There is a reason that pretty much all "legal experts" outside of boston are saying the venue shouldn't matter in this case. No federal court will rule on an arbitration case of this nature. The ones that have been ruled on recently have all had some exterior addition that allowed that Minn judge to take the case. It is worthwhile to note that his rulings will most likely be overturned in appeal because the Feds are REALLY picky about messing with CBA agreed upon Arbitration.
To us Pats haters this whole thing boils down to Brady walking into a trap. Goodell won this one as a direct result of Brady. It is humorous to see the backlash around the web as even noted NFL haters are looking at this situation completely different after the NFL released its ace in the hole yesterday.
USA Today also had an article blasting Brady. But as I stated even if Minnesota rules against the NFL it will most likely be turned over in appeals like the AP case is going to be.
NFLPA STATEMENT ON TOM BRADY'S FOUR-GAME SUSPENSION
The Commissioner's ruling today did nothing to address the legal deficiencies of due process. The NFL remains stuck with the following facts:
The NFL had no policy that applied to players;
The NFL provided no notice of any such policy or potential discipline to players;
The NFL resorted to a nebulous standard of "general awareness" to predicate a legally unjustified punishment;
The NFL had no procedures in place until two days ago to test air pressure in footballs; and
The NFL violated the plain meaning of the collective bargaining agreement.
The fact that the NFL would resort to basing a suspension on a smoke screen of irrelevant text messages instead of admitting that they have all of the phone records they asked for is a new low, even for them, but it does nothing to correct their errors.
The NFLPA will appeal this outrageous decision on behalf of Tom Brady.
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Roger Goodell has carefully mulled this over, because he wants to make it right.
You have been suspended 7 games because, in your words: “I still believe in Geno Smith.”
Of course sports fans are stupid! How can someone rationalize the undying love that a simple person feels towards a team of people who aren't from here and represent your city, by which the team is owned by a money grubbing jackass which is squeezing as much cash from the devoted as possible? Also, it's just a game and we're yelling at each other like your dog shit in my yard as a diversion for you to break into my house, steal my money, and run off with my daughter.
Sports fans are crazy, illogical creatures that are akin to religious fanatics; some are more like zealots.
So why continue to act like this? Because REASONS!
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While I agree that being insensitive is an issue, so is being oversensitive.
I also find it funny that Brady said he provided the texts from that phone, but they were just the headers, before breaking his phone.
From my understanding they provided all the lists and said "which ones do you want to see?" and the NFL said "eehhhhh, we'll get back to you" and never did.
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About that exploding cellphone. You know, the one that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell seems to think belonged to Machine Gun Kelly and was used in the kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby, as well as the Krupp diamond theft. The one that Ted Wells said he didn’t want or need in order to complete his investigation into DeflateGate. The one the NFL’s own investigator said wasn’t necessary to the case.
That one.
Wells never asked for Tom Brady’s cellphone, and didn’t require it. “Keep the phone,” Wells told Brady and his agent. He insisted that his investigation was thorough without it. “I don’t think it undermines in any way the conclusions of the report,” he said. Those were his exact words. So were these, after interrogating Brady for more than five hours: “Totally cooperative,” Wells said of Brady’s testimony.
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You see the same pattern here. Brady’s phone was unimportant — until it was important, because Goodell needed it to be, to rescue his prestige.
Back on Feb. 28, the Wells team sent an e-mail to Brady and his agent Don Yee requesting his cellphone records. Not the phone itself, just the records. Yee responded that he wasn’t willing to turn over Brady’s private cell information, on precedent. While it was reasonable for Wells to collect information from work cellphones issued by the Patriots — Wells already had possession of five phones from Pats employees and examined their communications with Brady — Brady’s private phone was simply not necessary, Yee said. Wells wasn’t thrilled, but he accepted it.
“They knew and had no quarrel with the non-production of the phone,” Dowd points out.
Neither Wells nor Goodell ever notified Brady that not producing his phone would mean discipline for non-cooperation. On Wednesday, the NFL Players Association filed a 54-page lawsuit on Brady’s behalf making that point. The issue Brady and his team thought they were addressing in his Wells interview and appeal was the inflation of game balls. According to Dowd, this compromises the whole matter: Goodell moved the finish line.
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It’s only when you go back and examine the Wells report, and study Goodell’s written decision more closely, that you discover the phone was never demanded as evidence. You also discover Footnote Number 11.
Goodell’s own buried footnote says that during the appeal before him, Brady and his agents furnished comprehensive cellphone records, including records of 10,000 text messages, and offered to help find and reconstruct all relevant communications.
