So, NASA just released this incredibly cool dataset that provides year by year climate projections for 15 sq mile spatial resolution, that is incredible:
On a related note, I'm really interested in learning about other kinds of projections, and not just the climate. Like, are there any good, measured resources out there that tell us what to expect and on what time scales. I'm thinking something along the lines of a book that might say things like:
In the next 5 years, storms will get worse
In 10 years, the American southwest will run out of water, refugees will move to the north.
In 15 years we expect widespread famine in Africa and a major refugee situation.
Stuff like that. Practical projections that will give us some idea about what to expect, and on what timescale.
Mad Max: Fury Road and Waterworld should be your go to studies.
Seriously, there must be something out there, does anyone know of any resources, or is everyone's predictions just random wild guesses?
There's more than a few directions we could be going with the impending destabilization and uprooting of the US population. If conservative forces get their way a future like Mad Max is entirely within the realm of possibility. On the other hand, if progressive forces get their way, we could use this as an opportunity to fundamentally reshape and reengineer how we live, work, and play. Full on socialism might be the only way of bringing this country through the impending crisis as one nation.
I would advise keeping yourself flexible. Don't invest in things that are going to be swept away by sand or storm. Hone what skills you possess and be prepared for everything to go sideways. I'm not saying go full prepper, but now might not be a good time to be investing in real estate
My only comfort is that this country has always stood up when things were at their worst. Sure, we may let things get way out of control before that happens, but in the end, Uncle Sam steps in and makes it right. I have confidence in the federal bureaucracy to get us through this.
That_GuyI don't wanna be that guyRegistered Userregular
In much more depressing news (if that's even possible considering the tone of this thread) more scientists confirm we have entered the 6th and by far the worst, mass extinction event in the planet's history. At no point in the entire geological history of earth have so many species gone extinct in such a short period of time. The KT even took millions of years to wipe out the dinosaurs and that had a giant asteroid and global volcanic eruptions.
Elephants aren't going extinct anytime soon. There are plenty in captivity to keep the species alive. Extinction in the wild, though...
Captivity is no guarantee of safety, especially when ivory fetches such a high price
Yes, because all those zookeepers out there who love their animals are going to kill off their elephants to get a quick buck. Don't be a goose. Things are getting bad but you're just being ridiculous and that's not helping. It just makes people give up so they can wallow in their depression. We already have too many people who seem to be gloating about how everything is hopeless so they can feel free to do nothing and watch the world burn in their smugness.
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Captain Marcusnow arrives the hour of actionRegistered Userregular
We could farm the elephants. The PRC farms tigers for that sweet sweet traditional medicine.
New Mexico and Texas are humid as fuck right now. We've got rivers washing, washes filling, and new growth everywhere. Either our monsoons came early and hard, or we're going to have swampland in what used to be high desert.
It brings to mind "California Bay".
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HacksawJ. Duggan Esq.Wrestler at LawRegistered Userregular
Elephants aren't going extinct anytime soon. There are plenty in captivity to keep the species alive. Extinction in the wild, though...
Captivity is no guarantee of safety, especially when ivory fetches such a high price
Yes, because all those zookeepers out there who love their animals are going to kill off their elephants to get a quick buck.
I wouldn't put it past them, honestly.
But then I'm mostly thinking of wildlife keepers in African nature preserves. Y'know, the same ones ostensibly charged with keeping safe the world's population of rhinos. Look at what a good job they did with the black rhino!
Besides, keeping animals alive in captivity but extinct in the wild isn't the answer to rampant poaching and black market chicanery in Asia; pushing for better enforcement of environmental protection policies, on the other hand, might just be.
But then I'm mostly thinking of wildlife keepers in African nature preserves. Y'know, the same ones ostensibly charged with keeping safe the world's population of rhinos. Look at what a good job they did with the black rhino!
Because this is literally what they have to do to protect the animal, you goose. Armed guards on the cardinal directions keeping watch 24/7 or this animal will be killed, and this is only feasible because it's the last one. These are solitary creatures so you'd need 4 guards per animal, which I'd hope you wouldn't think is feasible in anyway before it got this bad.
