature" but really it accomplishes the same thing.

  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Yeah the Risa episode of DS9 has a really... teenager-ish? ... view of sexuality.

    I think otherwise DS9 did OK with sexuality. Kira had boyfriends that she obviously had sex with. Dax and Kira discussed their relationships. Sisko had a girlfriend, who eventually got pregnant.

    Oh yeah, Dax and Worf's sex relationship was kind of treated in an infantile way. I forgot about that.

    Still overall DS9 did better with sexuality than other treks.

    And if nothing else, it was the one trek that didn't have everyone in normal uniforms except the one sexy, big-boobed character. Oh crap, I forgot about the dabbo girls. Well... at least they were all secondary characters? It's a bit better, at least.

    "If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Yeah the Risa episode of DS9 has a really... teenager-ish? ... view of sexuality.

    I think otherwise DS9 did OK with sexuality. Kira had boyfriends that she obviously had sex with. Dax and Kira discussed their relationships. Sisko had a girlfriend, who eventually got pregnant.

    Oh yeah, Dax and Worf's sex relationship was kind of treated in an infantile way. I forgot about that.

    Still overall DS9 did better with sexuality than other treks.

    And if nothing else, it was the one trek that didn't have everyone in normal uniforms except the one sexy, big-boobed character. Oh crap, I forgot about the dabbo girls. Well... at least they were all secondary characters? It's a bit better, at least.

    At least the dabbo girls being dressed provocatively makes sense.

    Troi? Seven? T'Pol?

    Nope.

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    T'Pol really was the worst of all though, and Troi the least because with Betazoids we get the sense that their sexual mores are definitely less inhibited than most races, but we've seen Vulcan civilians and they dress like space monks/nuns.

    Then here comes T'Pol in her bodysuit for no good god damn reason whatsoever.

  • TOGSolidTOGSolid Drunk sailor Seattle, WashingtonRegistered User regular
    Oh crap, I forgot about the dabbo girls. Well... at least they were all secondary characters? It's a bit better, at least.

    Those get a pass because it's very well established that Quark is a skuzzy fuck when it comes to how he views and treats his employees and he absolutely objectifies all the women that work at his bar (or really damn near every woman). Yes, they're eye candy, but that's literally their job because that's how Quark rolls. When you consider how often he's demonstrated being a total pig to women (and really almost all Ferengi do it so it's not a Quark exclusive trait) it actually becomes hard to view the Dabbo girls as just being there for the viewer's pleasure. Remember that this is the same guy who had a huge arc regarding his relationship with women in society.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    TOGSolid wrote: »
    Oh crap, I forgot about the dabbo girls. Well... at least they were all secondary characters? It's a bit better, at least.

    Those get a pass because it's very well established that Quark is a skuzzy fuck when it comes to how he views and treats his employees and he absolutely objectifies all the women that work at his bar (or really damn near every woman). Yes, they're eye candy, but that's literally their job because that's how Quark rolls. When you consider how often he's demonstrated being a total pig to women (and really almost all Ferengi do it so it's not a Quark exclusive trait) it actually becomes hard to view the Dabbo girls as just being there for the viewer's pleasure. Remember that this is the same guy who had a huge arc regarding his relationship with women in society.
    Meh, it's not even a Quark thing. It's a casino-bar thing. Take a walk around Vegas and you'll see what I mean. Hell, they have casino sections with higher minimum bids and lower payoffs whose only appeal is that there's a stage behind the table with a girl in a bikini dancing provocatively, and you wouldn't be able to get a seat there (except after the girl leaves, when the tables are deserted). If you want to criticize the Dabo girls for something, it'd be for being too prude and conservative compared to girls employed by real-world casinos.

    Of course, Troi and T'Pol don't get that pass. Those girls need to put on some goddamn clothes and start acting like the high-ranking military officers they're supposed to be.

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    Hey now, Quark not only paid women, he let them wear clothes to their job. In his very own bar!

    He was basically a freight train of progressive thinking for his time.

  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Yeah the Risa episode of DS9 has a really... teenager-ish? ... view of sexuality.

