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Hilldawg 2016: The Most Unvetted Candidate of 2016
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Since we have a bernie thread I think its time for a Hillary thread, currently polling at the front of the race nationally for the democratic party's nomination for president. Hillary is the best chance we have to keep the presidency from the derp side.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/hillary-clinton-bucks-trend-goes-bold-gun-issue
Hillary is currently also in the wake of another "unique event" going hard on gun control which puts her to the left of Bernie Sanders even.
This thread is about Hillary Clinton and her race for the presidency, it is not about Bill Clinton or the Clinton admin from 92-00. Vince Foster talk not allowed, nor are discussions about whether you think Hillary is a lesbian or anything other than Hillary Clinton's current run for president of the US.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/hillary-clinton-bucks-trend-goes-bold-gun-issue
Hillary is currently also in the wake of another "unique event" going hard on gun control which puts her to the left of Bernie Sanders even.
This thread is about Hillary Clinton and her race for the presidency, it is not about Bill Clinton or the Clinton admin from 92-00. Vince Foster talk not allowed, nor are discussions about whether you think Hillary is a lesbian or anything other than Hillary Clinton's current run for president of the US.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
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Gun control is usually more of a centrist position than a leftist position.
Mrs. Clinton also recently gained the support of the NEA; she certainly seems to be getter the far better end in terms of endorsements.
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EDIT: The pillow is also good, but I really dislike the logo that the Clinton campaign picked.
but seriously, i haven't been following any candidate that closely, pretty much just relying on the threads here to keep my somewhat up to date. but i've gotten the impression that Hilary hasn't been campaigning to hard just yet. is that the case and if so when are we likely to see her kick into a higher gear?
Logo seems to imply she is moving rightward. Weird choice.
Also she's back on top in Iowa after that brief bit where Sanders was leading there, still losing in New hampshire, overall still up nationally. I imagine when Biden decides not to run her numbers will go up again.
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Beginning of next year, maybe. She doesn't need to build visible ground support like Bernie does right now. I think they are both taking good strategies at this point.
only as you look at it, which would mean leftward from its/the wearers perspective... but i agree with others that its not the best logo.
still better than JEB! though.
I think the intent is to show an arrow moving forward. It's just placed awkwardly (granted, it's hard to work with an 'H' when it comes to logo design).
It seems like the best thing she can do right now is rest on her name recognition and not give the media more things to jump on. The email issue has already been shockingly sticky. I thought that wasn't going to even be a blip for her when it was first raised and now it is the main story about her campaign.
Yeah an H is hard not to look like a Hospital or helipad symbol and you obviously want to avoid a C.
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Good PR
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lol yes the thread about the female candidate should mention her clothes
So was Miley
Technically the name's an issue as well.
I feel like this is deja vu all over again... Last year, when the choice was between Quinn and Rauner, I really, REALLY didn't want to vote for Quinn. But I knew in my heart that Rauner would be much worse, and yet people would vote for him because it would be a change of any kind. And.. well.. now the state's imploding.
I fear the same thing with next year's political environment. I really, REALLY don't want to vote for Hillary. But I fear what else may be on the ballot, and I also fear that a lot of people will want to get any Republican in there no matter how damaging it is to them personally.
That was good, Hillary was a pretty good sport with some of those jokes.
This was the only skit I watched, but that doesn't surprise me. Though its worse for Miley who in theory acted before. Hillary's only acting came during one of the benghazi hearing where she pretended she gave a shit.
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pity they couldn't have gotten Bill to do it himself, but i'm guessing that would have just stolen attention from Hilary, defeating the point.
The email issue has been sticky because it lets the media create a narrative for the campaign, which is still in its early stages--and the Republican candidates are more than happy to bring it up, of course.
The actual election is still more than a year away. Unless it turns up something juicy, it's not going to last that long. Eventually the media will focus on other election things, whether it's important stuff (like a candidate clinching the Republican nomination) or just stupid gaffes and poor answers to gotcha questions. As is, email coverage basically comes down to repeating the same points over and over ("There's no evidence Hillary did anything wrong... but what if she did????") or bringing up stupid, mundane shit (the email that recently brought the press to a tizzy was Hillary asking what "fubar" meant).
most of the time on SNL people are blatantly reading cards
Also, I was hoping for some interesting stuff in the released Clinton emails, but unfortunately everything important is classified/redacted, so it will be at least ten years before we can learn anything interesting from them.
I'll have to defer to you on this one, I don't watch the program.
And the email thing is a great example of the media running with a narrative given to them by Trey Gowdy, and then reporting on their invented narrative thereby creating the story. "Isn't hillary untrustworthy?"
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Yup at one time it was pretty centrist but now it is a total third rail unless you are a lefty lefty liberal commie muslim chemist.
The interaction starts at 3:10 here: http://www.today.com/news/visibly-angry-hillary-clinton-talks-benghazi-today-committee-not-appropriate-t48111
The interview definitely tries to attack Hillary on the issue, but there is just a holy shit moment where the bias completely comes through at 5:47 where Savannah Guthrie says
That was the moment where I saw, first hand, the media willing to completely disregard past incident just to push Hillary on this stupid witch hunt. I mean, Jesus Christ what a joke.
taking a hard stance on Syria during that campaign puts her in a good negotiating position should she win the election. she makes a lot of noise about a no-fly zone, then walks it back in talks with Putin in return from something she wants from them.
its the same tactic others have said she should be applying to the minimum wage issue, push for $15 in the hope of getting the $12 she wants/thinks is achievable.
There is nothing in the emails, if there was the GOP wouldn't be handing out half talk information to discredit Hillary. Literally anything that comes out of "hillary's emails" is horseshit GOP narrative and it makes me sad as fuck that democrats are running with it because they back sanders.
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But of course that requires more words than "Hillary's emails contain classified info," so, y'know. Clintons untrustworthy as always, etc.
edit - like, I don't care about the emails for the reasons the Republicans seem to, but if they weren't redacted they'd be enlightening for the same reasons that any trove of a state official's emails would be.
Cuz discussions around this have had about as much civility as a knife fight, even this far out.
...For what reason should we trust your apparently psychic intuition for what Mrs. Clinton really means?
I think it's likely that the No Fly Zone proponents, including Mrs. Clinton, feel that Russian forces will blink and leave the area & in that sense do not actually wish to provoke a war (Mr. Kasich, for example, has been explicit about this). But at the same time I don't believe they appreciate / care about what happens if the Russian forces don't blink.
there's a reason people call politics a bloodsport.
Good lord. Yeah what a genius pick by Guthrie. I know thats her producers doing that, but man alive if she had any integrity she would have refused to read that.
"Nope then I'll come off as a fucking idiot, they did have a scandal and shockingly no one in the media gave a shit."
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I readily admit I haven't gone diving to read them myself, but the only concerning thing I've heard this point was that one email from 2011 where she purposely eschewed LGBT rights because of how the right wing media would have reacted/responded. Reluctance to do something that's right because of how critics might respond isn't something I like to see in a leader.