Been a bit busy of late, but I definitely plan to Kill more Floors.
Sure the game is light on perks and weapons. It's the start of the early release still. I have faith that by the time they consider it ready for prime time we'll have piles of classes again and plenty of weapons.
I mean hell, looking at the first game, new skins and weapons paid a bunch of their bills (presumably), and they were infrequent enough releases I don't recall anyone minding much. Give us a good spread at release, do some holiday themed events, toss out a few packs at a reasonable price (that people can get, ignore, or just snag for 50-75% off during a sale) and we can get back into it.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
I'm having a hard time getting into KF2 at the moment. The class I spent 90% of my time playing in KF1 is neutered beyond belief and my secondary class isn't in the game yet.
Still, what we have so far is incredibly solid, as a whole. Looking forward to some balance changes and new perks/maps.
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FreiA French Prometheus UnboundDeadwoodRegistered Userregular
yeah as much as some people hate it introducing content slowly is the best way they could do things. focuses the community and lets them get lots of data on everything before opening up more stuff, and then everyone will be excited to try out new classes and weapons so then they'll get a bunch of data on that and etc.
I feel for you zerker fans if the class isn't turning out the way you wanted. Hope Tripwire can sort it out before full release. From what I've seen there are fewer complains about the other three perks so far. I really like the commando, just wish fewer pubbies insisted on playing that class.
I heard second hand that most of the perks are just place holders and will probably be replaced.
I've been trying to think of some alternative perks for medic.
At level 5,everybody takes the bonus health. No one takes the ammo perk.
But what if instead of boosting ammo, it boosted the capacity of your syringe meters(darts and heal tool) to 130% or 150%? I think that would be a more interesting decision.
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I also don't know what to make of the level 15 perks for medic. They're both terrible. If I had a third option "no bonus", that is the option I'd pick.
The self healing is very weak. Thus us an issue for the medic because small scrapes represent an opportunity to regen some armor with a med-tool.
Lacerate is also weak. The damage certainly doesn't feel meaningful in the test map. Normally I'd say "eh, free damage is free damage", but the damage over time effect causes mobs to get all twitchy. That twitching could be detrimental if it ever pushes a zed's head hitbox to safety.
I don't think these options are supposed to be this terrible, but right now they sort feel like small taxes on how powerful vaccination is at 20.
I feel for you zerker fans if the class isn't turning out the way you wanted. Hope Tripwire can sort it out before full release. From what I've seen there are fewer complains about the other three perks so far. I really like the commando, just wish fewer pubbies insisted on playing that class.
As someone who is new to the KF franchise, I'm still learning a lot of nuances of the game - positioning, when to move, when to stand and fight, when to heal, ammo conservation, etc. For me, the Support is a bit difficult because of the need for ammo conservation and slower reload times. The Medic is something I'll play when I have a better grasp on team awareness - I have a hard enough time managing my own health let alone my teammates'.
So the Commando is the easiest to wrap my head around, especially with the increased health per level, increased clip size, and reload speed upgrade perks. I'm wondering if the large amount of players you're seeing are in the same situation as me.
Interestingly enough, aside from the Berserker, the Commando is the class I see the least. I see tons of Supports, though, which I'm guessing is due to the popularity of the AA12 at the moment.
The aa12 has always been borderline op Imo, but it's limited ammo and high cost of operation keeps it in line. On harder difficulties it isn't uncommon for donations to be necessary to keep it operational.
It is pretty ridiculous at low levels where money abounds.
I also never understood the armor-piercing buckshot. You'd think that would be a commando rifle or sharpshooter rifle thing.
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acidlacedpenguinInstitutionalizedSafe in jail.Registered Userregular
I think it feels better than it will be by virtue of it being the only game in town for DPS, and the only viable option for skrakes in the later difficulties. That will change drastically once demos and sharps are back in. I can understand the frustration with berzerker, but again I think it has more to do with them splitting berzerker off into a number of classes but not having those other classes in yet.
I think it feels better than it will be by virtue of it being the only game in town for DPS, and the only viable option for skrakes in the later difficulties. That will change drastically once demos and sharps are back in. I can understand the frustration with berzerker, but again I think it has more to do with them splitting berzerker off into a number of classes but not having those other classes in yet.
