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Networking woes!

Bob The MonkeyBob The Monkey Registered User regular
edited April 2007 in Games and Technology
Update:

OK, I've got the torrents working. Unfortunately, I now have a recurring networking problem plaguing the link between my computer and the router.

Occasionally I'll lose all connection to the network, and the network icon in the taskbar will switch to the "Limited Connectivity" icon. There seems to be no way to repair this (Vista's built in diagnose/repair utility does nothing, just suggests a lot of useless things) other than restarting the computer entirely. If you disconnect from the network, Windows says it can't find any networks at all. Excellent.

Now, I know the problem is between my computer and the router, rather than the router and the internet, because I can't do any other network related activity when it happens. Buggery.


Now, I genuinely can't remember if this had happened at all before last night, but I'm certain it hadn't happened with this regularity. I've changed these things recently which could have caused it:

1) Set up my computer to have a static IP on the network.

2) Switched my Bittorrent client to uTorrent.

3) ???. I genuinely can't think of anything else I've fiddled with.


So help me, G&T, you're my only hope!

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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I am staring at several crippled torrents right now myself, but just a checklist of basic things:

    -are ports opened on the router?
    -are you using those ports?
    -ie, are you set to a static address on your network?
    -are you encrypting? uTorrent should do this automatically or at least make it really easy to turn on.

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    rayofashrayofash Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Use uTorrent, and make sure you have your ports open and forwarded.

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    LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    What torrent client are you using? if it's not utorrent I suggest you remedy that first.

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    CarnivoreCarnivore Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Maybe your ISP shapes your bandwidth. Its quite easy for them to limit or even prevent torrent traffic.

    If it is the case, there is nothing you can do except try utorrent and all its encryption jazz.

    Ring em and find out, Ive found they are quite proud to admit if they are as for regular users its under some bullshit fair usage policy.

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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    At least you -can- torrent.

    *hates his college network*

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    QuintileQuintile Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    A lot of major ISP's shape torrents to stop you from using them. In Ontario, Rogers is a big offender, as they'll make it so you can't upload at all, and that results in you downloading at around 5k/sec instead of the 800k/sec you should be.

    I recently canceled my Rogers service, emailed all the local ISPs questions about their torrent policies, and signed up for Start.ca, which has no restrictions, and 5mbps service, and voila, torrents are back to going great speeds.

    So the first step would be to find out if your ISP is stopping it. Just search google with your ISP's name and the word torrent and you'll see if people are bitching about it.

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    Recoil42Recoil42 Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Yep, as mentioned, almost with 100% certainty, your ISP is shaping your bandwidth.

    As quintile noted, Rogers is a particular offender, at my parent's place I too get only 1k/s *at best* on even the most well seeded torrents.

    The only solution is to switch, or use utorrent and azureus's encryption mode.

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    BigDesBigDes Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Bob are you using BT for your ISP? Cause they tend to slow you down after a while if you've been torrenting a lot.

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    Bob The MonkeyBob The Monkey Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Changes made:

    -My ports have been forwarded. I never realised this was so important, whoops.
    -Client changed from BitTornado to uTorrent. I can't remember why I ever stopped using uTorrent, but it also seems to be helping a lot. It's also nice that it links you to lots of nice websites with details for setting up your browser, and it comes with utilities to test if your ports are properly forwarded. Nice!

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    arcatharcath Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I love the fact that that im on a torrent with over 600 seeds, my ratio is at 1.12 and im stuck at 99.9% with one file at 45.4 of 48mb.

    yeah, im on utorrent, and my ports are forwarded correctly. this is like the 3rd or 4th time this has happened recently. and its really pissing me off.

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    ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    What's worse is when you have files that complete really fast then refuse to seed at all, destroying your ratio

    (I'm looking at you, PureTnA)

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    EdcrabEdcrab Actually a hack Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Personally, I really don't like torrents. The technology seems designed to anger and infuriate me in a way that even download resumers couldn't manage when I was on dialup.

    But yeah, fiddling with encryption options is your best bet. Or try leaving it running overnight and seeing if you get any decent progress.

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    RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 2007
    the only problem I ever have with torrenting is that it absolutely destroys anybody else's connection on the network. I've got up to 10Mb/s connection, and even if I'm only downloading at 50kb/s, everyone else's internet connection slows to a fucking crawl. I'm using uTorrent, anyone have any idea what might cause this?

