Writer at a local Cola paper just put up an article about what it would actually take, legal-wise, to take the flag down. Essentially, it would require a 2/3rd vote by both the House and Senate due to the Heritage Act passed in 2000.
They could — but it would require a two-thirds vote of both the House and Senate. As Free Times’ Chris Trainor detailed in a story earlier this year, the Heritage Act, passed in 2000, prevents removing the flag, among other symbols of state history.
Trainor’s story involved the efforts of Greenwood, South Carolina, to remove a monument that segregates “white” and “colored” soldiers in listings the names of the dead in the first two World Wars — and effort that’s been stymied by the Heritage Act. A group of veterans has sued the state over the law, saying it “tramples on local control” and impedes free speech.
The law reads, “No Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Mexican War, War Between the States, Spanish-American War, World War I, World War II, Korean War, Vietnam War, Persian Gulf War, Native American, or African-American History monuments or memorials erected on public property of the State or any of its political subdivisions may be relocated, removed, disturbed, or altered.”
See? This is the bullshit we're dealing with here.
Writer at a local Cola paper just put up an article about what it would actually take, legal-wise, to take the flag down. Essentially, it would require a 2/3rd vote by both the House and Senate due to the Heritage Act passed in 2000.
They could — but it would require a two-thirds vote of both the House and Senate. As Free Times’ Chris Trainor detailed in a story earlier this year, the Heritage Act, passed in 2000, prevents removing the flag, among other symbols of state history.
Trainor’s story involved the efforts of Greenwood, South Carolina, to remove a monument that segregates “white” and “colored” soldiers in listings the names of the dead in the first two World Wars — and effort that’s been stymied by the Heritage Act. A group of veterans has sued the state over the law, saying it “tramples on local control” and impedes free speech.
The law reads, “No Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Mexican War, War Between the States, Spanish-American War, World War I, World War II, Korean War, Vietnam War, Persian Gulf War, Native American, or African-American History monuments or memorials erected on public property of the State or any of its political subdivisions may be relocated, removed, disturbed, or altered.”
See? This is the bullshit we're dealing with here.
"Guns don't kill people, hatred does. This man's hatred of other human beings is the cause of this tragedy and the NRA condemns his actions and prays for the families of the victims."
I'm watching the court hearing, and the families of the victims are speaking and forgiving the fucker and now I'm sitting here at my desk crying. Just god damn it all.
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"Guns don't kill people, hatred does. This man's hatred of other human beings is the cause of this tragedy and the NRA condemns his actions and prays for the families of the victims."
I'm watching the court hearing, and the families of the victims are speaking and forgiving the fucker and now I'm sitting here at my desk crying. Just god damn it all.
I made the mistake of watching a stream with chat
people talking about how he looks like just a kid and a baby and doesn't he have a mom and he looks so sad
i fucking love that that bill calls it the war between the states and not the civil war
At least it's not the "War of Northern Aggression".
That would be the war of 1812
dang canucks
Dude you attacked us.
I SAID
DANG
CANUCKS
There's a pretty cool diorama at the Ottawa war museum of US soldiers being all AAH FUCK SNOW AND THIS GUERILLA SHIT while Canadian soldiers are gunning them down from atop hastily built barricades in Quebec City's narrow streets.
i fucking love that that bill calls it the war between the states and not the civil war
At least it's not the "War of Northern Aggression".
That would be the war of 1812
dang canucks
Dude you attacked us.
I SAID
DANG
CANUCKS
There's a pretty cool diorama at the Ottawa war museum of US soldiers being all AAH FUCK SNOW AND THIS GUERILLA SHIT while Canadian soldiers are gunning them down from atop hastily built barricades in Quebec City's narrow streets.
I'm watching the court hearing, and the families of the victims are speaking and forgiving the fucker and now I'm sitting here at my desk crying. Just god damn it all.
I made the mistake of watching a stream with chat
people talking about how he looks like just a kid and a baby and doesn't he have a mom and he looks so sad
fuck off
I don't know how you can look at that guy and not want to shake him so hard his fillings come out.