If the berserker is weaker because it is split into separate classes then that means either the new dragon class is really good and berserker is bad (and nobody plays it) or both classes end up being kind of weak due to good talents getting diluted and both classes will need to be improved. Either way, buff berserker! It's not my play-style at all but is fun when I try it!
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I feel for you zerker fans if the class isn't turning out the way you wanted. Hope Tripwire can sort it out before full release. From what I've seen there are fewer complains about the other three perks so far. I really like the commando, just wish fewer pubbies insisted on playing that class.
The commando is easy to play and is, right now, probably the best class all around. I think it will get less popular as other classes are introduced. Plus, most of the guides I've read right now say "play commando if you are new".
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Yeah, as much as I talk about Gunslinger, I'm actually in a kind of holding pattern until Sharp comes back. I probably spent 80% of my time in KF as a Sharp.
I spent the vast majority of my time as a Support in KF1, so I feel a little bad that it's both heavily represented and 'kind of OP'. I legit liked keeping doors welded shut and timing it to pop open and be all "SURPRISE, DICKBAGS!" with grenades and shotgun shells with solid timing, at least on the rare map when we weren't just Pied Piper'ing a trail of Zeds through the streets/fields.
Also I'm just not cut out for this 'twitch reflexes get the headshot from across the map with no scope 360' shit. Big spread of lead and lots of penetrating power, fuck yeah.
It is kind of sad, in retrospect at least, how much 'welding' and otherwise hunkering down is a trap. Near the end of my run I found the only times people really did so was either in a spot they weren't supposed to be to cheese a map, or noobs about to get eaten for not being mobile enough.
And entire class/specialization/mechanic that basically weeds out 'the bads' or frustrates people.
I do kind of hope they manage to sort out, at least on certain maps, some places that can be bottled up now and then.
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I spent the vast majority of my time as a Support in KF1, so I feel a little bad that it's both heavily represented and 'kind of OP'. I legit liked keeping doors welded shut and timing it to pop open and be all "SURPRISE, DICKBAGS!" with grenades and shotgun shells with solid timing, at least on the rare map when we weren't just Pied Piper'ing a trail of Zeds through the streets/fields.
Also I'm just not cut out for this 'twitch reflexes get the headshot from across the map with no scope 360' shit. Big spread of lead and lots of penetrating power, fuck yeah.
It is kind of sad, in retrospect at least, how much 'welding' and otherwise hunkering down is a trap. Near the end of my run I found the only times people really did so was either in a spot they weren't supposed to be to cheese a map, or noobs about to get eaten for not being mobile enough.
And entire class/specialization/mechanic that basically weeds out 'the bads' or frustrates people.
I do kind of hope they manage to sort out, at least on certain maps, some places that can be bottled up now and then.
This is fixable. Load up Quake 3 or UT2004 (if you don't have them, you should) and enable the IG options (rail and shock respectively), play.
Nah, I have neither the time nor patience for that. Cut my teeth on Quake 2/UT99 Tournament/UT2k3/UT2k4/etc/etc, this isn't my first time to the rodeo. I just have a preferred playstyle and load out, and Support fits it fine.
Wall of lead, close range, point in a cardinal direction and everything within 30 feet dies.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
I can't wait to see the second melee class, but I have a feeling it's going to be a fast attack, trash clearing class... which would give it commando's problems. As long as support remains best trash clearer AND best (2nd when sharp is released) high health enemy killer, every other class is going to be underpowered in comparison.
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I can't wait to see the second melee class, but I have a feeling it's going to be a fast attack, trash clearing class... which would give it commando's problems. As long as support remains best trash clearer AND best (2nd when sharp is released) high health enemy killer, every other class is going to be underpowered in comparison.
If you look at the weapons in the shop, both the flame thrower and the katana have the same symbol next to them. That points to a character having perks related to both of those weapons.
I can't wait to see the second melee class, but I have a feeling it's going to be a fast attack, trash clearing class... which would give it commando's problems. As long as support remains best trash clearer AND best (2nd when sharp is released) high health enemy killer, every other class is going to be underpowered in comparison.
If you look at the weapons in the shop, both the flame thrower and the katana have the same symbol next to them. That points to a character having perks related to both of those weapons.
You mean the icon for the "off-perk" tab that they seem to using as a placeholder for those weapons until they actually put the firebug/martial artist assets in the game?
