Same with factory work. When I worked in a manufacturing plant, there was no cares given to sunlight, we worked 12 hour shifts year round. No sunlight for you!
Chicago and New York should be on separate schedules.
Chicago and New York are on separate schedules because they're in different timezones. And since they both observe daylight savings time that doesn't change their schedules relative to each other.
So, I commute to work, and during certain days of the year (let's say, the middle two weeks of October), the sun is right in my frickin' face in the morning and blinding my rear-view mirrors in the evening (or worse, reflecting off of the car in front of me so it STILL blinds my face). If DST didn't exist, then it would only be two weeks out of the year that this happens. But NOOOooo. Because of DST, I have to suffer the blinding sun on my morning and evening drives for another frickin' two weeks! Because it just so happens that when DST occurs in the fall, it moves my schedule back to the solar rhythm which shoves the sun into "blind my eyes" region.
The whole point of mechanical clocks is to aid in coordination. Having a universally agreed upon time when 11:00 is 11:00 is 11:00 makes sense because it is universal. Having that change to a different time, the change itself occurring on different days, and going in different directions depending on being in the northern or summer hemisphere is the antithesis of the problem that clocks were invented to solve. And it isn't even universally applied anyway.
Ben Franklin was wrong, and sleepy french whores were right.
You'd think some of that would have... rubbed off on him.
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It's easy to remember when the fall change in the states is, though. The Sunday after Halloween. I believe this was due to the candy lobby wanting more sunlight for trick-or-treaters.
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As well as being dumb as bricks, it's an anachronism that does more harm than good. I totally agree that it's here mostly because of inertia; if we didn't have it and anyone suggested it now, they'd be laughed at.
I'm all for DST because I like listening to people whinge about it.
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I think it's a big fat dumb.
Who is a farmer anymore anyway? It's not like we have all these family farmers that get to choose when they start and end the day. They're all employees of factory farms working defined shifts.
Unless I'm misunderstanding (which is very possible) some of the complaints I'm seeing, based on what's being said, it seems like some of y'all think that DST is what just started today. In fact, what started today is Standard Time, not DST (we just finished with DST). So yeah, if you like the time schedule we're now on, you're anti-DST, and vice-versa.
EDIT: I prefer Standard Time (what we're on now) because I find it easier to wake up when there's daylight outside. If it's still dark out, getting out of bed is much harder for me. But as others have said, I'd be okay if they just picked a time and stuck with it.
It seems like most of the time I hear someone complain about DST, they don't realize that it starts in the Spring and ends in the Fall. What we're seeing right now is normal time. Personally I prefer DST hours because I would rather it be dark when I wake up than when I get out of work. Though I think the jumping back and forth is stupid so I would prefer we just kept normal time and did everything an hour earlier.
Who is a farmer anymore anyway? It's not like we have all these family farmers that get to choose when they start and end the day. They're all employees of factory farms working defined shifts.
All the farmers I knew in school hated DST with a passion. Cows don't wear watches and don't give a shit so long as you milk them at the same time every day.
Chicago and New York should be on separate schedules.
Chicago and New York are on separate schedules because they're in different timezones. And since they both observe daylight savings time that doesn't change their schedules relative to each other.
Eh, we are and we aren't. A lot of businesses will have their shift be 8-4 instead of 9-5 so that it'll line up with a New York office. Not everybody, but it isn't all that uncommon. But DST has nothing to do with it.
B...b...but, farmers, guys! Or something. Economic impact, etc.
My stupid state didn't observe this shit for the longest time, then we were all like "hey, let's join the stupid-train" in 2006.
It'd be less of a pain in the dick if I didn't have a kid. Kids don't like going to sleep when it looks like it's noon outside, apparently.
Gosh, is not that truth. I'm originally from Indiana, and what drove me bonkers was the fact that the majority of the state goes to the EST time zones while only Northwest an Southwest Indiana stay in the central zone? WTF?
B...b...but, farmers, guys! Or something. Economic impact, etc.
My stupid state didn't observe this shit for the longest time, then we were all like "hey, let's join the stupid-train" in 2006.
It'd be less of a pain in the dick if I didn't have a kid. Kids don't like going to sleep when it looks like it's noon outside, apparently.
Gosh, is not that truth. I'm originally from Indiana, and what drove me bonkers was the fact that the majority of the state goes to the EST time zones while only Northwest an Southwest Indiana stay in the central zone? WTF?
Well, it was basically because Lake and Porter counties are essentially part of Chicago and wanted to make it easier for shift workers at Gary and South Works. Don't know why anybody else decided to change.
