The two most aggravating things about Ace Attorney to me are:
1) Takumi (the series writer) has a handful of tropes that he looooooooooves reusing
e.g. oh my god older sibling/parent who does the craaaaaaaaziest wrongful things for the younger sibling/child
or the "Now this cold woman can smile again"
2) That they never bring back the side characters you want them to. Some of them being very important characters! Rrrgh!
But I do love the games, yes I do. Maybe too much.
I hope that this is the game where Phoenix and Edgeworth profess their love for each other and also that Maya is there and also Gumshoe can be all "hey guys I'm here hey" and then maybe they go to court sometimes?
(Guys I have played the first game more times than I can count and now I'm gonna have to play all the games again before this new one comes out and oh nooooooo)
AA4 was better than 5. AA5 full-on ignores a lot of continuity from 4 and I found the ultimate villain to be boring and uninteresting. Then there's shit like the bad third case and such.
I also felt like Athena's backstory took up way too much time, but I do like Athena as a character.
Takumi wasn't involved with 5, but hopefully will be involved with 6. Despite the whole tropes thing I mentioned above I do prefer to have him behind the helm.
AA5
Hiiiiiiiiii Apollo's old best friend ever that we never knew about and was just slated to die in this convoluted astronaut case!
Hm, I've been overwhelmingly negative on this page for some reason. So I'll just add that I have this keychain and since I work in a courthouse, yes of course I have attached it to my workplace's keys.
haven't played five, but the first four each had a really weak case in the middle, too
Spoilers for a case in five
There's a guy you're cross-examining, and you find out that he likes dresses. That's how it's revealed that he's actually a girl because her parents...I actually don't know why since there's absolutely no good reason given for it.
AA4 was better than 5. AA5 full-on ignores a lot of continuity from 4 and I found the ultimate villain to be boring and uninteresting. Then there's shit like the bad third case and such.
I also felt like Athena's backstory took up way too much time, but I do like Athena as a character.
I'm kind of baffled that you would claim 4 is better than 5, and then complain about the villain in 5. I wasn't a huge fan of the case 5 villain either, but I'll take him plus Blackquill over the situation in AA4 any day.
One of my biggest issues in AA4 (though not the only one) was that it had no antagonist for 90% of the game. Klavier just straight-up didn't give a damn. Half of the time he got bored and did your job for you just to hurry things along. With him and disinterested hobo Phoenix as the main supporting cast, the pacing and overall energy level were just totally shot.
AA5 didn't really hit the same high notes as the original trilogy, but overall I considered it to be a satisfying return to form after AA4.
I liked Apollo a whole bunch, but his presence felt more natural in 5. It almost felt like a Bat Family kind of relationship between him, Wright and Athena.
I hope they don't go back to Phoenix soloing, because I liked the idea of him being a mentor to these two younger lawyers who could really use his guidance. It felt like a natural evolution in terms of Phoenix reaching a high enough position in the profession that he should be passing on knowledge like that.
AA4 was better than 5. AA5 full-on ignores a lot of continuity from 4 and I found the ultimate villain to be boring and uninteresting. Then there's shit like the bad third case and such.
I also felt like Athena's backstory took up way too much time, but I do like Athena as a character.
I'm kind of baffled that you would claim 4 is better than 5, and then complain about the villain in 5.
I find it ten thousand times more baffling that "bad third case" was uttered in a statement favouring AA4.
Like, buh-whaaaaaa?????
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Gotta finish my Phoenix vs. Layton playthrough and I'll have finished every AA game (released in the West that is, Damn You Edgeworth 2)!
AA4 may not be the best but it gets a pass because it has my favourite punny name in a whole goddamn series of punny names.
I really, really loved PL x AA. It had just the right amount of puzzles and the new courtroom dynamics (which carried over to Dai Gyakuten) made the courtroom sequences great.