Played a couple matches as support yesterday. The AA-12 is fantastic. Can take out a scrake/flesh pound in one clip. Ok that one clip is a third of the ammo, but it's very impressive. Old hands were telling me to save the AA-12 for the big guys, but it's also great fun on the trash mobs as they just disappear!
Played a couple matches as support yesterday. The AA-12 is fantastic. Can take out a scrake flesh pound in one clip. Ok that one clip is a third of the ammo, but it's very impressive. Old hands were telling me to save the AA-12 for the big guys, but it's also great fun on the trash mobs as they just disappear!
More musing on the game just makes me think support stacking is too good right now.
The AA becomes ridiculous if everyone takes the l5 ammo bag for 80 extra shots if you go 5 supports. With 160 shots of AA x5 you don't have many problems left.
Also I tried to solo hard after I hit l10 on support but Hans isn't made for soloing, while he was health drain me adds spawned an surrounded me, when I got out I got grabbed and grenaded felt so cheap.
Did they add a new shotgun? The M4-combat shotgun? A nice addition if I missed it before.
There was a combat shotgun in KF1 that was pretty much the same gun. Not a lot of people used it, however, since it was a basically a more powerful pump action with a longer reload and smaller capacity. The HSG was the traditional go-to if you wanted to upgrade to something non-AA12/Double Barrel.
It's been flying below the radar in KF2 for pretty much the same reasons, albeit slightly exacerbated by the increased weight over the pump-action and the much higher cost. Don't think I've seen anyone use it in a game yet.
AA12 does 25x7 damage compared to the Pump Actions' 20x7, so definitely more damage, on par with the Combat Shotgun per shot (also 25x7) but a fair bit less than the Boomstick (25x12, or x24 for alt fire).
Did they add a new shotgun? The M4-combat shotgun? A nice addition if I missed it before.
There was a combat shotgun in KF1 that was pretty much the same gun. Not a lot of people used it, however, since it was a basically a more powerful pump action with a longer reload and smaller capacity. The HSG was the traditional go-to if you wanted to upgrade to something non-AA12/Double Barrel.
It's been flying below the radar in KF2 for pretty much the same reasons, albeit slightly exacerbated by the increased weight over the pump-action and the much higher cost. Don't think I've seen anyone use it in a game yet.
I used it for a round, its the worst aspects of the aa12 and the starting pump.
Mediocre damage, fast firing rate, long reload times, runs out of ammo fast.
I sold it the next round and got a double barrel instead.
Did they add a new shotgun? The M4-combat shotgun? A nice addition if I missed it before.
There was a combat shotgun in KF1 that was pretty much the same gun. Not a lot of people used it, however, since it was a basically a more powerful pump action with a longer reload and smaller capacity. The HSG was the traditional go-to if you wanted to upgrade to something non-AA12/Double Barrel.
It's been flying below the radar in KF2 for pretty much the same reasons, albeit slightly exacerbated by the increased weight over the pump-action and the much higher cost. Don't think I've seen anyone use it in a game yet.
I used it for a round, its the worst aspects of the aa12 and the starting pump.
Mediocre damage, fast firing rate, long reload times, runs out of ammo fast.
I sold it the next round and got a double barrel instead.
By the numbers, it's a pretty disappointing weapon. It even has a worse stumble power rating than the pump action, and I have no idea why.
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The M4 has tight grouping giving it pretty good single target damage at range for a shotgun. It also has a flashlight which is a nice feature. It's biggest problem is that it's too expensive for what it does.
That was really what killed it in the first KF. Even if your liked the weapon and liked pairing it with other weapons, it just cost too much to justify the expense.
That was really what killed it in the first KF. Even if your liked the weapon and liked pairing it with other weapons, it just cost too much to justify the expense.
And it's to heavy.
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Sure the game is light on perks and weapons. It's the start of the early release still. I have faith that by the time they consider it ready for prime time we'll have piles of classes again and plenty of weapons.
I mean hell, looking at the first game, new skins and weapons paid a bunch of their bills (presumably), and they were infrequent enough releases I don't recall anyone minding much. Give us a good spread at release, do some holiday themed events, toss out a few packs at a reasonable price (that people can get, ignore, or just snag for 50-75% off during a sale) and we can get back into it.
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Still, what we have so far is incredibly solid, as a whole. Looking forward to some balance changes and new perks/maps.
I've been trying to think of some alternative perks for medic.
At level 5,everybody takes the bonus health. No one takes the ammo perk.
