Finished this last night. I thought it was very good with some great performances, but it wasn't really what I wanted; I was either disinterested in or disagreed with the core themes of the narrative.
Matt was a bad lawyer, a poor Catholic, a hypocrite about lethal force even towards the same people, an awful friend and just an all round kinda garbage person. As someone without any vested interest in the character, I'm kinda checked out for Season 3.
Karen's arc wasn't at all what I expected from S1 - no residual feelings over Wesley and no guilt over Ben. I would have found that exceedingly tiresome so I'm kinda glad it didn't happen, but I'd have rather just had Ben be the one doing the investigating and I definitely still resent her a little for his death. Black cop didn't do anything and Claire was criminally underused again.
The Punisher stuff was incredibly compelling save for its conclusion. Electra herself was really interesting even if her storyline was boring. These shows have a way high body count, even when it doesn't serve the narrative.
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Biker jacket, white shirt, loose tie, short hair, purple lipstick, and butterfly knives?
Yes, to all of that
Very yes
Well I know what I'm wearing next time I see you
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Olivawgood name, isn't it?the foot of mt fujiRegistered Userregular
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Finished this dang series, finally
Still don't like some things! Mostly plot related, rather than character stuff
like the whole x-ray thing and that whole investigative angle making zero sense. Turns out people were lying to me and that was always Frank's x-ray, which required so many weird leaps to get Karen into Frank's house that I just don't know why it couldn't have been done better and more efficiently
Things I did like though: that creepy hole. Lots of ninjas. Weird mystical shit that we don't know how it works, and a lot of which goes unexplained
That last one though kind of comes back to bite them in the ass, though--like I'm sort of into having a train full of sand treated as important, because that's mysterious! I'm not so into the brief, forgotten about thing where a small child was treated as the Black Sky for a hot second
There's so many little things that bothered me that I can't wholeheartedly recommend this one like last season. And it's telling that the best parts of the show were either the Punisher or Wilson Fisk--not that I didn't enjoy Elektra, she was just so unstable that her character's motivations were hard to follow and... I dunno, she just seemed to complicate things, and not in a good or interesting way, in a "I'm not sure I can keep up with all these characters changing their minds so much" way
The dude is a psychopath. Not really quality protagonist material.
The Punisher has been one of Marvel's consistently top selling titles since the 1980s. This was inevitable.
This is not really true
Punisher hasn't been a top selling book for quite some time
Like, decades
There isn't a major Punisher title running right now, but the figures for the last monthly run have it as a Top 20 book and one of Marvel's Top 10 books.
The Punisher goes up and down the charts depending on the title and creative team, but Frank as a headliner on a montly book is a consistent Top 10 - Top 20 selling title.
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The dude is a psychopath. Not really quality protagonist material.
The Punisher has been one of Marvel's consistently top selling titles since the 1980s. This was inevitable.
This is not really true
Punisher hasn't been a top selling book for quite some time
Like, decades
There isn't a major Punisher title running right now, but the figures for the last monthly run have it as a Top 20 book and one of Marvel's Top 10 books.
The Punisher goes up and down the charts depending on the title and creative team, but Frank as a headliner on a montly book is a consistent Top 10 - Top 20 selling title.
They don't need to confine the show to NYC. They could make it a murder procedural. Have three episodes of information gathering and one of crazy shit.
The dude is a psychopath. Not really quality protagonist material.
The Punisher has been one of Marvel's consistently top selling titles since the 1980s. This was inevitable.
This is not really true
Punisher hasn't been a top selling book for quite some time
Like, decades
There isn't a major Punisher title running right now, but the figures for the last monthly run have it as a Top 20 book and one of Marvel's Top 10 books.
The Punisher goes up and down the charts depending on the title and creative team, but Frank as a headliner on a montly book is a consistent Top 10 - Top 20 selling title.
