I've never let go of the old season 3 escort standard with a DBB and a torpedo for opener/finisher and cannons for DPS.
It's a shame that with power creep, my beam overload oneshots so many things and few things actually survive until my torpedoes hit, but I'm with you - the current metagame is cranking out click heavy, visually boring, and tactically braindead ships, all for the sake of getting 100% in a game that's balanced around 50%.
The older builds were visually impressive and more engaging in gameplay.
There's a whole "STF league" channel in game revolving around these kinds of builds, too. Only thing keeping me out of it is that it requires you to run "canon" damage types and don't allow power consoles unless they're in-class (so you can use the Thunderchild's console on an Alita or Armitage, but not on a Galaxy), and I love my antiproton weapons and I've got so many alien gadgets bolted to my ship they keep denying me docking permission in ESD.
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My Odyssey is rolling around with two torps (a PEP and the wide angle quantum from the Regent) up front, five phasers and the cutting beam. So much more fun when you can use a bigger mix of skills and even more so with a bigger science seat for gravity wells. Plus it looks cool with all that stuff flying off her.
5 AP dual beams and 3 omnis is just boring not to mention the fact that antiproton sounds so horrible when it fires.
My Odyssey is rolling around with two torps (a PEP and the wide angle quantum from the Regent) up front, five phasers and the cutting beam. So much more fun when you can use a bigger mix of skills and even more so with a bigger science seat for gravity wells. Plus it looks cool with all that stuff flying off her.
5 AP dual beams and 3 omnis is just boring not to mention the fact that antiproton sounds so horrible when it fires.
Yes thank you. I have anti protons on my main and they are a lame sounding weapon. The lamest! I actually ran with two torps (one in front, one in back) just to open with a torp spread and finish with one.
I was thinking of getting that new temporal dreadnaught because it looks cool as hell, but seeing who runs it and why I'm like snooze! I've always liked escorts as well, but generally they tend to get baked way too easy.
I'll have to see how the Kelvin weapons are when I get to 50 (that's when opening the box will make them the highest right?) I was thinking of running a mainly Kelvin based ship of a modern variety, little old school new school.
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Like I've never used the Chimera but since its available at 40 as one version I'm out there blowing shit up with it and its fun (I like to think of the phaser lotus ability as a mini death lotus from last star fighter). I do have to say anytime I see someone "testing" a new ship I'm sad they use all beams and ridiculous gear because good lord what a boring ship. You can have my torpedoes from my under performing scrub hands!
Yeah, I hear you, buddy.
I play this game because I want to be in Starfleet. So phasers and quantums/photons, regardless of what the min-maxers say.
Right now everyone on Reddit is fawning over how powerful the Vengeance is, and how everyone should grab that, while I'm over here thinking, "but it's the Constitution-class."
I do have to say the JJ prise weapons need a sound pass, they are so meek sounding, especially the phasers and the ground phasers. Oh well the red cannonish look is cool. But Up the BOOM!
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Yeah, I agree. I only have the ground weapons right now, but they do sound a little piddly. Although, I ended up watching 2009 Trek over the weekend, and the phaser sounds there are remarkably similar- very punchy, quick sounds. Maybe they'll just take some getting used to, since most everything else is either a solid beam or a heavy cannon pulse.
I really wish the barrel spun on the phaser pistols when you fired a stun bolt. I understand why they don't, but it would've been neat.
Other members of the resource-inefficient wishlist:
-Having the Kelvin uniform and ship would switch your beaming animation.
-The Kelvin Connie came with an entire interior.
-They had given us an Odyssey-style color guide, because my Space Barbie is a babe in the woods without it.
I guess its been a while since I'd seen the movies. Its just kind of sad I wanted them to be a bit louder. Hell the torps also sound kind of quiet as well. Though they are like little blue lens flares.
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It's been a few months since I've played, but the new expansion looks neat and I can't help but theorycraft.
I wonder if the 2-piece set bonus for the new ships (+25% phaser damage) will actually make phasers competitive in the upper end? For the ships that can equip them, I mean.
I think the current metagame had already declared the agony phasers from the Terran lockbox the best, so that might actually lock it in. Of course, that +25% is likely before all other bonuses, so it's going to work out to be more like 5%, but it's the second set with a phaser bonus, and these things do build up.
Now, STO's metagame is schizophernic as we've been discussing the last page or so, but it is pretty good at figuring out which weapon configuration is 0.15% better than all the rest.
I think the current metagame had already declared the agony phasers from the Terran lockbox the best, so that might actually lock it in. Of course, that +25% is likely before all other bonuses, so it's going to work out to be more like 5%, but it's the second set with a phaser bonus, and these things do build up.