Goodell rejected the offer as “not practical.” Actually nothing would have been easier. Brady’s phone records showed that he communicated with just 28 league-affiliated people. It was clear from the phone numbers which of them were Patriots employees in a position to manipulate game balls. It should have been a simple matter to discern if Brady destroyed relevant communications with them.
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There is a difference between "we don't need the phone we just want the data from it" and "we don't want the phone". Wells suggests the first, to which Brady did not fully comply. Which is the same as "not providing the phone". Wells said that Brady complied on testimony not on records provided. These are not the same. (Indeed a Patriots friendly source even explains as such when discussing the email exchange between wells over the report, but does not elaborate as to what "disappointed" means)
"You can have text headers and we will help you reconstruct the conversations" is not the same as "we gave them the relevant texts" and it's the second thing they didn't do and it's the second ting that is at issue and then Brady went and destroyed a phone he should have known he might need on appeal. Which basically means we get to assume it was incriminating
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At the end of the day, this has never been about deflation or cell phones. This is about the grumblings of 31 of Goodell's employers and his desire to look strong before them. If Brady had turned over his phone, Goodell would have patted him on his head and let him go - he admitted as much. This whole thing is just an ego trip for an impotent ruler trying to keep his hold on the kingdom, and it doesn't hurt him that the NFL has stayed in the limelight even after the Super Bowl.
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Patriot hater Mike Kensil is being reported as the source for the demonstrably false tweet that kicked off DeflateGate and turned public opinion against them from the start
At the end of the day, this has never been about deflation or cell phones. This is about the grumblings of 31 of Goodell's employers and his desire to look strong before them. If Brady had turned over his phone, Goodell would have patted him on his head and let him go - he admittedclaimed as much. This whole thing is just an ego trip for an impotent ruler trying to keep his hold on the kingdom, and it doesn't hurt him that the NFL has stayed in the limelight even after the Super Bowl.
I wonder how those guaranteed numbers actually look because it seems a lot less than I was expecting. All that talk and then end up getting what looks on the face of it less than tannehill.
Eh, if you're looking for a long-term dynasty or similar as a QB, you won't get a max contract as it means your team can't afford people at other positions.
It still hampers the hawks ability to resign people. And Chancelor is holding out because of course he is. I understand to an extent, but for me and I admit I'm not worth a hundred dollars let alone a million. I'd rather take lesser but good money, and play on a winner, then take Arod money and play on a bottom dweller. Especially in the NFL where you are burning the wicks a both ends, which can be a reason for expecting huge money, but also a reason to want to play on a team less likely to give you mrsa.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Given how precarious and short their careers are, I don't blame these guys for trying to squeeze whatever they can out of the team. The team is absolutely looking to save any dime they can from each player.
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Guys, I beat the system.
You have been suspended 2 games because, in your words: “I said that Joe Flacco wasn't elite”
USA Today, the most milquetoast publication in the world:
Venue of upcoming legal battle could impact Tom Brady's fate in 2015
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Regardless of whether Brady is guilty or not
Gotta agree there
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You have been suspended 7 games because, in your words: “I'd draft Steve Young over Joe Montana if building an all-time 49ers team.”
Damn....
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Roger Goodell has carefully mulled this over, because he wants to make it right.
You have been suspended 7 games because, in your words: “I still believe in Geno Smith.”
I can't even disagree with that one.
http://www.metro.us/sports/patriots-cheaters-looks-up/zsJogD---bDJLBiox274mA/
"Sports fans are not stupid"
Not sure they're backing that statement up with their actions
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Sports fans are crazy, illogical creatures that are akin to religious fanatics; some are more like zealots.
So why continue to act like this? Because REASONS!
Four he would normally have four, and a thumb. But we'll save the thumb finger distinction for the advanced course giants.
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From my understanding they provided all the lists and said "which ones do you want to see?" and the NFL said "eehhhhh, we'll get back to you" and never did.
Harder to remember though.
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Aka not a homer Boston paper
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DeflateGate’s real issue: Due process
"You can have text headers and we will help you reconstruct the conversations" is not the same as "we gave them the relevant texts" and it's the second thing they didn't do and it's the second ting that is at issue and then Brady went and destroyed a phone he should have known he might need on appeal. Which basically means we get to assume it was incriminating
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I wonder how those guaranteed numbers actually look because it seems a lot less than I was expecting. All that talk and then end up getting what looks on the face of it less than tannehill.
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