After all that, I'm positive that rhino will still end up poached anyway because there is no such thing as a perfect defense, and greed from poachers means they are willing to do anything to get to the rhino.
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HacksawJ. Duggan Esq.Wrestler at LawRegistered Userregular
Yup. And once they get the ones in the wild, they'll start turning to captive rhinos next. I guarantee you.
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HacksawJ. Duggan Esq.Wrestler at LawRegistered Userregular
Personally, I blame Asia. Buncha goddamn nonsense "traditional medicine" what's eating them all up. It's disgusting.
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New Mexico and Texas are humid as fuck right now. We've got rivers washing, washes filling, and new growth everywhere. Either our monsoons came early and hard, or we're going to have swampland in what used to be high desert.
It brings to mind "California Bay".
Yeah, it's ridic out here in Oklahoma. I've never seen this place so green this far into summer, usually the spring rains effects die off by early June and we're left with a yellow/brown brushscape until the fall rains.
But then I'm mostly thinking of wildlife keepers in African nature preserves. Y'know, the same ones ostensibly charged with keeping safe the world's population of rhinos. Look at what a good job they did with the black rhino!
Because this is literally what they have to do to protect the animal, you goose. Armed guards on the cardinal directions keeping watch 24/7 or this animal will be killed, and this is only feasible because it's the last one. These are solitary creatures so you'd need 4 guards per animal, which I'd hope you wouldn't think is feasible in anyway before it got this bad.
After all that, I'm positive that rhino will still end up poached anyway because there is no such thing as a perfect defense, and greed from poachers means they are willing to do anything to get to the rhino.
Also something like 2,000 African park rangers have been killed by poachers over the last 7 years.
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Though, as mentioned, it remains to be seen how effective this strategy will be. But at least people are trying.
I saw that on reddit this weekend. It was an interesting read. It's supposed to be chemically and spectro graphically identical to the real thing. Flooding the market with fake rhino horn is brilliant.
New Mexico and Texas are humid as fuck right now. We've got rivers washing, washes filling, and new growth everywhere. Either our monsoons came early and hard, or we're going to have swampland in what used to be high desert.
New Mexico and Texas are humid as fuck right now. We've got rivers washing, washes filling, and new growth everywhere. Either our monsoons came early and hard, or we're going to have swampland in what used to be high desert.
Though, as mentioned, it remains to be seen how effective this strategy will be. But at least people are trying.
I saw that on reddit this weekend. It was an interesting read. It's supposed to be chemically and spectro graphically identical to the real thing. Flooding the market with fake rhino horn is brilliant.
Artificial rhino horn substitute.
Also, seeing your avatar in conjunction with this discussion makes me think of the Human Horn episode of Futurama.
The most disgusting thing about the ivory trade is that they're basically causing extinctions of species to maintain placebo. If there was any real medicinal effect to ivory, wouldn't walruses be in dire straits in South America?
The most disgusting thing about the ivory trade is that they're basically causing extinctions of species to maintain placebo. If there was any real medicinal effect to ivory, wouldn't walruses be in dire straits in South America?
There would be a lot more muggings involving dental pliers and the tooth fairy wouldn't be so stingy if ivory did anything.
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The most disgusting thing about the ivory trade is that they're basically causing extinctions of species to maintain placebo. If there was any real medicinal effect to ivory, wouldn't walruses be in dire straits in South America?
The most disgusting thing about the ivory trade is that they're basically causing extinctions of species to maintain placebo. If there was any real medicinal effect to ivory, wouldn't walruses be in dire straits in South America?
That and animals do not live as long in captivity.
I don't know about sea creatures but land animals live as long, and usually longer, in captivity. Even if you adjust the wild animals, and discount the ones that die before becoming adults, they generally don't live as long. You don't die of predators, natural disasters, ect. in captivity. You also don't die of old age much in the wild.
This is counting proper modern facilities only. Poorly kept animals will not do nearly as well.
The most disgusting thing about the ivory trade is that they're basically causing extinctions of species to maintain placebo. If there was any real medicinal effect to ivory, wouldn't walruses be in dire straits in South America?