Thats an Issue 1, and its barely in the top 20
Yeah, #1 issues always debut strong. If you go to the next month it drops to #69 And the month after it drops to #76 and so on
Frank hasn't had a consistently Top 10 or 20 series in quite some time
I'm skeptical of the punisher's ability to carry his own series but jon bernthal was so good that I'll give it a shot
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I finally started watching this here show
up through episode 3 now
best ep yet--the rooftop scene was fantastic, and daredevil's fight down through the stairwell was the first time I think I think they really succeeded with their combat staging/choreo/whatev with him
because that first episode's intro with the PoV-ish/off-camera daredevilling was reallllly bad. I don't know what it is about this show that makes the combat feel so ineffectual for me, but it just feels so very very fake. sound design and cinematography, I guess? lots of people seem to dig it, though, so
really digging bernthal so far, though he just sounds like shane, not particularly new yorky to my ears. his terminator-esque hospital scene was a killer intro to the character on-screen
Re-watching season 2 and I still can't get over how Foggy just totally forgets they had no (paying) clients before all this more important shit hit and he just wines about them looking bad in the case that can't win anyway even if Matt was there all day every day and all night and Matt just lets him get away with it, even him acting like Matt WANTS all this shit happening.
Hope they dial that shit back next season/in Defenders.
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Karen's arc wasn't at all what I expected from S1 - no residual feelings over Wesley and no guilt over Ben. I would have found that exceedingly tiresome so I'm kinda glad it didn't happen, but I'd have rather just had Ben be the one doing the investigating and I definitely still resent her a little for his death. Black cop didn't do anything and Claire was criminally underused again.
The Punisher stuff was incredibly compelling save for its conclusion. Electra herself was really interesting even if her storyline was boring. These shows have a way high body count, even when it doesn't serve the narrative.
Well I know what I'm wearing next time I see you
Still don't like some things! Mostly plot related, rather than character stuff
Things I did like though: that creepy hole. Lots of ninjas. Weird mystical shit that we don't know how it works, and a lot of which goes unexplained
That last one though kind of comes back to bite them in the ass, though--like I'm sort of into having a train full of sand treated as important, because that's mysterious! I'm not so into the brief, forgotten about thing where a small child was treated as the Black Sky for a hot second
There's so many little things that bothered me that I can't wholeheartedly recommend this one like last season. And it's telling that the best parts of the show were either the Punisher or Wilson Fisk--not that I didn't enjoy Elektra, she was just so unstable that her character's motivations were hard to follow and... I dunno, she just seemed to complicate things, and not in a good or interesting way, in a "I'm not sure I can keep up with all these characters changing their minds so much" way
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It also needs the hero to be trained by a secretive clan of Japanese cowboys.
Which is another thing I want so much.
Why I fear the ocean.
I don't see why he needs one.
The dude is a psychopath. Not really quality protagonist material.
The Punisher has been one of Marvel's consistently top selling titles since the 1980s. This was inevitable.
Punisher hasn't been a top selling book for quite some time
Like, decades
Breaking Bad, for one
That's a pretty good fit for a Punisher series
There isn't a major Punisher title running right now, but the figures for the last monthly run have it as a Top 20 book and one of Marvel's Top 10 books.
The Punisher goes up and down the charts depending on the title and creative team, but Frank as a headliner on a montly book is a consistent Top 10 - Top 20 selling title.
The show didn't really make him heroic.
Though the whole roof side scene was my favorite scene from the season, and unless they have some cross-over I don't see that happening.
Also: where is Frank's accent from? Because it doesn't sound like a New York accent...it sounds more Southern than anything.
Thats an Issue 1, and its barely in the top 20
Well, apart from when
Not super excited for a solo series, though, but Marvel Netflix can totally pull it off
Frank hasn't had a consistently Top 10 or 20 series in quite some time
I'm skeptical of the punisher's ability to carry his own series but jon bernthal was so good that I'll give it a shot
up through episode 3 now
because that first episode's intro with the PoV-ish/off-camera daredevilling was reallllly bad. I don't know what it is about this show that makes the combat feel so ineffectual for me, but it just feels so very very fake. sound design and cinematography, I guess? lots of people seem to dig it, though, so
really digging bernthal so far, though he just sounds like shane, not particularly new yorky to my ears. his terminator-esque hospital scene was a killer intro to the character on-screen
Hope they dial that shit back next season/in Defenders.