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Pushing the "druggies" even further out to the fringe, I'd hope. No one ever said that there'd ever be a dearth of hateful motherfuckers on the airwaves, but events of this nature serve to marginalize them and their hateful rhetoric. Big corporations with a wide reach are going to treat him and others like him like they're radioactive, therefore they reach fewer people, and we hopefully have less retards taking their cues from DJ Hatey McBigot.
I don't know.
I guess Manning'sEquation's analogy sucks, then.
So the same would be true if we attack the DJ Hatey McBigot's of the popular music scene?
Let no one say you lack tact Loren. At least I try to discuss analogies instead if throwing insults at them. If the analogy is false then the rational people of this forum will see it as such in a few pages.
In short please keep the discourse civil; I have not tried to offend you or anyone in this thread.
It is very rare that any discourse here is civil...if you have an opposing opinion, you are a complete and utter retard.
Of course, I don't think either of those apply to Loren whatsoever.
Took a bigot off the air by giving a negative reaction. Given that reaction, why would the networks replace him by someone like him?
Only if we attacked the artist through threatening to boycott the label, radio stations, and any merchandisers who may have been using him or her in add campaigns.
Protest the artist in particular, and all you do is add to the controversy surrounding the person and give them further notoriety. So long as people don't connect artists with the people who finance them and sell their records, there's no financial risk in putting out those albums.
There's still an audience for it. Imus still had quite a large fanbase. They got rid of him because sponsers were pulling out not because he wasn't going to get listeners anymore. If they replace him with Martha Stewart that fanbase will go elsewhere for thier racist idoicy.
Well, I do understand that we're not banning stormfront, I'm just saying we're removing it from a major news outlet. Not the biggest step ever, just a step.
No, how about you start siting instances of black community leaders like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton where they forced record labels to drop black artists because of their misogynistic message through heavy-handed threats of boycotts. I think the real problem I have with this whole Imus situation is the complete hypocrisy of the reaction.
It's fine for hip-hop and rap to convey a message of misogyny, violence, and hate thousands of time more often and more relevant than Imus did because that's what the public (mostly white suburban kids) are buying, but it's a national tragedy if some irrelavent old white guy makes an offensive joke.
It's fine for black comedians to make racially charged jokes about white people because...well actually nobody's been able to give me a valid reason why that's ok...but Imus borrowing a colloquialism from the urban vernacular for comedic effect makes him a racist asshole.
It's fine for Jesse Jackson, while he was a viable presidential candidate, to call NYC "hymietown", and then proceed to throw himself at every television camera he can find as soon as he smells the hint of someone else making a racially insensitive comment.
It's fine for Al Sharpton to lead a protest in which he called a store owner a "white interloper", which contributed to inciting one of the protesters to burned down the store killing himself and 8 other innocent people, but he'll lead the charge to get Imus fired.
Jesse Jackson can say that he's "sick and tired of hearing about the holocaust", but he's remained in the forefront of the fight against racism.
Al Sharpton has now been part of two separate incidents where he heavily threw his support behind a black woman who fabricated allegations of being raped by white guys, both times creating a media shit-storm and a very public outrage amongst the black community, but he's remained in the forefront of the fight against racism.
It's all just hypocritical, attention-whoring, race-bating, bullshit.
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But, you know, we'll just ignore history.
You might also want to read the last 10 or so pages in regards to hip-hop artists having messages of misogyny and homophobia in their music, seeing as how we've had that argument like 6 times.
How do you boycott something you don't buy? The only reason people who don't listen to Imus' show got him fired is because there are sponsors. In the music business, they do not exist.
We could try to do to rappers what was done to Imus, but I'm sure most people would rather spend their time opening refrigerators to fight global warming. It's probably more productive.
Who said it was fine? Oh, that's right, nobody. And he wasn't irrelevant. If he was, they would've fired his ass on day one, but they didn't because he's popular.
It's not our fault you can't tell the difference between "parody" and "bigoted shitsack."
The only reason I'm defending Imus is because I didn't think it was a racist comment. Was it racially insensitive? Sure, but I don't think that's the same thing. I believe that intent should be must more powerful than the actual words and in this case, if you are at all familiar with Imus' show, you'd realize that the intent of the comments was meant to be humorous, not malicious. Otherwise you'd have to believe that Imus and everyone involved with his show are openly and very publicly bigoted against pretty much every single group possible, including but not limited to blacks, women, jews, asians, arabs, fat people, bald people, alcoholics, and old people. His producers/co-hosts also make fun of him on a regular basis, so you can add old white people to that list of people the Imus in the Morning crew hate, too.