The most disgusting thing about the ivory trade is that they're basically causing extinctions of species to maintain placebo. If there was any real medicinal effect to ivory, wouldn't walruses be in dire straits in South America?
At least that's a reasonable use, to me, vs magical make believe feel good powder.
My understanding is that shark fin soup is flavoured with pork or chicken broth, since shark fins don't actually taste much of anything.
The saddest part is I've eaten (and prepared) shark steak, and it's delicious (and since it's cartilaginous, no tiny little fish bones, either), yet the fishers just cut off the worst part of the animal (the fin) and toss the rest overboard to die.
I think the best thing to be done for the conservation of sharks would be to eat shark steak (and never order shark fin soup); that way, the price of shark meat will go up and shark fins down, and it'll become economically viable to fill the hold of your fishing boat with (relatively few) whole sharks rather than shark fins from an ocean's worth of sharks.
Sic transit gloria mundi.
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Demented torture-lover and poster-boy for anglo-saxon regressives and islamophobic know-it-alls, Mark Steyn, is facing a defamation suit because he has explicitly said Michael Mann (discoverer of the hockey-stick) is to climate science what Jerry Sandusky is to kids (because calling scientists frauds is one way to maliciously hurt their livelihoods). Now the rust-colored douchenozzle is distributing bookmarks advertising a new book that is entirely devoted to calling Mann a disgrace to the profession.
New Mexico and Texas are humid as fuck right now. We've got rivers washing, washes filling, and new growth everywhere. Either our monsoons came early and hard, or we're going to have swampland in what used to be high desert.
It brings to mind "California Bay".
It's gross to see the Sandia Mountains in the morning with a haze of humidity. It's interesting to see in the flood control areas a lot of fast growth in trees and bushes. Some of those trees are less than 5 years old and are 30 feet high.
Now if you go 40 or 50 miles south of ABQ it's turning into a desert.
But the thing I am getting really annoyed at people around here don't understand a hard rain of 3" or more in a hour is sure to ruin the area. We had hurricane strength rainfall twice last summer and it tore up streets they are only getting around to fixing.
We are getting hawks, skunks the usual coyote pack and now cougars out as far as where I live.
We are getting birds I have never seen before like swallows hanging around.
I am really curious in a 5 to 10 more years what this area will be since it's not really a high desert anymore.
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There's more than a few directions we could be going with the impending destabilization and uprooting of the US population. If conservative forces get their way a future like Mad Max is entirely within the realm of possibility. On the other hand, if progressive forces get their way, we could use this as an opportunity to fundamentally reshape and reengineer how we live, work, and play. Full on socialism might be the only way of bringing this country through the impending crisis as one nation.
I would advise keeping yourself flexible. Don't invest in things that are going to be swept away by sand or storm. Hone what skills you possess and be prepared for everything to go sideways. I'm not saying go full prepper, but now might not be a good time to be investing in real estate
My only comfort is that this country has always stood up when things were at their worst. Sure, we may let things get way out of control before that happens, but in the end, Uncle Sam steps in and makes it right. I have confidence in the federal bureaucracy to get us through this.
https://theconversation.com/earths-sixth-mass-extinction-has-begun-new-study-confirms-43432
Yes, because all those zookeepers out there who love their animals are going to kill off their elephants to get a quick buck. Don't be a goose. Things are getting bad but you're just being ridiculous and that's not helping. It just makes people give up so they can wallow in their depression. We already have too many people who seem to be gloating about how everything is hopeless so they can feel free to do nothing and watch the world burn in their smugness.
Which is fucking retarded, by the way. Rhinos don't even live in China, so how the hell do they justify using rhino horn in traditional medicine? It's insane.
Trade?
The Silk Road has been a thing for a really long time.
Like saying the Pledge of Allegiance in school or Santa Claus or boys wearing blue and girls wearing pink.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
If only those cynobacteria had switch to aerobic technologies earlier, it could have all been avoided.
It brings to mind "California Bay".
I wouldn't put it past them, honestly.
But then I'm mostly thinking of wildlife keepers in African nature preserves. Y'know, the same ones ostensibly charged with keeping safe the world's population of rhinos. Look at what a good job they did with the black rhino!