    I think otherwise DS9 did OK with sexuality. Kira had boyfriends that she obviously had sex with. Dax and Kira discussed their relationships. Sisko had a girlfriend, who eventually got pregnant.

    Oh yeah, Dax and Worf's sex relationship was kind of treated in an infantile way. I forgot about that.

    Still overall DS9 did better with sexuality than other treks.

    And if nothing else, it was the one trek that didn't have everyone in normal uniforms except the one sexy, big-boobed character. Oh crap, I forgot about the dabbo girls. Well... at least they were all secondary characters? It's a bit better, at least.

    And Kasidy got pregnant because Sisko forgot to take his contraceptive injection.

    The older Treks were generally apprehensive when dealing with sex. They were using all sorts of silly innuendos and rarely ever discussed it directly. When they do deal with it, it's done in the way that kids who are first learning about sex talk about it. They can't discuss it directly without snickering and getting embarrassed so they skirt around it as much as possible.

    The Abrams Trek tend to treat sex like horny frat boys. Kirk is a douchebag who gawks at every good looking woman he sees and forgets the names of women he sleeps with. The female characters are mostly eye candy, their jobs are pretty incidental and are more of an excuse for them to be there rather than having them be part of the plot. They even did the stupid angry girlfriend letting her relationship interfere with her job cliche with Uhura.

  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    For a Ferengi he certainly was, and certainly had some relatively "Hue-mon" mores. Which is part of the reason he was tending bar out at the edge of known civilization vs. owning a planet like his cousin.

  • L Ron HowardL Ron Howard The duck MinnesotaRegistered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Yeah the Risa episode of DS9 has a really... teenager-ish? ... view of sexuality.

    I think otherwise DS9 did OK with sexuality. Kira had boyfriends that she obviously had sex with. Dax and Kira discussed their relationships. Sisko had a girlfriend, who eventually got pregnant.

    Oh yeah, Dax and Worf's sex relationship was kind of treated in an infantile way. I forgot about that.

    Still overall DS9 did better with sexuality than other treks.

    And if nothing else, it was the one trek that didn't have everyone in normal uniforms except the one sexy, big-boobed character. Oh crap, I forgot about the dabbo girls. Well... at least they were all secondary characters? It's a bit better, at least.

    And Kasidy got pregnant because Sisko forgot to take his contraceptive injection.

    The older Treks were generally apprehensive when dealing with sex. They were using all sorts of silly innuendos and rarely ever discussed it directly. When they do deal with it, it's done in the way that kids who are first learning about sex talk about it. They can't discuss it directly without snickering and getting embarrassed so they skirt around it as much as possible.

    The Abrams Trek tend to treat sex like horny frat boys. Kirk is a douchebag who gawks at every good looking woman he sees and forgets the names of women he sleeps with. The female characters are mostly eye candy, their jobs are pretty incidental and are more of an excuse for them to be there rather than having them be part of the plot. They even did the stupid angry girlfriend letting her relationship interfere with her job cliche with Uhura.

    Yet in Abrams Trek, often Kirk and Spock argued like lovers...

  • McFlynnMcFlynn Registered User regular
    Don't forget what other TV shows were like when TNG and DS9 were still on the air.

    The first season of the Simpsons was boycotted for being so crude and upsetting to "family values." Its damn near Mr. Rogers level of "family values" now, especially compared to stuff like Family Guy. Just started watching the first season with my wife and it blows my mind that this was horrible to some people.

    Yeah, TNG has that weird repressed sex thing going on, but for something from the late 80s and early 90s, it handles it fairly not-horrible. Not all TV was uniformly censored or whatever, but it wasn't that odd. So at least DS9 and TNG should get s little bit of a pass. Enterprise and Voyager have completely different reasons to blame though.

  • That_GuyThat_Guy I don't wanna be that guy Registered User regular
    I'm just going to leave this here.
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    This was taken directly from the episode with the alien succubus thing that used her electric fingers to sexually arouse the crew. Do all Vulcan women have dicks?