Now, STO's metagame is schizophernic as we've been discussing the last page or so, but it is pretty good at figuring out which weapon configuration is 0.15% better than all the rest.
And heaven forbid some scrub show up to a thingywuzzit with anything that parses as merely competitive.
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I've got Agony phasers on my ship and they are not bad indeed. I was wanting to go back to a phaser/quantums setup so I got em because they were cheap at mark 2, I could buy the mods I wanted and upgrade from there, which has worked out quite well.
I got the Kelvin Connie last night, and the phasers definitely sound weak. I'll have to bust out one of my escorts to be certain, but I'm pretty sure they just use the same sound as phaser turrets. They don't sound anything like the movies, which are a lot closer to cannon sounds.
Also, the fore torpedo comes out of the deflector dish. Cryptic has a little work to do.
That said, I'm in love with the ship. She flies like a dream, and the boff seating is very flexible.
you can get by with some of the lesser ships just fine, really. There's really nothing you can't do with them. However, to push the envelope a bit, yeah, the c-store and other cash-shop ships are the better choices. I really, really like my Arbiter. I had the T5 version, and as soon as it went to T6 I jumped on it as well. My AoY is using a JJ-prise and it's actually a lot of fun (with the kelvin phasers and torpedoes).
but honestly, just play what you like. Cryptic wants you to spend money, so they make the ships very good incentives. You don't "need" them though.
So I sold some keys and bought my own jj prise (named it the Holtzman, I can't wait for some asshole to give me shit for that). Love the design, little slow on turning, but having dealt with the temporal dreadnaught it doesn't feel that slow.
Combined with my JJ Tribble I'm all in on the Lens Flare
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I'm sure I've built my connie dumb as hell, but I tell you popping that eject aux cores and flipping around for a full broadside with my dual phaser banks and torp spread makes me feel so JJ I wish it came lens flare.
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Being able to play around with the Kelvin Connie reminds me how much I love the aesthetics of the JJ-verse movies. The stories have plenty of holes, but the set design is amazing.
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I'm sure I've built my connie dumb as hell, but I tell you popping that eject aux cores and flipping around for a full broadside with my dual phaser banks and torp spread makes me feel so JJ I wish it came lens flare.
I got the vengeance and want to switch to phasers, but the investment would kill me. I've got almost all epic AP beams and consoles. Also big downside of vengeance is the loss of a science console and the bridge seating. Still it looks so cool.
Thinking of playing through on my low level romulan while the nice XP is still going on. Does anyone know the best t6 for tac romulans right now?
I think the best t6 anything for Romulans still comes down to the Scimitar variants. The thing's just a ridiculous beast of a ship.
Don't those show as t5 in the wiki? Not that I've been trying to figure out which t6 D'Deridex-clone-lookalike I will be immediately purchasing upon Xbox release or anything. (Current front-runner: D'Khellra!)
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I think the best t6 anything for Romulans still comes down to the Scimitar variants. The thing's just a ridiculous beast of a ship.
Don't those show as t5 in the wiki? Not that I've been trying to figure out which t6 D'Deridex-clone-lookalike I will be immediately purchasing upon Xbox release or anything. (Current front-runner: D'Khellra!)
There's T6 Scimitars, they came out the same time as the T6 Odyssey and Bortasqu variants
I think the best t6 anything for Romulans still comes down to the Scimitar variants. The thing's just a ridiculous beast of a ship.
Don't those show as t5 in the wiki? Not that I've been trying to figure out which t6 D'Deridex-clone-lookalike I will be immediately purchasing upon Xbox release or anything. (Current front-runner: D'Khellra!)
There's T6 Scimitars, they came out the same time as the T6 Odyssey and Bortasqu variants
Oh I see... I should really just accept that I'm going to buy the biggest shiny I can find that looks like a proper warbird and to hell with optimisation.
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I think the best t6 anything for Romulans still comes down to the Scimitar variants. The thing's just a ridiculous beast of a ship.
Don't those show as t5 in the wiki? Not that I've been trying to figure out which t6 D'Deridex-clone-lookalike I will be immediately purchasing upon Xbox release or anything. (Current front-runner: D'Khellra!)
There's T6 Scimitars, they came out the same time as the T6 Odyssey and Bortasqu variants
Oh I see... I should really just accept that I'm going to buy the biggest shiny I can find that looks like a proper warbird and to hell with optimisation.
