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StarCraft 2: The end of an era... Flash decides to move out of the Kropulu Sector. =(

MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
edited December 2015 in Games and Technology
Welcome to the StarCraft 2 thread!

Legacy of the voice has been announced!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUMSMDX5iQc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=184&v=M_XwzBMTJaM


Proposed changes:
Terran
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaKT0YQSJ9I

Zerg (Lurkers!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkVMd1-ZyM8

Protoss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tKHSrkilGY


A taste of what may follow:
Dhalphir wrote: »
warning - this link is hardcore protoss pornography and you WILL need a towel to clean up

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  • LorahaloLorahalo Registered User regular
    Mmm, fresh thread.

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    watching maru in ro4 from last night (I think, maybe the night before)

    gogogogo

    he lost the first game but he looked better. was way behind from the get go and still made it close.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    so i still dont play this game.

  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    crosspost
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    TPSou wrote: »
    Congratulations! I really wish we could get out of Bronze in 2v2 but it seems like every time we work out a decent strategy we come across 5-6 players in a row who counter it perfectly without scouting it. Admittedly we are fairly rubbish at scouting until the Protoss gets an observer up.
    So far our best two strategies have been:
    (We are ZP, we use this against ZZ,ZP,PP) Protoss builds up zealots and a couple of cannons, moving to Colossi when they are affordable, but this is mostly on two bases. Zerg goes fast Mutas from two bases (Only starting up the second base when the spire is going up to make sure we get the spire as quickly as possible). This means we usually have a spire around the six minute mark and if the Protoss can donate some gas we can get 10 or so Mutas up really quickly. If we can land a killing blow with this we're fine but we struggle to transition if they start putting down lots of cannons or holds us off long enough until they can outbuild us on Mutas with their superior economy. Stopped doing this against Terran because of Thors mostly, seemed to come up against loads of them.

    (Against Terran) Zerg masses Zerglings to stop any expansion if it's on a map where they have to move down the ramp, then goes Lair tech and gets Baneling speed while Protoss builds up Stalkers and gets blink. Once the Stalkers are ready we blow up the front gate and try to get the standing army with the banelings and then the Stalkers blink around the base and try to disable their production while more zerglings stream into the base. If necessary Zerg transitions into Roaches/Ultras if we're against marines or Mutas/ Hydras if it's anything else. This works well if we manage to keep expanding steadily, if we get trapepd in our base we run out of money too quickly to be able to keep up an attack and then we can't fend off a counterattack.

    Any suggestions on things we could do to improve?

    Abandon gimmicky plays entirely and play for the long game. Nobody playing 2v2s is going to be able to play well in the long game and if you practise a defensive mindset you will do much better.

  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    so i still dont play this game.

    I've been tryng to but I have rarely pulled the trigger

    still watch it every day though

    the games are better than ever

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  • 815165815165 Registered User regular
    to be fair dhal playing this game has rarely made anyone happy

    the idea of being good at this game, however, that's a good thing

  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    edited June 2014
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    so i still dont play this game.

    I bet you don't notice your Protoss pornography either.

    Kids these days... no respect.



    I've actually FIXED my computer overheating problem that kept me from playing more than 4 consecutive games a year ago. It also kept me from team games. No overheating or related performance issues anymore.

    So I don't have an excuse not to play again.
    Aside from recently starting Skyrim. >.<'

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  • TPSouTPSou Mr Registered User regular
    Our only concern with playing defensively is that it tends to lead to them getting map control and creating some kind of deathball (usually including voidrays, collossi, immortals and high templars for protoss or battlecruisers, siege tanks and marines/marauders for terran) and then wiping us out or just starving us of resources. Every time we play a game like that we think 'we needed to attack earlier'.

  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited June 2014
    TPSou wrote: »
    Our only concern with playing defensively is that it tends to lead to them getting map control and creating some kind of deathball (usually including voidrays, collossi, immortals and high templars for protoss or battlecruisers, siege tanks and marines/marauders for terran) and then wiping us out or just starving us of resources. Every time we play a game like that we think 'we needed to attack earlier'.

    whereas what you should be thinking is "we needed to expand more"

    playing defensively doesn't mean you turtle up on one base and never leave it. And you don't want to build many static defenses either. Playing for the long game simply means that your goal is not to end it early. Playing defensively gives you a defensive edge (obviously) which can be used to protect earlier expansions than your opponents.