  • McFlynnMcFlynn Registered User regular
    edited October 2014
    Vulcan women have a penis that invertsfor a short period of time once every seven years.

    McFlynn on
  • StrikorStrikor Calibrations? Calibrations! Registered User regular
    As much of an antagonist as Captain Jelleco was in TNG, putting Troi in a standard uniform was rather endearing.

  • CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
    Has there ever been a Star Trek story about a super, super shitty Federation ship? One that's super outdated and basically just a place to dump people Starfleet doesn't like?

    Because that sounds like a rad Star Trek story.

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  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    Has there ever been a Star Trek story about a super, super shitty Federation ship? One that's super outdated and basically just a place to dump people Starfleet doesn't like?

    Because that sounds like a rad Star Trek story.

    yeah, it's called Red Dwarf.

  • McFlynnMcFlynn Registered User regular
    Smeg.

  • CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Has there ever been a Star Trek story about a super, super shitty Federation ship? One that's super outdated and basically just a place to dump people Starfleet doesn't like?

    Because that sounds like a rad Star Trek story.

    yeah, it's called Red Dwarf.

    Walked right into that one, eh smeghead?

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Ironic for Trek, which is a literal liberal utopia.

    Roddenberry was a utopian liberal

    Well, those were the ideals he preached. In RL, as I keep pointing out, he was a hustler and a horndog.

    One big issue with the PD (in its most extreme interpretation) is that it seems to assume the existence of fate, or something like it. Back in TOS, as long as they didn't let the natives know, they could and did stop them from being wiped out by natural disasters. By the time we get to TNG "Pen Pals" et al, however, we're up to the point of not interfering because, apparently, the "natural development" of a culture is to end.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited October 2014
    That_Guy wrote: »
    I'm just going to leave this here.
    (image)
    This was taken directly from the episode with the alien succubus thing that used her electric fingers to sexually arouse the crew. Do all Vulcan women have dicks?

    I guess that is some bunched up fabric. It was probably there to hide camel toe.

    What the heck was up with the music on Enterprise? It was way too loud and even overshadowed the actors talking. Man that show was awful.

    Krathoon on
  • McFlynnMcFlynn Registered User regular
    edited October 2014
    Ironic for Trek, which is a literal liberal utopia.

    Roddenberry was a utopian liberal

    Well, those were the ideals he preached. In RL, as I keep pointing out, he was a hustler and a horndog.

    One big issue with the PD (in its most extreme interpretation) is that it seems to assume the existence of fate, or something like it. Back in TOS, as long as they didn't let the natives know, they could and did stop them from being wiped out by natural disasters. By the time we get to TNG "Pen Pals" et al, however, we're up to the point of not interfering because, apparently, the "natural development" of a culture is to end.

    Kirk even killed a computer because it was preventing the growth of a species. And destroyed the computer of another culture used to play war. Honestly, that Phlox thing with the virus once isn't that crazy when you compare it to what Kirk did often.

    I definitely prefer it more of a "Don't trade technology" thing than a blanket non-interference thing.

    McFlynn on
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    Vulcan women have a penis that invertsfor a short period of time once every seven years. 32.gif

  • TOGSolidTOGSolid Drunk sailor Seattle, WashingtonRegistered User regular
    edited October 2014
    Richy wrote: »
    TOGSolid wrote: »
    Oh crap, I forgot about the dabbo girls. Well... at least they were all secondary characters? It's a bit better, at least.

    Those get a pass because it's very well established that Quark is a skuzzy fuck when it comes to how he views and treats his employees and he absolutely objectifies all the women that work at his bar (or really damn near every woman). Yes, they're eye candy, but that's literally their job because that's how Quark rolls. When you consider how often he's demonstrated being a total pig to women (and really almost all Ferengi do it so it's not a Quark exclusive trait) it actually becomes hard to view the Dabbo girls as just being there for the viewer's pleasure. Remember that this is the same guy who had a huge arc regarding his relationship with women in society.
    Meh, it's not even a Quark thing. It's a casino-bar thing. Take a walk around Vegas and you'll see what I mean. Hell, they have casino sections with higher minimum bids and lower payoffs whose only appeal is that there's a stage behind the table with a girl in a bikini dancing provocatively, and you wouldn't be able to get a seat there (except after the girl leaves, when the tables are deserted). If you want to criticize the Dabo girls for something, it'd be for being too prude and conservative compared to girls employed by real-world casinos.