Equally valid! iirc the D'Khellra can also wear the D'Deridex costume/parts so that's a winner if you're after a classic. The Morrigu is also well worth considering as it has a reportedly excellent trait attached to it and can use the Mogai parts for a film look.
I think the best t6 anything for Romulans still comes down to the Scimitar variants. The thing's just a ridiculous beast of a ship.
Don't those show as t5 in the wiki? Not that I've been trying to figure out which t6 D'Deridex-clone-lookalike I will be immediately purchasing upon Xbox release or anything. (Current front-runner: D'Khellra!)
There's T6 Scimitars, they came out the same time as the T6 Odyssey and Bortasqu variants
Oh I see... I should really just accept that I'm going to buy the biggest shiny I can find that looks like a proper warbird and to hell with optimisation.
It's been a while since I've played the game, but that's pretty much the way I played it.
Sure, it's more efficient to focus on a single kind of energy weapon so you can buff whatever type damage you like, but is it as spectacular as shooting rainbows of death?
I think the best t6 anything for Romulans still comes down to the Scimitar variants. The thing's just a ridiculous beast of a ship.
Don't those show as t5 in the wiki? Not that I've been trying to figure out which t6 D'Deridex-clone-lookalike I will be immediately purchasing upon Xbox release or anything. (Current front-runner: D'Khellra!)
There's T6 Scimitars, they came out the same time as the T6 Odyssey and Bortasqu variants
Oh I see... I should really just accept that I'm going to buy the biggest shiny I can find that looks like a proper warbird and to hell with optimisation.
Equally valid! iirc the D'Khellra can also wear the D'Deridex costume/parts so that's a winner if you're after a classic.
If I understand all this properly, indeed it can.
The carrier stuff looks intriguing though, so y'know, maybe one of each. Because I clearly hate money or something.
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I think the best t6 anything for Romulans still comes down to the Scimitar variants. The thing's just a ridiculous beast of a ship.
Don't those show as t5 in the wiki? Not that I've been trying to figure out which t6 D'Deridex-clone-lookalike I will be immediately purchasing upon Xbox release or anything. (Current front-runner: D'Khellra!)
There's T6 Scimitars, they came out the same time as the T6 Odyssey and Bortasqu variants
Oh I see... I should really just accept that I'm going to buy the biggest shiny I can find that looks like a proper warbird and to hell with optimisation.
It's been a while since I've played the game, but that's pretty much the way I played it.
Sure, it's more efficient to focus on a single kind of energy weapon so you can buff whatever type damage you like, but is it as spectacular as shooting rainbows of death?
they just added a variant of antiproton weapons that literally shoots rainbows, so you can get the best of both worlds now if that's your jam :snap:
I think the best t6 anything for Romulans still comes down to the Scimitar variants. The thing's just a ridiculous beast of a ship.
Don't those show as t5 in the wiki? Not that I've been trying to figure out which t6 D'Deridex-clone-lookalike I will be immediately purchasing upon Xbox release or anything. (Current front-runner: D'Khellra!)
There's T6 Scimitars, they came out the same time as the T6 Odyssey and Bortasqu variants
Oh I see... I should really just accept that I'm going to buy the biggest shiny I can find that looks like a proper warbird and to hell with optimisation.
Equally valid! iirc the D'Khellra can also wear the D'Deridex costume/parts so that's a winner if you're after a classic.
If I understand all this properly, indeed it can.
The carrier stuff looks intriguing though, so y'know, maybe one of each. Because I clearly hate money or something.
Carriers are fun, but can be wonky.
The Scimitar is more on the "carrier lite" side of things, like the Armitage or Orion cruisers, so the wonkiness isn't really there. It's a force in its own right supported by its pets rather than supporting them like, say, the Vo'quv or Jupiter.
Personally, as a romulan player who uses alot of escorts, my absolute favorite ship in the game right now is the T5U romulan Talvath Temporal destroyer. It's like someone took a D'deridex, and made it small, agile and incredibly elegant. Plus the officer seating and console setup works out very well for my build. On the downside, it's a T5U ship, which means you can't use any of the fancy bridge officer specializations like pilot or intelligence officer etc.
But damn, if it ain't one hell of a fine looking ship. My secret hope is that some day, cryptic will update the design to allow temporal operative seating, or release a version of it that doesn't have the advanced 29th century tech stripped out of it.
Personally, as a romulan player who uses alot of escorts, my absolute favorite ship in the game right now is the T5U romulan Talvath Temporal destroyer. It's like someone took a D'deridex, and made it small, agile and incredibly elegant. Plus the officer seating and console setup works out very well for my build. On the downside, it's a T5U ship, which means you can't use any of the fancy bridge officer specializations like pilot or intelligence officer etc.