Also
It's practically a requirement for a Professor Layton to have an absolutely insane explanation for what is going on, an explanation that is an order of magnitude more impossible than the original premise.
And PL x AA hit it out of the park, oh my god
Actually there's no such thing as magic, there's just invisible cloth and suggestive water and actors waiting around twenty-four hours a day to enact 'magical spells' with the assistance of invisible rigging and cranes everywhere whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
I'd say so! As a fan of both series, the game really featured the best parts of each. I enjoyed it more than AA5, and perhaps due to the fact that Phoenix is running around with Maya, it was actually really reminiscent of the first three games in the AA series. You do have to mentally prepare yourself for mini puzzles/brainteasers being scattered throughout the narrative though, along with the fact that the story is reeeeally zany. :P
AA4 was better than 5. AA5 full-on ignores a lot of continuity from 4 and I found the ultimate villain to be boring and uninteresting. Then there's shit like the bad third case and such.
I also felt like Athena's backstory took up way too much time, but I do like Athena as a character.
I'm kind of baffled that you would claim 4 is better than 5, and then complain about the villain in 5. I wasn't a huge fan of the case 5 villain either, but I'll take him plus Blackquill over the situation in AA4 any day.
Because AA4 was still on point as a commentary of the Japanese legal system, whereas in AA5 that gets entirely dropped for a very cartoony "dark age of the law" thing that totally pretends AA4 didn't happen. The villain has no connection to it and just exists for the self-contained plot of AA5. It's a good twist when revealing the villain, but then...eh.
What? AA5 doesn't pretend AA4 didn't happen, in fact almost all of the callbacks in AA5 are from AA4. If you're grumpy about AA4's jury system not being in AA5 that's because it was presented as an experiment, not something they had decided to put in place for the country yet.
I find it ten thousand times more baffling that "bad third case" was uttered in a statement favouring AA4.
Like, buh-whaaaaaa?????
I mean the third case of AA5
I know. My point was meant to be that you were implicitly making a comparison between AA4 and AA5's third cases. In my book, AA4's third case was the worst in the series by a wide margin.
I find it ten thousand times more baffling that "bad third case" was uttered in a statement favouring AA4.
Like, buh-whaaaaaa?????
I mean the third case of AA5
I know. My point was meant to be that you were implicitly making a comparison between AA4 and AA5's third cases. In my book, AA4's third case was the worst in the series by a wide margin.
I thought most of it was fine. That ending really soured it though.
- Phoenix Wright ends up traveling to an unnamed country
- people there strongly believe in the spirits of the dead
- the courtrooms in this country have something called a Water Mirror on the floor
- on the top screen you'll see the face of a character and words floating in the water
- young boy named Bokuto Tsuani is a monk-in-training who also works as a tour guide
- once he gets in his “Tour Guide Mode”, there simply isn’t any way to stop him
I...uh....ok?
Nepal? this looks like the phoenix wright version of Tibet or Nepal
maybe it's Kyrat
edit: there's a fucking yak in there so it's obviously a Himalayan country. that is cool!
- Phoenix Wright ends up traveling to an unnamed country
- people there strongly believe in the spirits of the dead
- the courtrooms in this country have something called a Water Mirror on the floor
- on the top screen you'll see the face of a character and words floating in the water
- young boy named Bokuto Tsuani is a monk-in-training who also works as a tour guide
- once he gets in his “Tour Guide Mode”, there simply isn’t any way to stop him
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AA4 was probably the biggest indictment on the Japanese legal system so far, but it was kinda a let-down after AA3 which was wrought from mithril.
AA5 was...so...ugh. Maybe not the worst in the series, but it tries so hard. The final 'boss' is a HUGE letdown. The only saving grace is how you take him on.
The opposing prosecutor actually managed to be worse than Fransika.