    Of course, Troi and T'Pol don't get that pass. Those girls need to put on some goddamn clothes and start acting like the high-ranking military officers they're supposed to be.

    I've never been to Vegas proper, hell, I've never even been to a casino in general. Closest I ever got was watching the damn near undead old people mindlessly pulling away at the slot machines in the Vegas airport when I was switching flights there.
    McFlynn wrote: »
    Ironic for Trek, which is a literal liberal utopia.

    Roddenberry was a utopian liberal

    Well, those were the ideals he preached. In RL, as I keep pointing out, he was a hustler and a horndog.

    One big issue with the PD (in its most extreme interpretation) is that it seems to assume the existence of fate, or something like it. Back in TOS, as long as they didn't let the natives know, they could and did stop them from being wiped out by natural disasters. By the time we get to TNG "Pen Pals" et al, however, we're up to the point of not interfering because, apparently, the "natural development" of a culture is to end.

    Kirk even killed a computer because it was preventing the growth of a species. And destroyed the computer of another culture used to play war. Honestly, that Phlox thing with the virus once isn't that crazy when you compare it to what Kirk did often.

    I definitely prefer it more of a "Don't trade technology" thing than a blanket non-interference thing.

    In that second TOS example I wonder what Picard would have done. Let the entire crew get vaporized because "hurr durr Prime Directive" or would he have shot his way out as well?

    I suppose he does have the glorious splendor of his baldness to entrance the locals with too so that's a third option.

    TOGSolid on
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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    edited October 2014
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Has there ever been a Star Trek story about a super, super shitty Federation ship? One that's super outdated and basically just a place to dump people Starfleet doesn't like?

    Because that sounds like a rad Star Trek story.

    yeah, it's called Red Dwarf.

    This video starting at around 4:52 is still one of my favorite bits that SFDebris has done.

    Cambiata on
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  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    ahhhh the road not taken... how great would the show have been if it was just the Doctor, Seven their evolved cat and Neelix's Skeleton.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    It would have been a great twist if Voyager's mission failed. Still, it was a masterstroke that Barkley guided them home.

  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    ahhhh the road not taken... how great would the show have been if it was just the Doctor, Seven their evolved cat and Neelix's Skeleton.

    For Neelix's skeleton to be on board, there would, by necessity, be a Neelix at some point in time.

  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    Has there ever been a Star Trek story about a super, super shitty Federation ship? One that's super outdated and basically just a place to dump people Starfleet doesn't like?

    Because that sounds like a rad Star Trek story.

    DS9 is kind of like that.

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    McFlynn wrote: »
    Smeg.

    Should be a new reaction.

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Strikor wrote: »
    As much of an antagonist as Captain Jelleco was in TNG, putting Troi in a standard uniform was rather endearing.

    I think what made him great was that for the most part he wasn't wrong about a situation, just different from Picard. You could see Riker getting riled up at him - and frankly, Admiral Let The Cardassians Do Whatevs kinda made him look silly by not even considering him for command - but for the most part you could see Jellico's point.

    Troi in a uniform was the high point, however.

  • skyknytskyknyt Registered User, ClubPA regular
    McFlynn wrote: »
    Smeg.

    Should be a new reaction.

    Smeg. Smeg! Smeg?

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  • Void SlayerVoid Slayer Very Suspicious Registered User regular
    edited October 2014
    TOGSolid wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    TOGSolid wrote: »
    Oh crap, I forgot about the dabbo girls. Well... at least they were all secondary characters? It's a bit better, at least.