But damn, if it ain't one hell of a fine looking ship. My secret hope is that some day, cryptic will update the design to allow temporal operative seating, or release a version of it that doesn't have the advanced 29th century tech stripped out of it.
That's not bad looking, yeah. I don't think it involves words like "dreadnaught", or "broadside", or "ponderous" though...
Finished the Iconian War, I actually liked the resolution there, it made it feel like a serious losing effort, and the federation did some dirty shit dominion war style. Only thing I didn't like was not being able to kill Sela.
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R&D weekend. And the devs were kind enough to give us the duty officer first tier goal, I swear same thing happened last time they set the goal for duty officers way too high for how people use them.
Also you can get those sweet Kelvin admiral Unis now.
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I'm not sure a nerf has ever been quite so profitable:
1. See patch note on Tribble that indicates giant contraband/dil supply nerf.
2. ???Spend 5500 zen for 423 dil each.
3. Profit! As of right now it's down to 384 dil/zen (when buying zen).
I also opened a bunch of Kelvin boxes, got a bunch of crap. I did, however, accumulate enough lobi to grab the Not-Vengeance from the store. Then I spent most of the credits I got from selling the other Kelvin stuff on Agony phasers; just missing the omni-beam for the rear (those start at 50m, which I don't have now).
And then, once the R&D event started, I blew all 15 of my Omega upgrades getting a single Mk.XI Agony DBB to Mk.IV-epic.
The starship for the new Star Trek series was shown off in a brief teaser clip which can be found in the box below. I'm guessing CBS will probably let Cryptic put it into the game to help promote the show.
Is it just me or does this ship remind anyone of some old starship designs? I could swear it looks a lot like the redesign the Enterprise would have gotten for the proposed Phase II series. Hard to tell where timeline-wise this show's set too by the look of the ship alone.
Registration is NCC-1031, so prior to NCC-1701 (TOS) and post-Enterprise, unless this is a "out of mothballs" sort of story. Tech also looks to be a mix of Klingon/Fed, looking to be roughly around the TOS era or prior. Music also sounded Klingony, you'll note. And Starbase in an asteroid is a little unusual.
I'm happy that it's Prime-timeline, though. Nothing against the other one, but I know my favorites.
The starship for the new Star Trek series was shown off in a brief teaser clip which can be found in the box below. I'm guessing CBS will probably let Cryptic put it into the game to help promote the show.
Is it just me or does this ship remind anyone of some old starship designs? I could swear it looks a lot like the redesign the Enterprise would have gotten for the proposed Phase II series. Hard to tell where timeline-wise this show's set too by the look of the ship alone.
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yeah that is ralph mcquarrie's enterprise concept to a T
I don't really care for it.
apparently I can tolerate a disc connected to a cylinder with arms by an absurdly thin neck just fine, but a disc connected to a wedge is a bridge too far
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It's a shame that with power creep, my beam overload oneshots so many things and few things actually survive until my torpedoes hit, but I'm with you - the current metagame is cranking out click heavy, visually boring, and tactically braindead ships, all for the sake of getting 100% in a game that's balanced around 50%.
The older builds were visually impressive and more engaging in gameplay.
There's a whole "STF league" channel in game revolving around these kinds of builds, too. Only thing keeping me out of it is that it requires you to run "canon" damage types and don't allow power consoles unless they're in-class (so you can use the Thunderchild's console on an Alita or Armitage, but not on a Galaxy), and I love my antiproton weapons and I've got so many alien gadgets bolted to my ship they keep denying me docking permission in ESD.
5 AP dual beams and 3 omnis is just boring not to mention the fact that antiproton sounds so horrible when it fires.
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Yes thank you. I have anti protons on my main and they are a lame sounding weapon. The lamest! I actually ran with two torps (one in front, one in back) just to open with a torp spread and finish with one.
I was thinking of getting that new temporal dreadnaught because it looks cool as hell, but seeing who runs it and why I'm like snooze! I've always liked escorts as well, but generally they tend to get baked way too easy.
I'll have to see how the Kelvin weapons are when I get to 50 (that's when opening the box will make them the highest right?) I was thinking of running a mainly Kelvin based ship of a modern variety, little old school new school.
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Yeah, I hear you, buddy.
I play this game because I want to be in Starfleet. So phasers and quantums/photons, regardless of what the min-maxers say.
Right now everyone on Reddit is fawning over how powerful the Vengeance is, and how everyone should grab that, while I'm over here thinking, "but it's the Constitution-class."
