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The [Fifth Republican Primary Debate] Thread: Watching Sober Not Recommended
AngelHedgie
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Okay, so there's yet another one of these things tonight. Once again, the rundown, courtesy of Politico (a.k.a. Tiger Beat on the Potomac):
As pointed out, the poll requirements were altered to consider early state polling, resulting in Christie returning to the varsity team, and Graham and Pataki being welcomed back to the JV squad. Also, with nine people in the main debate, the layout is thus:
Yes, it's pretty much a menorah of mendacity, with Trump as shamash. (He's probably got enough hair product in him to burn for eight days and eight nights on his own.)
So, will any of the not-Trumps be able to take down the Don? Will Fiorina spout off new Planned Parenthood conspiracy theories? Will Carson demand the Luxor surrender its grain reserve? Will ¿Jeb? live up to the soft bigotry of the low expectations everyone has of him now?
Also, a few guidelines, so as to keep The Management happy, and not ban-happy:
1. This is the Republican debate thread, not the primary thread. If you have something to say that's primary related, but not debate related, you know where to go.
2. This is the Republican debate thread. Yes, the Democratic debate is this weekend, and there will be a thread for it then.
3. Discussing your choice of alcohol to dull the pain of the debate is a valid (and recommended!) topic. Again, we do not recommend watching this sober.
4. Given the crowd in this debate, the chance for Episode VII spoilers is high. Make sure you spoiler tag any that come up.
When is the next Republican presidential debate?
The fifth Republican presidential debate will be Tuesday, Dec. 15th, live from The Venetian in Las Vegas. It will be hosted by CNN and Salem Radio.
What time and how long is the debate?
The first of the night’s debates – the undercard forum – starts at 6 PM EST, which means the prime time session doesn’t begin until 8:30 EST. A CNN spokesperson says details on formatting are to come, though one network announcement notes that the web stream of the debate lasts until 11 PM EST.
How can I watch the debate?
The debate will air on CNN and stream for free at www.cnn.com, which earned the network an additional four million viewers during their Sept. 16 debate. No cable subscription is necessary to stream. CNN also will allow access to the debate on mobile devices. Radio listeners can tune into any Salem Network broadcast across the country.
Who will participate in the debate?
The prime time debate includes Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Carly Fiorina, Chris Christie, Rand Paul, and John Kasich. The undercard features Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Lindsey Graham, and George Pataki.
The qualifications for this debate are a twist on recent standards: it’s the first 2016 debate that features polling from the early voting states. Candidates with an average of at least 4 percent in selected polling from either Iowa or New Hampshire earned a spot in Las Vegas. Candidates with an average of at least 3.5 percent in national polling between Oct. 29 and Dec. 13 also made the stage.
Where will they stand on stage?
With an odd number of candidates participating in the main debate, Trump is now truly centerstage. To his left will be Cruz, Bush, Christie, and Paul, and to his right will be Carson, Rubio, Fiorina, and Kasich.
Who will moderate the debate?
Wolf Blitzer will be the primary moderator. Hugh Hewitt--returning from the last CNN Republican debate--will contribute questions, as will CNN’s Dana Bash. The format should feel familiar, with CNN simply swapping out Jake Tapper for Blitzer. In October, Blitzer was part of a contentious exchange with Ben Carson over some of Carson’s comments on gun control. (Any buzzer sounds used at the debate might trigger flashbacks for Blitzer, who lost in a rout in an episode of Celebrity Jeopardy in 2009.)
Will there be a new approach to taking on Donald Trump?
With concerns from the RNC and “establishment” conservatives such as Mitch McConnell, Trump is privy to a new level of internal scrutiny, facing the prospect of a brokered convention if he’s successful in the primaries. Trump has spoken of running as an independent, which was echoed on Friday by Ben Carson, who threatened to leave the Republican Party if he deemed it too unfriendly to less orthodox candidates.
Could this debate seal the deal for Ted Cruz in Iowa?
