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There's literary libertarians too, but I left them out considering the audience....
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I've heard this too, and I recall seeing actual studies to back it up, though I don't have a link handy. The idea is that people feel safer with seatbelts, and so they drive more recklessly. I still recall the upshot being a net positive.
At any rate, seatbelt laws are the perfect poster child for libertarian myopia. To wit, sometimes laws that ostensibly infringe upon your ability to be a smacktard actually serve to protect you from other people's smacktardedness. Few things happen in a vacuum, and when your dumb ass winds up splattered all over the pavement, it's not like you're the only one that's affected. More people are late to work, as the mess takes longer to clean up than it would've if your face hadn't exploded. Resources that could be used on other emergencies are squandered scraping your you-chunks off the back of someone's SUV. Much of the libertarian philosophy presupposes that human interaction is a lot more localized than it really is.
Maddie: "I am not!"
Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
Maddie: "I am a placental mammal!"
So do I. :o
Did anybody say you were a troll?
No.
And don't try pushing shit onto mods. You brought it on yourself. Will made a topic so that the gun control one wasn't derailed. You're the one who started being a little shit about it.
Why is that? Comedians can't have political positions?
I will probably end up voting for obama because kubby wont get on the ballot here in arkansas...but ideologically the man is flawless
http://www.kubby2008.com/node/8
Actually, since the insurance companies wouldn't be paying for a few idiots too stupid to wear a seatbelt *cough*Corzine*cough*, I would think that our premiums would go down.
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It's just as stupid as saying "Hey, you know who else is a democrat? Susan Sarandon! Sean Penn! Pretty much the whole cast of Dead Man Walking!"
Really? Is that what you got from my post?
Anyone can have a political position, but it's who your representatives are that demonstrate the strength of your political platform. Frankly, if your entire party is only being parroted by comedians, then people are going to view it as what it is, a freaking joke.
Of course, Moniker is the best at explaining why the party itself is a joke, I'm just speaking in general.
It's generally recognized that human life (even really stupid human life) is worth saving if technology reasonably allows it.
90% of libertarians have nothing to do with the libertarian party.
And yet noone makes the claim that the fact that they are democrats invalidates the democratic party as a whole.
I get what you're saying, but I'm trying to battle the image that nobody in the world could possibly be Libertarian. It's different than the "cool" look of being Democrat or the shunned nature of Republicans. It's supposed to let people know it's okay to be something other than Dem or Repub if you think both are wrong, other people have done it before.
I know the list is silly. But maybe in that list is someone you think is actually pretty smart and decent (I love me some Dave Barry).
EDIT: If this fits your bill better, here's some Libertarian Nobel Peace Prize winners....
Friedrich Hayek, 1974, Economics. Hayek was one of the leaders of the Austrian school of economics.
Milton Friedman, 1976, Economics. Friedman is one of the founders of the Monetarist school of economics, which advocates a free-market economy with strict control over the money supply.
James Buchanan, 1986, Economics. Buchanan won the prize for developing the "Public Choice" school of economics, which analyzes political behavior (of voters, politicans and lobbyists) in terms of self-interest.
Gary Becker, 1992, Economics. The Chicago-school economist is a leader and former president of the free-market Mont Pelerin Society.
Kary Mullis, 1993, Chemistry. Mullis won the prize for figuring out how to make unlimited copies of DNA. In the Fort Bragg, California, Advocate News, a reporter noted that Mullis "talks about his Libertarian philosophy" as just one of "his wildly divergent interests. Government, he feels, is best suited to protect groups of people from outside interference, but ill-suited to dictate how individuals should lead their private lives."
Vernon Smith, 2002, Economics (shared). The public choice economist pioneered 'experimental economics,' using simulations to predict the outcome of regulatory changes (particularly with regard to energy markets).
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Collective action problems.
I think you should be less concerned about the coolness of your political beliefs. There are other ways of letting people know it's ok to self identify as neither a democrat or a republican than parroting the idiotic LP, too.
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I love Dave Barry too... just not enough to form my own political ideology off of what he says.
The fact is, Libertarianism works best inside peoples heads, where it belongs.
People don't actually do that, which is why 90% of all libertarians just bite the bullet and vote republican.
Because noone (at least noone serious) parrots a list of them as a justification or reason to become a Democrat. If you're best justification to join a party is because of the cool people you get to hang out with at conventions...yeah.