But what if instead of boosting ammo, it boosted the capacity of your syringe meters(darts and heal tool) to 130% or 150%? I think that would be a more interesting decision.
Edit:
I also don't know what to make of the level 15 perks for medic. They're both terrible. If I had a third option "no bonus", that is the option I'd pick.
The self healing is very weak. Thus us an issue for the medic because small scrapes represent an opportunity to regen some armor with a med-tool.
Lacerate is also weak. The damage certainly doesn't feel meaningful in the test map. Normally I'd say "eh, free damage is free damage", but the damage over time effect causes mobs to get all twitchy. That twitching could be detrimental if it ever pushes a zed's head hitbox to safety.
I don't think these options are supposed to be this terrible, but right now they sort feel like small taxes on how powerful vaccination is at 20.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
As someone who is new to the KF franchise, I'm still learning a lot of nuances of the game - positioning, when to move, when to stand and fight, when to heal, ammo conservation, etc. For me, the Support is a bit difficult because of the need for ammo conservation and slower reload times. The Medic is something I'll play when I have a better grasp on team awareness - I have a hard enough time managing my own health let alone my teammates'.
So the Commando is the easiest to wrap my head around, especially with the increased health per level, increased clip size, and reload speed upgrade perks. I'm wondering if the large amount of players you're seeing are in the same situation as me.
Interestingly enough, aside from the Berserker, the Commando is the class I see the least. I see tons of Supports, though, which I'm guessing is due to the popularity of the AA12 at the moment.
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It is pretty ridiculous at low levels where money abounds.
I also never understood the armor-piercing buckshot. You'd think that would be a commando rifle or sharpshooter rifle thing.
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If the berserker is weaker because it is split into separate classes then that means either the new dragon class is really good and berserker is bad (and nobody plays it) or both classes end up being kind of weak due to good talents getting diluted and both classes will need to be improved. Either way, buff berserker! It's not my play-style at all but is fun when I try it!
The commando is easy to play and is, right now, probably the best class all around. I think it will get less popular as other classes are introduced. Plus, most of the guides I've read right now say "play commando if you are new".
Also I'm just not cut out for this 'twitch reflexes get the headshot from across the map with no scope 360' shit. Big spread of lead and lots of penetrating power, fuck yeah.
It is kind of sad, in retrospect at least, how much 'welding' and otherwise hunkering down is a trap. Near the end of my run I found the only times people really did so was either in a spot they weren't supposed to be to cheese a map, or noobs about to get eaten for not being mobile enough.
And entire class/specialization/mechanic that basically weeds out 'the bads' or frustrates people.
I do kind of hope they manage to sort out, at least on certain maps, some places that can be bottled up now and then.
This is fixable. Load up Quake 3 or UT2004 (if you don't have them, you should) and enable the IG options (rail and shock respectively), play.
Wall of lead, close range, point in a cardinal direction and everything within 30 feet dies.
If you look at the weapons in the shop, both the flame thrower and the katana have the same symbol next to them. That points to a character having perks related to both of those weapons.
You mean the icon for the "off-perk" tab that they seem to using as a placeholder for those weapons until they actually put the firebug/martial artist assets in the game?
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They disappear just like your ammo.
The AA becomes ridiculous if everyone takes the l5 ammo bag for 80 extra shots if you go 5 supports. With 160 shots of AA x5 you don't have many problems left.
Also I tried to solo hard after I hit l10 on support but Hans isn't made for soloing, while he was health drain me adds spawned an surrounded me, when I got out I got grabbed and grenaded felt so cheap.
There was a combat shotgun in KF1 that was pretty much the same gun. Not a lot of people used it, however, since it was a basically a more powerful pump action with a longer reload and smaller capacity. The HSG was the traditional go-to if you wanted to upgrade to something non-AA12/Double Barrel.
It's been flying below the radar in KF2 for pretty much the same reasons, albeit slightly exacerbated by the increased weight over the pump-action and the much higher cost. Don't think I've seen anyone use it in a game yet.
I used it for a round, its the worst aspects of the aa12 and the starting pump.
Mediocre damage, fast firing rate, long reload times, runs out of ammo fast.
I sold it the next round and got a double barrel instead.
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By the numbers, it's a pretty disappointing weapon. It even has a worse stumble power rating than the pump action, and I have no idea why.
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And it's to heavy.
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