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I really wish the barrel spun on the phaser pistols when you fired a stun bolt. I understand why they don't, but it would've been neat.
Other members of the resource-inefficient wishlist:
-Having the Kelvin uniform and ship would switch your beaming animation.
-The Kelvin Connie came with an entire interior.
-They had given us an Odyssey-style color guide, because my Space Barbie is a babe in the woods without it.
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I wonder if the 2-piece set bonus for the new ships (+25% phaser damage) will actually make phasers competitive in the upper end? For the ships that can equip them, I mean.
Now, STO's metagame is schizophernic as we've been discussing the last page or so, but it is pretty good at figuring out which weapon configuration is 0.15% better than all the rest.
And heaven forbid some scrub show up to a thingywuzzit with anything that parses as merely competitive.
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Also, the fore torpedo comes out of the deflector dish. Cryptic has a little work to do.
That said, I'm in love with the ship. She flies like a dream, and the boff seating is very flexible.
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So, I was told what starship traits are really good for Tactical Captains.
Which is a bummer, because they are.
A 900 Crystal Lobi Ship
A 3k C-Store Ship
Another 3k C-Store Ship.
I was trying to cheat and see if they might have a pack, and, well, of course they don't come in a pack.
HMMM...
but honestly, just play what you like. Cryptic wants you to spend money, so they make the ships very good incentives. You don't "need" them though.
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Combined with my JJ Tribble I'm all in on the Lens Flare
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hopefully this puts a bit of a brake on the dilithium exchange rate because it was just getting silly.
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this makes me wish shiny was still a thing
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Thinking of playing through on my low level romulan while the nice XP is still going on. Does anyone know the best t6 for tac romulans right now?
Don't those show as t5 in the wiki? Not that I've been trying to figure out which t6 D'Deridex-clone-lookalike I will be immediately purchasing upon Xbox release or anything. (Current front-runner: D'Khellra!)
There's T6 Scimitars, they came out the same time as the T6 Odyssey and Bortasqu variants
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Khopesh_Tactical_Dreadnought_Warbird_(T6)
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Oh I see... I should really just accept that I'm going to buy the biggest shiny I can find that looks like a proper warbird and to hell with optimisation.
Equally valid! iirc the D'Khellra can also wear the D'Deridex costume/parts so that's a winner if you're after a classic. The Morrigu is also well worth considering as it has a reportedly excellent trait attached to it and can use the Mogai parts for a film look.
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Sure, it's more efficient to focus on a single kind of energy weapon so you can buff whatever type damage you like, but is it as spectacular as shooting rainbows of death?
If I understand all this properly, indeed it can.
The carrier stuff looks intriguing though, so y'know, maybe one of each. Because I clearly hate money or something.
they just added a variant of antiproton weapons that literally shoots rainbows, so you can get the best of both worlds now if that's your jam :snap:
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Carriers are fun, but can be wonky.
The Scimitar is more on the "carrier lite" side of things, like the Armitage or Orion cruisers, so the wonkiness isn't really there. It's a force in its own right supported by its pets rather than supporting them like, say, the Vo'quv or Jupiter.
But damn, if it ain't one hell of a fine looking ship. My secret hope is that some day, cryptic will update the design to allow temporal operative seating, or release a version of it that doesn't have the advanced 29th century tech stripped out of it.
That's not bad looking, yeah. I don't think it involves words like "dreadnaught", or "broadside", or "ponderous" though...
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Also you can get those sweet Kelvin admiral Unis now.
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1. See patch note on Tribble that indicates giant contraband/dil supply nerf.
2. ??? Spend 5500 zen for 423 dil each.
3. Profit! As of right now it's down to 384 dil/zen (when buying zen).
I also opened a bunch of Kelvin boxes, got a bunch of crap. I did, however, accumulate enough lobi to grab the Not-Vengeance from the store. Then I spent most of the credits I got from selling the other Kelvin stuff on Agony phasers; just missing the omni-beam for the rear (those start at 50m, which I don't have now).
And then, once the R&D event started, I blew all 15 of my Omega upgrades getting a single Mk.XI Agony DBB to Mk.IV-epic.
Is it just me or does this ship remind anyone of some old starship designs? I could swear it looks a lot like the redesign the Enterprise would have gotten for the proposed Phase II series. Hard to tell where timeline-wise this show's set too by the look of the ship alone.
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
I'm happy that it's Prime-timeline, though. Nothing against the other one, but I know my favorites.
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I don't really care for it.
apparently I can tolerate a disc connected to a cylinder with arms by an absurdly thin neck just fine, but a disc connected to a wedge is a bridge too far