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    It's like plumbing, when you flush the toilet the person in the shower gets a blast of cold water

    or maybe it's like a truck

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    ShapeshifterShapeshifter Pants Optioanl Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    It's like plumbing, when you flush the toilet the person in the shower gets a blast of cold water

    or maybe it's like a truck

    a Truck driving in your plumbing, stop flushing dinky cars in the toilet. (now apply that to the internet)

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    FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2007
    Unfortunately, if there's too many seeders, your ratio gets messed up and everyone else's client throttles you.

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    JWFokkerJWFokker Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Try switching which ports you're using to something not commonly used for P2P. I use the 55xxx range as it's unused by anything at all.

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    imundercoverimundercover Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    arcath wrote: »
    I love the fact that that im on a torrent with over 600 seeds, my ratio is at 1.12 and im stuck at 99.9% with one file at 45.4 of 48mb.

    yeah, im on utorrent, and my ports are forwarded correctly. this is like the 3rd or 4th time this has happened recently. and its really pissing me off.

    You're downloading fake RIAA/MPAA files.

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    Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    ben0207 wrote: »
    What's worse is when you have files that complete really fast then refuse to seed at all, destroying your ratio

    (I'm looking at you, PureTnA)

    That happens? I don't even notice. At least my ratio there is well over 1 and I don't even pay attention to it at all.

    OH NO I ADMITTED TO DOWNLOADING PORNS ON THE INTERNETS!

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    FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    arcath wrote: »
    I love the fact that that im on a torrent with over 600 seeds, my ratio is at 1.12 and im stuck at 99.9% with one file at 45.4 of 48mb.

    yeah, im on utorrent, and my ports are forwarded correctly. this is like the 3rd or 4th time this has happened recently. and its really pissing me off.

    You're downloading fake RIAA/MPAA files.
    They are also known to leap on torrents with a low amount of seeders to prevent anyone else from connecting.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    seriously? that's pretty bizarre

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    ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    ben0207 wrote: »
    What's worse is when you have files that complete really fast then refuse to seed at all, destroying your ratio

    (I'm looking at you, PureTnA)

    That happens? I don't even notice. At least my ratio there is well over 1 and I don't even pay attention to it at all.

    OH NO I ADMITTED TO DOWNLOADING PORNS ON THE INTERNETS!
    :oops:

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    WrenWren ninja_bird Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    its because you're downloading illegal child porngraphy and the FBI is capping your speed so they can catch up to you before you watch + delete it

    you sicko

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    The CheeseThe Cheese Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    ben0207 wrote: »
    What's worse is when you have files that complete really fast then refuse to seed at all, destroying your ratio

    (I'm looking at you, PureTnA)

    That happens? I don't even notice. At least my ratio there is well over 1 and I don't even pay attention to it at all.

    OH NO I ADMITTED TO DOWNLOADING PORNS ON THE INTERNETS!

    It happens when there are too many seeders and not enough downloaders. So if you hop on something when there are 800 seeders and nobody wants the damn thing anymore, you have nobody to seed to, and when you do have somebody to seed to, there are 800 other people seeding as well. That's no problem on public torrents since ratio doesn't matter, but on private sites it screws the whole thing up which is why many sites have rules against overseeding. The best thing you can do for the community is hold a 1.0 ratio.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    ben0207 wrote: »
    ben0207 wrote: »
    What's worse is when you have files that complete really fast then refuse to seed at all, destroying your ratio

    (I'm looking at you, PureTnA)

    That happens? I don't even notice. At least my ratio there is well over 1 and I don't even pay attention to it at all.

    OH NO I ADMITTED TO DOWNLOADING PORNS ON THE INTERNETS!
    :oops:

    You counteract that by seeding popular torrents for a good period of time. Or only doing that with smaller files and sharing the larger files to at least a 1.0 ratio.

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    RCars2RCars2 Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    the only problem I ever have with torrenting is that it absolutely destroys anybody else's connection on the network. I've got up to 10Mb/s connection, and even if I'm only downloading at 50kb/s, everyone else's internet connection slows to a fucking crawl. I'm using uTorrent, anyone have any idea what might cause this?

