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[Marvel] - Introducing Marvel LATER!

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  • TexiKenTexiKen that's quacktastic! Registered User regular
    I haven't paid attention to Civil War II since they killed Banner, but the last issue came out this week and from the synopsis it seems really bad in how they tried so hard to make Carol be right. It's a pretty low bar to pass their Hitler Tony from Civil War but they succeeded in not even clearing that.
    So there's a fight between Tony and Carol and Tony's apparently the bad guy because he doesn't want Miles arrested for killing Cap since he didn't even do that yet. But then a vision change by the walking plot device Ulysses to tell everyone to make them stop fighting but they don't and Carol kills Tony which is seen as some big heroic thing and no one seems to call her on it at all, with the idea being that Tony actually trusted Carol all along to be "the chosen one" for lack of a better term because she can be trusted with the minority report powers (but no one else could so that's why he fought so hard against it). It's such a lazy cop out to stop from actually making Carol a villain, because they don't want to run her name through the mud prior to her movie.

    And making Tony tinker with himself so he's not really dead, he's in some healing matrix thing, when should Dan Jurgens expect his royalty check? I mean, Tony's "dead" and you have two Iron Mans out there now, one a former villain and the other a builder, when does Teen Tony return and The Mask In the Iron Man arrive to round out the Reign of the Iron Men?


    It seems to be something made just to capitalize on the name Civil War, with no real coherence, not even a real divide even for just the fisticuff nature of a superhero comic. Death of X was pretty blatant in just having no story planned at all, this really cements why I'm so burned out on Marvel and most comics these days. And next year DC'll probably ruin the Superman books just for fun, too.

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  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    Yeah...I was really hoping to get back on Marvel this year but nope. Both Death of X and Civil War 2 have made me quit Marvel Comics once more.

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  • Lord PalingtonLord Palington Registered User regular
    You could always read Squirrel Girl and Hellcat. I'm pretty sure neither of them had much if anything to do with either of those storylines.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Revenge of Purple Steve Registered User regular
    Squirrel Girl has maintained it's level of excellence throughout.

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  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The PIT, level 26Registered User regular
    TexiKen wrote: »
    It seems to be something made just to capitalize on the name Civil War,

    Yeah, pretty much.

    There's stuff that matters, and then there's stuff like this or Chaos War or AXIS - events that are 'events', but sort've self-contained and not having much relevant fallout, so you don't care. But seems like there always has to be an 'event' going, so sometimes they're stinkers and don't matter.

    The 'Potential Thor Future' was pretty cool though. I loved that Thor run, I hope we see elements from it come back for real.

    As far as Civil War goes, I think Tony was broadly right last time with some stupid stuff shoe-horned in so there was something legitimately villainous to be angry at him about (Thor clone natch), and this time Carol was broadly right. I'll probably need to re-read the whole thing again to see if there's any serious mis-steps she made.

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  • Bobby DerieBobby Derie Registered User regular
    I was really enjoying the new Punisher series, to the point where I almost picked up the Dr. Strange crossover. Moon Knight continues to be deliciously weird.

    It's like I still enjoy the characters and the individual series when they stand on their own, but I've really lost interest in the overarching meta-events since they're just such a haphazard collection of fail. Hell, I even miss the glimpses of "secret history" that we used to get in the S.H.I.E.L.D./Secret Avengers/Secret Warriors run of things, and that was what...ten years ago?

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  • TexiKenTexiKen that's quacktastic! Registered User regular
    USAvengers #1 was a good read, sort of cleans up what New Avengers was kind of muddied into with the Standoff and Civil War crossovers. AIM is Team America now, Roberto is Citizen V (hope Ewing pulls out the V-Battalion for fun), and the team is nice mix of old and new. Would have been nice to have Songbird on it, and I'm hoping USAgent shows up because how can he not be on this Avengers team, but as is it's still upbeat, a little obnoxious in some of the character pieces about why they're American (strong sense it was rewritten following the election), but it's not being ironic or sarcastic here with the premise and I hope it stays that way. And Paco Medina's always solid and sort of further connects the mutant aspect here since he used to be a mainly X-family artist.