Huff huff. Did someone say War of 1812? Why yes I am an expert on that particular conflict.
Why did anyone think it was gonna be easy to take Quebec City by land?
I mean, the British took it by sea 50 years before that sure, but 1) they came by sea, 2) they were fighting against the French who were severely undermanned, 3) the British took it during the summer, the Americans attacked in the winter, 4) the British were now the ones defending the city, 5) the British had built a citadel in the city in the meantime (which they didn't even need it turns out).
The citadel is still an active army base btw! It's pretty dang cool, I visited it. It's all built like Helm's Deep or something, all these big ditches, it's star-shaped just like the ones in Civ 5.
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Huff huff. Did someone say War of 1812? Why yes I am an expert on that particular conflict.
Why did anyone think it was gonna be easy to take Quebec City by land?
I mean, the British took it by sea 50 years before that sure, but 1) they came by sea, 2) they were fighting against the French who were severely undermanned, 3) the British took it during the summer, the Americans attacked in the winter, 4) the British were now the ones defending the city, 5) the British had built a citadel in the city in the meantime (which they didn't even need it turns out).
The citadel is still an active army base btw! It's pretty dang cool, I visited it. It's all built like Helm's Deep or something, all these big ditches, it's star-shaped just like the ones in Civ 5.
A lot of American "Generals" in the war were just territorial governors with zero military experience who thought it was a good idea. The US Army was very small and all of the good seniors officers tended to lead from the front and get killed. Zebulon Pike, of Pike's Peak, for instance.
Hell. Our militia was useless. Someone would lead a crossing into Canada with a limited Army infantry force backed up by militia, but then the militia would refuse to cross the border. They wouldn't mention this until the Army had already crossed and were under fire, mind you.
You have instances like Bladensburg where the militia just fucking runs for it the second the British army engages, and the tiny group of US Marines who were trying to organize them just had no way to stop the route.
Canada did a very good job in that war. Though the big stand out battle, Chippewa, proved that the US army could stand and fight a totally even battle on flat terrain against British Regulars, who were the best infantry in the world at the time. Big morale boost for us.
Oh my god is this thread still doing this? Guess what, the confederate flag and the controversy surrounding South Carolina's use of it isn't, in the bigger scheme of things, important. It's just an highly visible, easy to latch on to, symbol of much bigger problems. Sure, if I see someone proudly wearing confederate memorabilia at best I'm going to think them a fool. But honestly, I don't really care if South Carolina chooses to fly on top of, or around, their government buildings. I don't have time to care about something that trivial. And it is trivial, when compared to the systematic problems of inequality in the justice system, in politics, in economic opportunity, etc.
It's something I'm upset about but it isn't something I'm going to direct energy towards changing. Not when black people are slaughtered in churches, or are presumed guilty until proven innocent, or are locked to rot in jail on unreasonable bond until their lives are ruined. Not when they have a disproportionally small voice in the societal dialogue. I just... there's only so much a person can realistically do and I think it's important to think about how and where you're directing your anger. Get South Carolina's state legislature to pass some some goddamned hate crime laws before you try and get them to lower a damn piece of fabric, for Pete's sake.
Oh my god is this thread still doing this? Guess what, the confederate flag and the controversy surrounding South Carolina's use of it isn't, in the bigger scheme of things, important. It's just an highly visible, easy to latch on to, symbol of much bigger problems. Sure, if I see someone proudly wearing confederate memorabilia at best I'm going to think them a fool. But honestly, I don't really care if South Carolina chooses to fly on top of, or around, their government buildings. I don't have time to care about something that trivial. And it is trivial, when compared to the systematic problems of inequality in the justice system, in politics, in economic opportunity, etc.
It's something I'm upset about but it isn't something I'm going to direct energy towards changing. Not when black people are slaughtered in churches, or are presumed guilty until proven innocent, or are locked to rot in jail on unreasonable bond until their lives are ruined. Not when they have a disproportionally small voice in the societal dialogue. I just... there's only so much a person can realistically do and I think it's important to think about how and where you're directing your anger. Get South Carolina's state legislature to pass some some goddamned hate crime laws before you try and get them to lower a damn piece of fabric, for Pete's sake.