    I had the same issue with utorrent. Apparently its a common issue with utorrent. They claimed to have fixed it with the latest revison but i still have the same issue. I switched back to azeurus and i havent had issues since but i dislike azeurus becuase its such a memory hog (thanks JRE). I've had some limited experience with ABCtorrent and others and it seems alright with those too so i say experiment around till ya find a client that works best for ya.

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    The CheeseThe Cheese Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    RCars2 wrote: »
    the only problem I ever have with torrenting is that it absolutely destroys anybody else's connection on the network. I've got up to 10Mb/s connection, and even if I'm only downloading at 50kb/s, everyone else's internet connection slows to a fucking crawl. I'm using uTorrent, anyone have any idea what might cause this?

    I had the same issue with utorrent. Apparently its a common issue with utorrent. They claimed to have fixed it with the latest revison but i still have the same issue. I switched back to azeurus and i havent had issues since but i dislike azeurus becuase its such a memory hog (thanks JRE). I've had some limited experience with ABCtorrent and others and it seems alright with those too so i say experiment around till ya find a client that works best for ya.
    Are you choking your upload speed? If you let it max out it will choke your connection.

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    ZephosZephos Climbin in yo ski lifts, snatchin your people up. MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    arcath wrote: »
    I love the fact that that im on a torrent with over 600 seeds, my ratio is at 1.12 and im stuck at 99.9% with one file at 45.4 of 48mb.

    yeah, im on utorrent, and my ports are forwarded correctly. this is like the 3rd or 4th time this has happened recently. and its really pissing me off.

    actually if your problem is just failing the hash check, your router may have you in a DMZ.

    i had this once, took my PC out of the DMZ, bam, i had like 3 or 4 at 99.9, all finished in the next 10 seconds.

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    khainkhain Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Not limiting your upload is a common problem and will slow down your internet to a crawl.

    Also recent events about privacy with both Azureus and utorrent have some people using different clients now.

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    FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    khain wrote: »
    Also recent events about privacy with both Azureus and utorrent have some people using different clients now.
    ?

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    WrenWren ninja_bird Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    utorrent is like, 5kb. what could be in it that can do any harm?

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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Wren wrote: »
    utorrent is like, 5kb. what could be in it that can do any harm?

    Satan.

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    The_SpaniardThe_Spaniard It's never lupines Irvine, CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Does Charter just fuck with torrenters? Somtimes I'll torrent a TV show or something to watch at work and my entire connection drops out over and over again. It works fine all the time till the second I try to use any bit torrent program connection is flakier than a nerds skin on vacation. Same thing happens with a local friend that uses Charter and he is convinced that they do it on purpose to dissuade torrenters.

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    Bob The MonkeyBob The Monkey Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    First post updated to reflect new, exciting problem!

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    PatboyXPatboyX Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I actually had this problem forever.
    I had to limit speed...or the number of torrents. None of this helped absolutely. There were tons of websites with tips when I googled my router number, modem type and torrent.
    I switched ISPs about 7 months ago and have not had the problem since.

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    Bob The MonkeyBob The Monkey Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    PatboyX wrote: »
    I actually had this problem forever.
    I had to limit speed...or the number of torrents. None of this helped absolutely. There were tons of websites with tips when I googled my router number, modem type and torrent.
    I switched ISPs about 7 months ago and have not had the problem since.

    The network disconnect problem, or the torrent limiting problem?

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    PatboyXPatboyX Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Network disconnect. Constantly dropping me and everyone else off the network as long as Torrent Client was up.

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    Bob The MonkeyBob The Monkey Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    God, I hadn't even considered uTorrent as a reason for my problems. How does that even work?

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    PatboyXPatboyX Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    God, I hadn't even considered uTorrent as a reason for my problems. How does that even work?

    When I had this problem, the program I was using had a TON of available information from them and elsewhere online on what to do with certain configurations leading to this problem. I mean, it seems like you already got the port forwarding done - which always seemed like the trickiest thing - so I'd check their resources for any info.

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    BrekiBreki Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I had a similar problem with an old netgear router of mine; every time i had a torrent up and running, it would randomly disconnect me from ICQ, MSN, IRC, World of Warcraft, DC++ or whatever else was running at the time. I finally fixed it by limiting the amount of connections allowed in the torrent client, figuring that the Netgear router simply choked on the amount of simultaneous connections. Didn't have any problems after that.

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