    Think of it a bit like a zero sum game, because that's pretty much what it is. For every attacking unit your opponent builds, you need to build something to defend yourself if they attack with it. However, because it takes time to cross the map, you need to have a much larger attacking force when you start just to have a winning army when you arrive. Thus the defender can get away with a few less units when defending, because they'll have more by the time the attack comes. Instead, those extra resources can be invested into a few more workers, which make you more money, which let you invest in bases, which make you more, and more.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Isn't the best 2v2 strategy to just have one player do a big aggressive rush while the other feeds his eco?

    I remember losing most 2v2s that way. It was just too much to hold off.

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  • TPSouTPSou Mr Registered User regular
    Will give it a go this weekend, thanks for the advice!

  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited June 2014
    MMMig wrote: »
    Isn't the best 2v2 strategy to just have one player do a big aggressive rush while the other feeds his eco?

    I remember losing most 2v2s that way. It was just too much to hold off.

    If you're not playing coordinated and the other team is, then yeah, sure, you're going to lose.

    But one player feeding another's economy doesn't magically enhance their ability to make mans. They still have two players worth of resources, bases, and production to fight with, just like you.

    The only real advantage that feeding one player resources has is that it allows them to produce more of a given unit than you might be expecting. If you're playing a Zerg player and a Terran, and you're preparing an army to deal with a force of mutalisks from the Zerg and a swarm of marine/medivac from the Terran, if the Zerg suddenly shows up with a mutalisk army twice as big because the Terran is feeding him cash, you might not be able to handle that.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    I should start playing again actually, even if only so that I can do coaching again. I miss teaching SC2.

  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    Where is WCS Korea going to be? COEX again? That's just a bus ride away for me.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    edited June 2014
    Cantido wrote: »
    Where is WCS Korea going to be? COEX again? That's just a bus ride away for me.

    @Cantido‌

    You realize you're greatly disappointing the thread by not posting any pictures?
    Jimjibangs
    Norebangs
    bang bangs ( ;) )
    Starleague... talent ( ;);) )

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  • KambingKambing Registered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    I should start playing again actually, even if only so that I can do coaching again. I miss teaching SC2.

    Just play casuals. I jumped on unranked for a game every couple of days. Nice and relaxing when I need to unwind.

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    Cantido wrote: »
    Where is WCS Korea going to be? COEX again? That's just a bus ride away for me.

    @Cantido‌

    You realize you're greatly disappointing the thread by not posting any pictures?
    Jimjibangs
    Norebangs
    bang bangs ( ;) )
    Starleague... talent ( ;);) )

    You do not want pictures of , Jimjibangs. And anyway, unfortunately, the nice jimjibangs are in Busan, not Seoul. Dragon Hill, dead center in Seoul, is nice, but rather expensive and touristy. Norebangs are fucking awesome here. When I drink I get this crazy notion that I can sing Blind Guardian. Lets just say I lost my voice.

    And I did not have my camera during Ultra Korea 2014, but here's someone else's picture.
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  • YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    People are dumb. I scout a guy with 1 gate and 2 gas on one base and see him start two more gates. Then he cancels them and makes a stargate, which I scout again because he still didn't make a unit. Then he cancels that and makes an archives, which I again see because he still only has a zealot. So then he just expands while behind like 10 workers.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
  • Panda4YouPanda4You Registered User regular
    edited June 2014
    Scarlett beat Polt 6-1 (three Bo3's) in that Red Bull NA qualifier thingie :3
    I think she won this NA thing... Dunno when whatever this qualifier leads to is though.

    Shiiieeet, managing to defend early aggression, repeal it and take the game thanks to your early economic advantage might be the only thing in sc2 that really makes me feel like I've actually accomplished something. I kinda wish more people did competent cheese.
    Otoh, when you have that early edge and still lose cause you didn't scout the other person's greedy expansions or didn't have macro that could match his... FML.
    I've actually avoided making banelings in zvz for the longest time, cause my ling/bling fencing earlygame suck ass (still do). Though I've finally got the feel for how you don't necessarily have to use them, just making the opponent knwo you have two-three banelings will for the most part make him cautious enough to give you the chance to reach some sort of mid-game play.