    Those get a pass because it's very well established that Quark is a skuzzy fuck when it comes to how he views and treats his employees and he absolutely objectifies all the women that work at his bar (or really damn near every woman). Yes, they're eye candy, but that's literally their job because that's how Quark rolls. When you consider how often he's demonstrated being a total pig to women (and really almost all Ferengi do it so it's not a Quark exclusive trait) it actually becomes hard to view the Dabbo girls as just being there for the viewer's pleasure. Remember that this is the same guy who had a huge arc regarding his relationship with women in society.
    Meh, it's not even a Quark thing. It's a casino-bar thing. Take a walk around Vegas and you'll see what I mean. Hell, they have casino sections with higher minimum bids and lower payoffs whose only appeal is that there's a stage behind the table with a girl in a bikini dancing provocatively, and you wouldn't be able to get a seat there (except after the girl leaves, when the tables are deserted). If you want to criticize the Dabo girls for something, it'd be for being too prude and conservative compared to girls employed by real-world casinos.

    Of course, Troi and T'Pol don't get that pass. Those girls need to put on some goddamn clothes and start acting like the high-ranking military officers they're supposed to be.

    I've never been to Vegas proper, hell, I've never even been to a casino in general. Closest I ever got was watching the damn near undead old people mindlessly pulling away at the slot machines in the Vegas airport when I was switching flights there.
    McFlynn wrote: »
    Ironic for Trek, which is a literal liberal utopia.

    Roddenberry was a utopian liberal

    Well, those were the ideals he preached. In RL, as I keep pointing out, he was a hustler and a horndog.

    One big issue with the PD (in its most extreme interpretation) is that it seems to assume the existence of fate, or something like it. Back in TOS, as long as they didn't let the natives know, they could and did stop them from being wiped out by natural disasters. By the time we get to TNG "Pen Pals" et al, however, we're up to the point of not interfering because, apparently, the "natural development" of a culture is to end.

    Kirk even killed a computer because it was preventing the growth of a species. And destroyed the computer of another culture used to play war. Honestly, that Phlox thing with the virus once isn't that crazy when you compare it to what Kirk did often.

    I definitely prefer it more of a "Don't trade technology" thing than a blanket non-interference thing.

    In that second TOS example I wonder what Picard would have done. Let the entire crew get vaporized because "hurr durr Prime Directive" or would he have shot his way out as well?

    I suppose he does have the glorious splendor of his baldness to entrance the locals with too so that's a third option.

    Nah he would tell them to fuck right off, he did that on the execution for any crime in the crime zone paradise planet no way he would do it for some stupid fake war.

    Void Slayer on
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  • BYToadyBYToady Registered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    TOGSolid wrote: »
    Oh crap, I forgot about the dabbo girls. Well... at least they were all secondary characters? It's a bit better, at least.

    Those get a pass because it's very well established that Quark is a skuzzy fuck when it comes to how he views and treats his employees and he absolutely objectifies all the women that work at his bar (or really damn near every woman). Yes, they're eye candy, but that's literally their job because that's how Quark rolls. When you consider how often he's demonstrated being a total pig to women (and really almost all Ferengi do it so it's not a Quark exclusive trait) it actually becomes hard to view the Dabbo girls as just being there for the viewer's pleasure. Remember that this is the same guy who had a huge arc regarding his relationship with women in society.
    Meh, it's not even a Quark thing. It's a casino-bar thing. Take a walk around Vegas and you'll see what I mean. Hell, they have casino sections with higher minimum bids and lower payoffs whose only appeal is that there's a stage behind the table with a girl in a bikini dancing provocatively, and you wouldn't be able to get a seat there (except after the girl leaves, when the tables are deserted). If you want to criticize the Dabo girls for something, it'd be for being too prude and conservative compared to girls employed by real-world casinos.

    Of course, Troi and T'Pol don't get that pass. Those girls need to put on some goddamn clothes and start acting like the high-ranking military officers they're supposed to be.

    Quark's entire workforce had to unionize just so he couldn't demand sex anytime he wanted it.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Picard probably wouldn't have shut down their computer war, but neither would he have let them disintegrate his crew members.