Besides, keeping animals alive in captivity but extinct in the wild isn't the answer to rampant poaching and black market chicanery in Asia; pushing for better enforcement of environmental protection policies, on the other hand, might just be.
Because this is literally what they have to do to protect the animal, you goose. Armed guards on the cardinal directions keeping watch 24/7 or this animal will be killed, and this is only feasible because it's the last one. These are solitary creatures so you'd need 4 guards per animal, which I'd hope you wouldn't think is feasible in anyway before it got this bad.
After all that, I'm positive that rhino will still end up poached anyway because there is no such thing as a perfect defense, and greed from poachers means they are willing to do anything to get to the rhino.
Yeah, it's ridic out here in Oklahoma. I've never seen this place so green this far into summer, usually the spring rains effects die off by early June and we're left with a yellow/brown brushscape until the fall rains.
Biotech firm creates fake rhino horn to reduce poaching.
Though, as mentioned, it remains to be seen how effective this strategy will be. But at least people are trying.
if the market is absolutely flooded I think it very well might
of course we could also allow commercial rhino horn farms to be legal, as they can be safely harvested
Also something like 2,000 African park rangers have been killed by poachers over the last 7 years.
I saw that on reddit this weekend. It was an interesting read. It's supposed to be chemically and spectro graphically identical to the real thing. Flooding the market with fake rhino horn is brilliant.
Ehh... That's really more weather than climate.
Don't you mean "Arizona Bay"?
Artificial rhino horn substitute.
Also, seeing your avatar in conjunction with this discussion makes me think of the Human Horn episode of Futurama.
Rhino horns aren't ivory though. They're completely keratin.
Then why in the hell does anyone want them? I will sell any of you guys my fingernail and toenail clippings for an entire year for $100.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/17/eastern-cougar-extinct-no-longer-needs-protection-says-us-conservation-agency
Had one in my campsite in 1996
Probably part of a release program though
I've never been so scared in my life
This was on grandfather mountain in North Carolina
I don't know about sea creatures but land animals live as long, and usually longer, in captivity. Even if you adjust the wild animals, and discount the ones that die before becoming adults, they generally don't live as long. You don't die of predators, natural disasters, ect. in captivity. You also don't die of old age much in the wild.
This is counting proper modern facilities only. Poorly kept animals will not do nearly as well.
Same reason people want herbal supplements and homeopathy to work.
Because it's a "traditional" medicinal ingredient in places like China and Vietnam. Y'know, like bear bile.
EDIT: And don't even get me started on shark fin soup. We'll be here all day.
EDIT- It turns out their beans need to be shat out of Civet Cats who consume the beans. The coffee is a product of animal cruelty.
At least that's a reasonable use, to me, vs magical make believe feel good powder.
My understanding is that shark fin soup is flavoured with pork or chicken broth, since shark fins don't actually taste much of anything.
The saddest part is I've eaten (and prepared) shark steak, and it's delicious (and since it's cartilaginous, no tiny little fish bones, either), yet the fishers just cut off the worst part of the animal (the fin) and toss the rest overboard to die.
I think the best thing to be done for the conservation of sharks would be to eat shark steak (and never order shark fin soup); that way, the price of shark meat will go up and shark fins down, and it'll become economically viable to fill the hold of your fishing boat with (relatively few) whole sharks rather than shark fins from an ocean's worth of sharks.
Smooth move, Steyn.
It's gross to see the Sandia Mountains in the morning with a haze of humidity. It's interesting to see in the flood control areas a lot of fast growth in trees and bushes. Some of those trees are less than 5 years old and are 30 feet high.
Now if you go 40 or 50 miles south of ABQ it's turning into a desert.
But the thing I am getting really annoyed at people around here don't understand a hard rain of 3" or more in a hour is sure to ruin the area. We had hurricane strength rainfall twice last summer and it tore up streets they are only getting around to fixing.
We are getting hawks, skunks the usual coyote pack and now cougars out as far as where I live.
We are getting birds I have never seen before like swallows hanging around.
I am really curious in a 5 to 10 more years what this area will be since it's not really a high desert anymore.