Of course then you play Layton vs PW and everything is good again. The best parts are
Not the crazy bullshit explanations, but when Phoenix thinks he is going to win the case then Layton just walks to the Prosecutor bench and starts laying down the fucking law. Layton don't care about your PTSD. Layton wants his GOD DAMNED PUZZLE SOLVED. Except that it seems to be Layton canon that Layton already knows the answer and is just fucking trolling everyone.
Also in PW vs Layon you get to see motherfucking
LAYTON SWORDFIGHT ROBOTS
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
My Japanese-literate friend has informed me that Shu Takumi isn't writing AA6. It'll be the same team that wrote AA5. Trust in this game.. decreasing..!
My Japanese-literate friend has informed me that Shu Takumi isn't writing AA6. It'll be the same team that wrote AA5. Trust in this game.. decreasing..!
We can still hope for the Great Ace Attorney...???????
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1) Takumi (the series writer) has a handful of tropes that he looooooooooves reusing
or the "Now this cold woman can smile again"
2) That they never bring back the side characters you want them to. Some of them being very important characters! Rrrgh!
But I do love the games, yes I do. Maybe too much.
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Ema
(full AA and AAI series I guess)
T...this instead of people like Maya, or Apollo and Trucy's mother or such... was infuriating!
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I also felt like Athena's backstory took up way too much time, but I do like Athena as a character.
AA5
Hm, I've been overwhelmingly negative on this page for some reason. So I'll just add that I have this keychain and since I work in a courthouse, yes of course I have attached it to my workplace's keys.
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You're right.
It should have been Larry Butz.
Also
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One of my biggest issues in AA4 (though not the only one) was that it had no antagonist for 90% of the game. Klavier just straight-up didn't give a damn. Half of the time he got bored and did your job for you just to hurry things along. With him and disinterested hobo Phoenix as the main supporting cast, the pacing and overall energy level were just totally shot.
AA5 didn't really hit the same high notes as the original trilogy, but overall I considered it to be a satisfying return to form after AA4.
I hope they don't go back to Phoenix soloing, because I liked the idea of him being a mentor to these two younger lawyers who could really use his guidance. It felt like a natural evolution in terms of Phoenix reaching a high enough position in the profession that he should be passing on knowledge like that.
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I find it ten thousand times more baffling that "bad third case" was uttered in a statement favouring AA4.
Like, buh-whaaaaaa?????
AA4 may not be the best but it gets a pass because it has my favourite punny name in a whole goddamn series of punny names.
Fucking Romein LeTouse? Dammit game!
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And PL x AA hit it out of the park, oh my god
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I mean the third case of AA5
I know. My point was meant to be that you were implicitly making a comparison between AA4 and AA5's third cases. In my book, AA4's third case was the worst in the series by a wide margin.
Oh and also:
and while I'm at it.
I thought most of it was fine. That ending really soured it though.
that case is rubbish
ruuuuuuuuuuuubbish
Nepal? this looks like the phoenix wright version of Tibet or Nepal
maybe it's Kyrat
edit: there's a fucking yak in there so it's obviously a Himalayan country. that is cool!
Prosecutors really make or break the games as much as the main characters, if not more.
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AA5 was...so...ugh. Maybe not the worst in the series, but it tries so hard. The final 'boss' is a HUGE letdown. The only saving grace is how you take him on.
The opposing prosecutor actually managed to be worse than Fransika.
Of course then you play Layton vs PW and everything is good again. The best parts are
Also in PW vs Layon you get to see motherfucking
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But I know going in that Layton has figured out the mystery before Phoenix has managed to put together that a mystery even exists
We can still hope for the Great Ace Attorney...???????
but I also really liked dual destinies so ????
AA5 is alright
AA5 is the second best in the series and anyone who says it is bad is legit crazy.
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Yup
PL vs AA on the other hand is brought way down by the mother of all Implausible Layton Endings
And mediocre puzzles (with incredible art)
In fact pretty much every part where it's a Layton game kinda sucks
And the original Layton trilogy are among my favourite DS games!