    That said, I don't think Kirk was wrong in doing what he did. It would have been a Prime Directive violation had ToS adhered to the Prime Directive, but we need to keep in mind that the Prime Directive is a really reactionary law that was put in place to protect the Federation from another Klingon War and then dressed up as the ultimate moral good because that's how the Federation likes to think of itself.

    That doesn't mean the Prime Directive actually is this great moral good, and we've seen many occasions where adhering to it blindly results in evil.

  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    Thirith wrote: »
    In that second TOS example I wonder what Picard would have done. Let the entire crew get vaporized because "hurr durr Prime Directive" or would he have shot his way out as well?

    I suppose he does have the glorious splendor of his baldness to entrance the locals with too so that's a third option.

    It depends what season it was. If it was still season 1-2, he would have given a bland speech full of Federation slogans and generic platitudes, and it would have worked and changed the entire society instantly because. Lwaxana B-plot to pad for runtime.

    If it was mid-series, he would have given a better speech, but it would have failed. He'd have Worf try to shoot their way out, but that won't work, either. Data saves the day with unsolicited technobabble.

    If it was season 7, I don't know how, but 50/50 odds it would be really stupid.

  • NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    Strikor wrote: »
    As much of an antagonist as Captain Jelleco was in TNG, putting Troi in a standard uniform was rather endearing.

    I think what made him great was that for the most part he wasn't wrong about a situation, just different from Picard. You could see Riker getting riled up at him - and frankly, Admiral Let The Cardassians Do Whatevs kinda made him look silly by not even considering him for command - but for the most part you could see Jellico's point.

    Troi in a uniform was the high point, however.

    What I find funny is that Jellico was the kind of hard ass Picard started out as. And Riker was a complete dickhead during the entire ordeal. He literally forgot what it meant to be a military professional - the same lesson he had to hammer into Troi a bit later when she was trying to get her command promotion.

    I would've loved to see a show with both Captain Jellico and Commander Shelby.

  • APODionysusAPODionysus Registered User regular
    Has there ever been a Star Trek story about a super, super shitty Federation ship? One that's super outdated and basically just a place to dump people Starfleet doesn't like?

    Because that sounds like a rad Star Trek story.

    You know, I actually had an idea once that revolved around something similar to that.

    It's during the height of the Dominion War. Things have been going badly for the Federation. They've been losing ships left and right. While the fleet yards are certainly producing new ones, that does take time - so Starfleet comes up with Operation Pheonix. They drag old ships (we're talking TOS era and perhaps earlier) out of the fleet museums, upgrade their weapons and shields quick and dirty like and send them out. In my head cannon, this project is lead by the now unretired Montgomery Scott (a man who knows the era's tech better than anyone and is perhaps the patron saint of jerryrigging).

    Now, these ships are often regulated to minor tasks (patrols, civilian rescue, beating back pirates - the things Starfleet can no longer spare normal resouces for) but occasionally make it into battlegroups out of desperation. The thing is they are... problematic. They are jerryrigged to high hell, new modern systems making demands on ancient power conduits and infrastructure which were never meant to support such demands. Prone to overloads, system failures, etc.

    Starfleet Command may have called it Project Pheonix, but the "boots on the ground" officers called them something else:

    Mothfleet.

    Just as the ships themselves showed how desperate and thinly stretched the actual ship resources of Starfleet were, the crews would reflect the same for personnel. They would be full of officers promoted higher than they were ready for simply because so many qualified officers have died, or officers that - in peace time - would normally be working a desk planet bound. Whether it was talent or personality flaws or whatever that held them back before, the War had now thrust them forward... but on a ship to match them. These crews are essentially the worst of the best (since they still graduated the Academy... though you could also state that the Academy had become... easier to pass, again out of a desperate need for warm bodies), pressed into service beyond their natural talents.

    I always thought "Mothfleet" cinder had legs and could produce interesting stories.

  • That_GuyThat_Guy I don't wanna be that guy Registered User regular
    What you described is almost "word for word" the premise of Star Trek Online.

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