Who is a farmer anymore anyway? It's not like we have all these family farmers that get to choose when they start and end the day. They're all employees of factory farms working defined shifts.
You live in DC, right? Take a drive out here to Central MD, and all of our farms are family owned. A lot of private Mennonite farms too (we just bought a 1/4 cow from one to put into the big freezer). It's pretty nice as we get free-range organic meat and dairy for much less than at a grocery store and have developed pretty good relationships with the people we buy our food from (many are happy to give tours). We mostly just go the grocery store for stuff like snacks and "little things" now.
Who is a farmer anymore anyway? It's not like we have all these family farmers that get to choose when they start and end the day. They're all employees of factory farms working defined shifts.
All the farmers I knew in school hated DST with a passion. Cows don't wear watches and don't give a shit so long as you milk them at the same time every day.
Yeah I see this weird idea that DST is supposed to be a benefit to farmers. It isn't. Animals and plants don't have clocks and having the same time the whole year round is better.
The purpose of DST is to have longer evenings and daylight after work. It is for the benefit of the 9 to 5 workers in the rest of society. The world was already heavily industrialised in the early 1900s after all.
There's no way to get rid of Daylight Savings. Even though many enlightened liberals here are opposed to it, the masses take comfort in routine and will resist change.
You're stuck with it for the rest of your life.
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There is also an idea of keeping DST year round. As Russia did.
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Same with factory work. When I worked in a manufacturing plant, there was no cares given to sunlight, we worked 12 hour shifts year round. No sunlight for you!
Well we have electric lighting now so they wouldnt care so much about sunlight.
By the way, Alabama is the state that is going to consider the DST issue, and the senator in question isn't my senator, but as this article says, if he were my senator, I'd vote for him.
Who is a farmer anymore anyway? It's not like we have all these family farmers that get to choose when they start and end the day. They're all employees of factory farms working defined shifts.
All the farmers I knew in school hated DST with a passion. Cows don't wear watches and don't give a shit so long as you milk them at the same time every day.
Yeah I see this weird idea that DST is supposed to be a benefit to farmers. It isn't. Animals and plants don't have clocks and having the same time the whole year round is better.
The purpose of DST is to have longer evenings and daylight after work. It is for the benefit of the 9 to 5 workers in the rest of society. The world was already heavily industrialised in the early 1900s after all.
Exactly, which is why it's even more ridiculous.
Fucking with the clocks of an entire country is obviously way more rational than just letting people go home from work earlier.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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I think it's a big fat dumb.
I prefer winter time to summer time.
I also live in the subtropics so it's not as great a change for me as it would be for a northerner
The argument against daylight savings time even has a test case in the US - Arizona. I've spent a few months there and they seem to get along just fine without it.
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Who is a farmer anymore anyway? It's not like we have all these family farmers that get to choose when they start and end the day. They're all employees of factory farms working defined shifts.
All the farmers I knew in school hated DST with a passion. Cows don't wear watches and don't give a shit so long as you milk them at the same time every day.
Yeah I see this weird idea that DST is supposed to be a benefit to farmers. It isn't. Animals and plants don't have clocks and having the same time the whole year round is better.
The purpose of DST is to have longer evenings and daylight after work. It is for the benefit of the 9 to 5 workers in the rest of society. The world was already heavily industrialised in the early 1900s after all.
Exactly, which is why it's even more ridiculous.
Fucking with the clocks of an entire country is obviously way more rational than just letting people go home from work earlier.
Well, it allows for uniformity. Though seeing how any individual firm can set their hours however they want, that only really materializes in the sense that people have a social expectation of when places are open and when you should be at your desk, and its hard to fight that inertia as a random company. "Whaddya mean you decided to close at 8:00, but only when it's cold out?"
Most people associate time with the sun so it makes perfect sense for some regions.
We can get rid of DST the day we all switch to a global time where 12.00 means its 12.00 everywhere!
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JuliusCaptain of Serenityon my shipRegistered Userregular
By the way, Alabama is the state that is going to consider the DST issue, and the senator in question isn't my senator, but as this article says, if he were my senator, I'd vote for him.
By the way, Alabama is the state that is going to consider the DST issue, and the senator in question isn't my senator, but as this article says, if he were my senator, I'd vote for him.
The proposal is to eliminate standard time, as opposed to DST.
Which is most people's preference, but as has been said before, either would be preferable just fucking pick one.
Yeah put me in for "always summer time". The biggest disadvantage I see is the sun will come up really late in the winter.
Since the choice is between driving to work/school in the dark or driving to work/school with the sun directly in my eyes, I know which one I'll take every time.
It being dark at like 5PM is the worst worst worst.