The flag still flying is one piece of the giant puzzle, but the fact that it's still there is a symbol that shows that racists still have influence and power at the highest levels.
Chipping away at that power helps. Clearly it's not the only step to fixing the problem but it's such an easy and obvious first one.
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I didn't
I am in my office just kind of peaking
But, y'know, with an added bit of "hey I hope I see the horrible murderer".
Gawking at the gawkers. So meta...
See? This is the bullshit we're dealing with here.
At least it's not the "War of Northern Aggression".
But mah heritage!
That would be the war of 1812
dang canucks
Fuck the NRA.
Dude you attacked us.
the statement writes itself.
"Guns don't kill people, hatred does. This man's hatred of other human beings is the cause of this tragedy and the NRA condemns his actions and prays for the families of the victims."
I SAID
DANG
CANUCKS
http://www.theonion.com/article/nra-starts-their-shit-about-what-would-be-even-gre-50706
I made the mistake of watching a stream with chat
people talking about how he looks like just a kid and a baby and doesn't he have a mom and he looks so sad
fuck off
I imagine we ran over the border, guns at the ready, shouting "My god! They're coming right for us!"
There's a pretty cool diorama at the Ottawa war museum of US soldiers being all AAH FUCK SNOW AND THIS GUERILLA SHIT while Canadian soldiers are gunning them down from atop hastily built barricades in Quebec City's narrow streets.
A vicious, aggressive action
I don't know how you can look at that guy and not want to shake him so hard his fillings come out.
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Clearly you had an unfair advantage
Yeah well we took our fucking baseball team back in the end! Suck it, Expos fans!
Much like Russia against Napoleon.
They're Expos fans. They're already sucking it.
And now your teams are playing in our town.
Check, mate.
Huff huff. Did someone say War of 1812? Why yes I am an expert on that particular conflict.
Excellent. None of the books I've read have adequately covered the role ghosts played in the war.
Why did anyone think it was gonna be easy to take Quebec City by land?
I mean, the British took it by sea 50 years before that sure, but 1) they came by sea, 2) they were fighting against the French who were severely undermanned, 3) the British took it during the summer, the Americans attacked in the winter, 4) the British were now the ones defending the city, 5) the British had built a citadel in the city in the meantime (which they didn't even need it turns out).
The citadel is still an active army base btw! It's pretty dang cool, I visited it. It's all built like Helm's Deep or something, all these big ditches, it's star-shaped just like the ones in Civ 5.
A lot of American "Generals" in the war were just territorial governors with zero military experience who thought it was a good idea. The US Army was very small and all of the good seniors officers tended to lead from the front and get killed. Zebulon Pike, of Pike's Peak, for instance.
Hell. Our militia was useless. Someone would lead a crossing into Canada with a limited Army infantry force backed up by militia, but then the militia would refuse to cross the border. They wouldn't mention this until the Army had already crossed and were under fire, mind you.
You have instances like Bladensburg where the militia just fucking runs for it the second the British army engages, and the tiny group of US Marines who were trying to organize them just had no way to stop the route.
Canada did a very good job in that war. Though the big stand out battle, Chippewa, proved that the US army could stand and fight a totally even battle on flat terrain against British Regulars, who were the best infantry in the world at the time. Big morale boost for us.
It's something I'm upset about but it isn't something I'm going to direct energy towards changing. Not when black people are slaughtered in churches, or are presumed guilty until proven innocent, or are locked to rot in jail on unreasonable bond until their lives are ruined. Not when they have a disproportionally small voice in the societal dialogue. I just... there's only so much a person can realistically do and I think it's important to think about how and where you're directing your anger. Get South Carolina's state legislature to pass some some goddamned hate crime laws before you try and get them to lower a damn piece of fabric, for Pete's sake.
The flag still flying is one piece of the giant puzzle, but the fact that it's still there is a symbol that shows that racists still have influence and power at the highest levels.
Chipping away at that power helps. Clearly it's not the only step to fixing the problem but it's such an easy and obvious first one.
what
because gun nuts