With Cruz surging in the Iowa polls, endorsements rolling in, and conservatives starting to treat him as a sober alternative to Donald Trump, a strong performance on stage will likely propel him that much closer to winning the first round of 2016. Trump has insisted that the moment he starts attacking Cruz, the Texas Senator will suffer (he referred to Cruz as a “maniac” Sunday morning), but Cruz has shown durability as a Trump alternative. He took a commanding lead in Iowa polling over the weekend. There’s only one Republican debate after the next one before Iowans flock to the caucuses.
How important is this for Rand Paul?
The political world speculated all weekend about Paul's likely demise, but his team says it was all nonsense. No doubt, he’s struggling to gain any traction in the polls. But his team is holding events and CNN made space for him on the main debate stage, giving him another chance to make an impression.
What about Jeb Bush?
Money talks, and it’s telling Jeb Bush he doesn’t have to go anywhere. Some of Bush’s most vocal advocates are still pleading with Republicans about his singular electability. It's still unclear though whether a strong performance on stage or on the stump can generate some points in the polls for the one-time front-runner.
When is the sixth Republican debate?
The sixth Republican debate and first presidential primary debate of 2016 is scheduled for Thursday, Jan. 14 in South Carolina at the North Charleston Coliseum and Performing Arts Center. Fox Business Network will return as the host; the network received praise from the Republican Party after they sufficiently tempered the fury following the widely criticized October CNBC debate.
When is the next Democratic debate?
With a return to the weekend format used last time, Clinton, Sanders, and O’Malley will debate this Saturday at 8 PM at Saint Anselm College in Manchester, New Hampshire. The debate will be hosted by ABC News, the New Hampshire Democratic Party, WMUR-TV, and the Union Leader. David Muir, Martha Raddatz, and Josh McElveen will moderate.
As pointed out, the poll requirements were altered to consider early state polling, resulting in Christie returning to the varsity team, and Graham and Pataki being welcomed back to the JV squad. Also, with nine people in the main debate, the layout is thus:
Yes, it's pretty much a menorah of mendacity, with Trump as shamash. (He's probably got enough hair product in him to burn for eight days and eight nights on his own.)
So, will any of the not-Trumps be able to take down the Don? Will Fiorina spout off new Planned Parenthood conspiracy theories? Will Carson demand the Luxor surrender its grain reserve? Will ¿Jeb? live up to the soft bigotry of the low expectations everyone has of him now?
Also, a few guidelines, so as to keep The Management happy, and not ban-happy:
1. This is the Republican debate thread, not the primary thread. If you have something to say that's primary related, but not debate related, you know where to go.
2. This is the Republican debate thread. Yes, the Democratic debate is this weekend, and there will be a thread for it then.
3. Discussing your choice of alcohol to dull the pain of the debate is a valid (and recommended!) topic. Again, we do not recommend watching this sober.
4. Given the crowd in this debate, the chance for Episode VII spoilers is high. Make sure you spoiler tag any that come up.
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I primed myself.
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I think I'm ready.
Also I have a brand new bottle of this to help me out:
Remember folks, one of these people is going to get around 45% of the vote next year!
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1) Donald Trump calls Ted Cruz a godless Canadian, asks him to provide his long form birth certificate.
2) Carly Fiorina's eyelids finally tire themselves out, causing her blinking to pause just long enough for her brain to finally escape through her eye sockets.
What are you hoping for to happen in this most glorious night?
My list is in the OP.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/14/politics/republican-debate-live-updates/index.html
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Are they sending in Candy Crowley to sooth their concerns?
Bring it on
It's CNN, my bet is they'll cave in and throw softballs/lose control of the debate.
But not frightened enough that they would ever think that their shadow shouldn't be able to buy a gun at will.
Huckabee: We need to insert spies into mosques.
If we take their land, then they'll have to roll a hurt die, and if they get a 5 or 6, then the islamic rules state that they have to take a negative attribute, which under the ISIS rulebook means that they aren't legitimate anymore, and their +5 mental domination goes away!
Also, we need bodies to throw at the meat grinder.
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How would they scare us if they did?
Also, someone page Joe Haldeman to come smack Huckabee.
I mean, mostly because the USA probably wouldn't actually exist anymore, because the economy would've completely collapsed, but... we wouldn't be in this mess probably?
No, he is just making up bullshit.
Uhh....
Wow...
Like..
Do you actually understand the concept of inconceivable in connection with the princess bride?