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    edited June 2014
    Don't worry @Dhalphir‌, I don't play SC2 either. I still love it, watch it a lot, but I haven't played another human in anger since the last time you crushed me in a PvP.

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    Oh c'mon FyreWulff, no one's gonna pay to visit Uranus.
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  • Panda4YouPanda4You Registered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Finally we'll be able to watch WCS with the beautiful gameheart we all love <3
    About time, really.

  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    RYAN! RYAN! RYAN! RYAN!

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »


    @rts dude that's friggin' awesome!! Congrats!

    I'm pretty sure you're the reason they have created their first ever fully dedicated "Overlay Artist" for their Hearthstone team, once they realized that UI is not to be taken lightly.


    So go keep doing awesome things or we'll tell them your dark secret of being a Formula 1 fanatic.

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  • LorahaloLorahalo Registered User regular
    Cantido wrote: »
    MMMig wrote: »
    Cantido wrote: »
    Where is WCS Korea going to be? COEX again? That's just a bus ride away for me.

    @Cantido‌

    You realize you're greatly disappointing the thread by not posting any pictures?
    Jimjibangs
    Norebangs
    bang bangs ( ;) )
    Starleague... talent ( ;);) )

    You do not want pictures of , Jimjibangs. And anyway, unfortunately, the nice jimjibangs are in Busan, not Seoul. Dragon Hill, dead center in Seoul, is nice, but rather expensive and touristy. Norebangs are fucking awesome here. When I drink I get this crazy notion that I can sing Blind Guardian. Lets just say I lost my voice.

    And I did not have my camera during Ultra Korea 2014, but here's someone else's picture.
    10330491_858026526053_4564823329683651020_n.jpg

    For the first day, nobody gave a shit about the second stage with all the K-Rock and J-Rock bands. Things heated up the second day when the electronic and hiphop artists came. My friend loved M.I.A. But all the good shit was on the main stage, where Nerva, Chris Lake, Jazzerblast, Paul Van Dyk, Steve Angelo and Steve Aoki absolutely knocked it out of the park.

    Everyone knows that singing Blind Guardian is a piece of cake while drunk. It's not like Hansi's voice is absurd or anything.

    In other news, grats @rts man! I still remember how excited everyone was when Gameheart got picked up by GSTL, now I get annoyed when tournaments aren't using it.

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  • rtsrts Registered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »


    @rts dude that's friggin' awesome!! Congrats!

    I'm pretty sure you're the reason they have created their first ever fully dedicated "Overlay Artist" for their Hearthstone team, once they realized that UI is not to be taken lightly.


    So go keep doing awesome things or we'll tell them your dark secret of being a Formula 1 fanatic.

    Actually I sit really close to a lady who is a huge F1 fan... it is awesome.

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  • fadingathedgesfadingathedges Registered User regular
    I haven't watched SC in... years? since WoL I think?

    Did Tasteless quit smoking he doesn't sound raspy.

  • YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    Andddd, promoted to Diamond. Apparently I'm better than I thought :/

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  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    Congrats @rts :smiley:

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    PantsB wrote: »
    Congrats @rts :smiley:

    Super Agree! BTW, are you a full-time Blizzard employee now or just consulting on a project? Either way, it will be an awesome addition to the resume.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    @rts

    also, realize that you will get to see blockbuster movies way ahead of regular folk in the in-house Blizzard theatre (I hate you)
    as well as all of the internal company tournaments (I hate you more)
    and their gym is pretty neat (...)
    and the asian department... oh my...( )

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  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    That is mega awesome, Ryan. You've really busted your ass working on GameHeart and you deserve this absolutely.

  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Oh OH OH!!! Also ask who the "booking club" group is so you can join

    tell them "oh I know ;) "


    oh my god I hate you so much right now

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    congrats dude. that's such a huge impact, you deserve to make it.



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  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    Apparently MLG is having SC2 again? And Day[9] is casting it?

    So that's exciting!

  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    That's good!

    MLG pays attention to wardrobe and presentation so we won't see the atrocities of days past.

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  • SaarutoSaaruto Registered User regular
    Grubby tweeted at @rts‌ for the Gameheart announcement

    the feels


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    @rts try not to forget about all us little people when you're a famous rockstar <3

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    <3 Grubby

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