I'm also tired of seeing race-bating, meglomaniacal, attention whoring, assholes like Jackson and Sharpton acting like every little thing is the end of the fucking world. Remember the old adage about the boy who cried wolf? The only thing stuff like this accomplished is to marginalize outrage over actual instances of racism. I will guarantee you that I'm not the only person, including white people and black people, who see either of them on television and immediately assume that they're just trying to grab the spot light.
I also don't want to see any black comedians or music artists censored, through either government involvement or threats of public boycotts. The only reason I even bring any of that up is to point out the hypocracy. I'm all for trying to wipe out racism, but I just think the power of the public outcry needs to be weilded much more juditiously.
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The question, of course, is which one was parody and which one is the bigoted shitsack?
I think there's just as much racism against whites as there is against blacks...
Please, elaborate.
How are you quantifying racism?
I just don't see how that's possible, when whites are the majority and in control of far more aspects of human life.
Canman: A comment that is meant to be humorous can also be racist in nature, especially if it's a joke at someone's expense. "It was a joke," is not a legitimate excuse unless it's a parody, and there's nothing in Imus' history to indicate that he actually has a positive opinion (the opposite of what was shown on his show) of any of the minorities he lambasts and doesn't wish to present racist stereotypes as the truth.
So, if Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson tried to organize a boycott of every artist a particular record label handled until a particular artist was released, that'd be completely unproductive?
And it's not my fault that you don't understand the entire comedic genre of insult comedy. Either it's ok to tell racially charged jokes, regardless of the genre of comedy, or it isn't?
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B) Even if every black person in the United States got behind the boycott, it would still be ineffective because 70% of hip-hop consumers are white.
When will the white community answer for that, hmmm?
And exactly what percentage of Stables' consumer base comes from the black population? Exactly what percentage of Bigalow Tea come from the black population?
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I fail to see the relevance. You went from saying we should boycott hip-hop records, to... something else?
Ok, so how about we start going through the lyrics of the most popular hip-hop/rap songs and compair them to the most popular pop/country/rock/puck songs? If you can't even admit that this is a bigger issue in popular hip-hop and rap than in most musical genres, then there really isn't any point in discussing this further.
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Those are Imus' sponsors.
I don't think it's a fair point, though, because white people hate racism too and there's no reason to believe that only black people would be boycotting those entities (though I'm sure lots of black people shop at Staples, and like tea).
Actually, you said that since 70% of hip-hop consumers are white, that a boycott organized by black activists like Sharpton and Jackson would be futile. But they just proved that the threat of a boycott of Staples and Bigalow Tea (among other things) is indeed effective.
So, just because you don't buy a particular artist's albums means that by threatening to boycott all artists a particular record label manages would be completely meaningless?
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What does this have to do with "the black community"?
I would quantify racism as disliking someone based on their race, of course... I don't want to sound like a dick here but that is the easiest way for me to explain it.
I think there are just as many blacks who dislike white people just because they are white as there are white people who dislike blacks. Granted, history may give the blacks a reason to dislike whites but racism is racism regardless of the ability to justify it.
That said, I didn't buy into the firing. I don't know a damn thing about the man's private life; he could be a member of the Rainbow Coalition or the Ku Klux Klan, for all I know/care. However, I do know that he was extremely vocal on-air about blasting those commercials that tried to suggest that Harold Ford was sleeping with white women, as if that were a reason to not vote for him, due to their inherent racism. Then again, he's also made insensitive remarks about a ton of different ethnic/religious/social groups, but his roots are in shock-jockery, so no surprise.
Again, I'm not at all excusing the guy for making an idiotic, racist joke, but I don't think telling a joke like that is what makes a person a bigot.
That all said, a lot of comedians are right when they say he broke one of the golden rules of comedy: you do not put down/insult a person or group that has no pulpit to defend themselves. Rather, you go after the big and the powerful.
I'm just glad that we won't have more protests clogging up my path to campus this week; it'd be great if more people at Rutgers actually got to protesting the hideous use of what little funds we have by the main offices, but that's another story.
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But there are more white Americans than black Americans, so how can the two groups be equal in number? By virtue of being the majority, white Americans are less discriminated against.
And there are far more discriminatory acts committed against minorities than are committed against the majority, for the same reason.
You may want to give this and this a good read.
I never said that it was a problem solely in the black community. I said that it is a much more rampant issue in hip-hop and rap than in other genres of music. I was just wondering why Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton haven't used their considerable influence to demand a boycott of record labels who are profitting off of something 1000 times more damaging that a hurtful joke made at the expense of a woman's basketball team.
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Because the misogyny in popular hip-hop music is a symptom, not a root cause.
So now Imus is a root cause of misogyny?
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There's absolutely no value in just boycotts for the sake of boycotts. They're empty gestures.