I guess I just don't really agree with the general populace then.
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I think that's more for Scientologists, rather then Libertarians, but the point remains...
I am also a libertarian because you don't have the right to control my behavior unless it very directly and very significantly affects you. Not because it might effect your insurance premiums. Otherwise we should be legislating what people can eat, how much exercise they get, and how dangerous their recreation can be. All of which is kind of bullshit.
Big "L" Libertarians do tend to take things too far however. I realize that you think you should be able to take any mind altering substance on the planet, but in reality the fact that it alters your state of mind means that it effects your ability to choose freely. Ask a coke addict if they are freely choosing to do drugs. It is muddy waters however. How addictive does something have to be before you regulate it? My personal theory is, if you'll suck a dick for it; it's too addictive.
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I seriously doubt imbalanced was making that argument.
I really don't think that was his point at all. I think the point was that not all libertarians are complete nut-jobs trying to argue for a completely unrealistic utopian dream they have in their head.
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As far as I know, primary = they can pull you over for not wearing one and secondary = they can't pull you over for it, but if they do so for something else, they can bust you for not wearing one.
So kids shouldn't be educated? Should they be educated only if their parents can afford it?
If faith is just a silent tribute, mine is just a desperate act.
and the plans democrats and republicans make their goverment on are any more reasonable?
:rolleyes:
Most libertarians think that kids should be educated.
Most libertarians who don't think they should (lol) think that there's no way to kill the public school system anyway.
So both kinds just vote against those property tax increases.
The building codes, FDA, EPA, etc, protect me from other people. I don't want my house burning down around me because some asshole building contractor wanted to cut some corners. I don't want the pharmaceutical industry pedaling snake oil to me. Like I said, I'm not completely against government involvement. I'm just all for pulling the government out of my ass a bit.
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edit: and regulation on things like building codes, and product labels is Ok. I should not have to be an engineer to buy a safe house or car. Things that are sold to the public should have a reasonable expectation of safety that a layperson can understand.
--LeVar Burton
There are two ways I can interprit MentalExercise's statement. Either he doesn't want to publically fund education or he want a stronger oversight of the public funds going to education not just and increase in funding. I'm absolutely 100% in favor of the latter.
EDIT: I guess I got my answer, and I completely agree with it.
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That's all well and good. But you don't want to pay taxes so some kid can go to a Catholic school or a Jewish school right? God forbid they go to an Islamic school man!
If faith is just a silent tribute, mine is just a desperate act.
Not quite. I think beyond high school that the people who receive education should be those who actually WANT education. This mentality that everyone should go to college doesn't actually help the majority, because then you have no measuring stick for companies to judge by when they're hiring people. If everyone has a bachelors degree, it's like nobody has a bachelors degree. That's why the value of a 4-year education has plummeted dramatically. If you want the really, really good jobs, you have to have a masters or higher.
Nevermind that much of college education doesn't apply to the general work force anyway. Everything most people do at work, barring doctors and other highly specialized fields, can be learned ON THE JOB. It takes a few weeks, and then you can adequately do your job.
And then compound that with the fact that SOMEBODY in this world HAS TO HAVE a shitty job. There's no two ways around it. Someone is going to get the shit work that nobody else wants. Garbage men, plummers, the guy who kills all the stray dogs, people who manage McDonalds. You think someone of a scholarly BA degree is going to "lower" himself to do it? Sadly no.
That's the part about social hierarchy that won't ever go away, unless you create smart robots to do all the work. And anyone who has watched "The Second Renaissance" knows what happens when robots take over....
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Oh yeah... sign me up...
Fort Bragg is a tiny tourist village of a town. It's major claim to fame is the world's largest salmon barbecue (and, of course, the beach). I mean, seriously, I was just there last week. What a fucking joke.
In any case, libertarians are just liberals who don't know what a collective action problem is. The fact is that most of the Libertarians in the party are batshit crazy, and most of the libertarians not in the party sell out pretty much every other part of their ideology in favor of lower taxes, and vote Republican. Basically, they put George W. Bush, Bill Frist, and Tom Delay in power because they feel that lower taxes are more important to freedom than anything else.
Then you aren't a Libertarian.
Clearly, a purely public school system cannot function. And I'm sure private schools would have no incentive to take the money and not spend it on the kids.