    And a rare thing right now, but kudos to Marvel for actually thinking some of the 50 state variants through. USAgent is from Georgia, so he's on the Georgia cover. Delaware is the first state, so Steve Rogers is on it. Hulk is New Mexico because he's always there.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    AvX really was the culmination of a lot of long-running x-men storylines, and it's never since felt as though marvel have a good idea of where that franchise is going. I don't necessarily buy all the stuff about them shelving it due to film universe concerns because they've continued to publish 4-5 x-men books concurrently, they just all feel directionless. By the end of the Bendis run on Uncanny he's got the characters literally asking one another "wtf was this book even about?"

    I dunno, it's always seemed to me like there are lots of 'marginalized group' stories they could be telling, but they're either telling them in other vehicles (ANAD Inhumans, Ms. Marvel, etc) or outright aren't interested (ex: mutants as a roma or palestinian type of allegory.)

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Considering PAD's reaction, probably good we didn't get a Roma allegory.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen that's quacktastic! Registered User regular
    I haven't kept up with IvX at all but if the conflict is
    Because Beast never told the Inhumans, who he was working with, about the terrigan cloud finally disappointing and being everywhere in the atmosphere (killing all the mutants in the process), that is terrible storytelling to justify the fighting. Doubly so when the answer is some magic last minute mcguffin that gets rid of the terrigan mists completely in order to make the Inhumans save face and make the X-Men look like idiots.

    And also Emma is now completely evil crazy wearing Scott's visor like a Magneto helmet and is Black Queen, and brainwashed Forge to make sentinels to kill Inhumans, even though she's got a thing against sentinels because they killed her students (and her).

    Wow that's bad.

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  • never dienever die Registered User regular
    TexiKen wrote: »
    I haven't kept up with IvX at all but if the conflict is
    Because Beast never told the Inhumans, who he was working with, about the terrigan cloud finally disappointing and being everywhere in the atmosphere (killing all the mutants in the process), that is terrible storytelling to justify the fighting. Doubly so when the answer is some magic last minute mcguffin that gets rid of the terrigan mists completely in order to make the Inhumans save face and make the X-Men look like idiots.

    And also Emma is now completely evil crazy wearing Scott's visor like a Magneto helmet and is Black Queen, and brainwashed Forge to make sentinels to kill Inhumans, even though she's got a thing against sentinels because they killed her students (and her).

    Wow that's bad.

    From what I interpreted, having read the event, you're partially right, and mostly right about the latter. For the former
    Beast goes to the X-Men first before he tells Medusa because he overhears a conversation Medusa is having of whether it ever came down to choosing to create Inhumans or the mutants, she would choose the Inhumans. He goes to Storm specifically then to let her know what is going on, and then Emma pushes hardcore for a surprise attack and destruction of the terrigen mists, and uses the death of Cyclops at Black Bolt's hand as justification. She manages to persuade them to attack the Inhumans instead of talk to them.

    For the fixing of the terrigen mist, that is actually built up as something Forge had been working on, and the one that finally works is actually a brainchild of both Forge and Moon Girl, which I thought was a nice work together story.

    but yeah the rest of the Emma stuff was just...ugh

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  • Bobby DerieBobby Derie Registered User regular
    So! Monsters. That's a thing. I think about every ten years or so Marvel remembers it used to do monster comics and hauls them out of the archives for a dusting-off and to keep the copyrights fresh or something. Possibly spurred on by the ongoing success of Groot. I kinda want to do a retrospective on the old Marvel Monsterworks.

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  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The PIT, level 26Registered User regular
    Monsters are a thing. 'Unleashed' is actually a fun little series, and a good excuse to do the afore-mentioned dusting on all manner of wild and weird classic beasties.

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  • mrmrmrmr Registered User regular
    Monsters Unleashed had a better first issue than the whole of Civil War II.

    Surprising probably nobody.

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