Ain't that standard time?
Yes that is standard time. DST time is when it's still dark when you get into work at 9.
But I get to work at 8, so that doesn't make a difference.
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I think it's a big fat dumb.
Hah yeah I never really think about which is which. Think of it more like a shitty awful poop switch that makes it darker earlier and that's the worst yuck.
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Chicago and New York are on separate schedules because they're in different timezones. And since they both observe daylight savings time that doesn't change their schedules relative to each other.
Down with DST.
You'd think some of that would have... rubbed off on him.
Love it.
And I'm no libertarian, but I always liked this:
As well as being dumb as bricks, it's an anachronism that does more harm than good. I totally agree that it's here mostly because of inertia; if we didn't have it and anyone suggested it now, they'd be laughed at.
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that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
EDIT: I prefer Standard Time (what we're on now) because I find it easier to wake up when there's daylight outside. If it's still dark out, getting out of bed is much harder for me. But as others have said, I'd be okay if they just picked a time and stuck with it.
All the farmers I knew in school hated DST with a passion. Cows don't wear watches and don't give a shit so long as you milk them at the same time every day.
Eh, we are and we aren't. A lot of businesses will have their shift be 8-4 instead of 9-5 so that it'll line up with a New York office. Not everybody, but it isn't all that uncommon. But DST has nothing to do with it.
Gosh, is not that truth. I'm originally from Indiana, and what drove me bonkers was the fact that the majority of the state goes to the EST time zones while only Northwest an Southwest Indiana stay in the central zone? WTF?
Well, it was basically because Lake and Porter counties are essentially part of Chicago and wanted to make it easier for shift workers at Gary and South Works. Don't know why anybody else decided to change.
You live in DC, right? Take a drive out here to Central MD, and all of our farms are family owned. A lot of private Mennonite farms too (we just bought a 1/4 cow from one to put into the big freezer). It's pretty nice as we get free-range organic meat and dairy for much less than at a grocery store and have developed pretty good relationships with the people we buy our food from (many are happy to give tours). We mostly just go the grocery store for stuff like snacks and "little things" now.
"sorry pardner, I can't help you this afternoon... it's 5PM on Texas Time"
then it came back because mass crying by idiots
dst is a huge waste of time
In addition to all of the other terrible things about the switch, every goddamn year I have to hear people slander the memory of Benjamin Franklin.
Folks, Ben Franklin did not "invent", "propose", "come up with", or in any other way endorse this nonsense.
Here's the letter he wrote to the Journal of Paris in 1784 that people point to:
http://www.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/franklin3.html
Anyone who actually reads the thing can see that it's a hilarious piece of eighteenth-century trolling and not an actual proposal.
Daylight Savings Time was actually invented by some jackass from New Zealand; leave Ben out of it.
Yeah I see this weird idea that DST is supposed to be a benefit to farmers. It isn't. Animals and plants don't have clocks and having the same time the whole year round is better.
The purpose of DST is to have longer evenings and daylight after work. It is for the benefit of the 9 to 5 workers in the rest of society. The world was already heavily industrialised in the early 1900s after all.
You're stuck with it for the rest of your life.
Well we have electric lighting now so they wouldnt care so much about sunlight.
http://www.nola.com/outdoors/index.ssf/2014/10/legislator_pushes_to_make_dayl.html
The proposal is to eliminate standard time, as opposed to DST.
Which is most people's preference, but as has been said before, either would be preferable just fucking pick one.
Exactly, which is why it's even more ridiculous.
Fucking with the clocks of an entire country is obviously way more rational than just letting people go home from work earlier.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I also live in the subtropics so it's not as great a change for me as it would be for a northerner
The argument against daylight savings time even has a test case in the US - Arizona. I've spent a few months there and they seem to get along just fine without it.
Well, it allows for uniformity. Though seeing how any individual firm can set their hours however they want, that only really materializes in the sense that people have a social expectation of when places are open and when you should be at your desk, and its hard to fight that inertia as a random company. "Whaddya mean you decided to close at 8:00, but only when it's cold out?"
Still idiotic, though.
We can get rid of DST the day we all switch to a global time where 12.00 means its 12.00 everywhere!
Yeah put me in for "always summer time". The biggest disadvantage I see is the sun will come up really late in the winter.
Since the choice is between driving to work/school in the dark or driving to work/school with the sun directly in my eyes, I know which one I'll take every time.
It being dark at like 5PM is the worst worst worst.
Ain't that standard time?
Yes that is standard time. DST time is when it's still dark when you get into work at 9.
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But I get to work at 8, so that doesn't make a difference.