But to comment seriously, I doubt it's the President because that would be page 1 news and they would lead with that and because, seriously has the Pres ever had that much money? I know he's a Millionaire but I don't think he's ever had the resources that you need a Mossack Fonseca to conceal.
But that just goes to prove how obviously the press is in the pocket of GEORGE SOROS and controlled by BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.
More seriously, it's probably just going to be some two-bit Ponzi Scheme artists stealing from NYC's elderly.
But to comment seriously, I doubt it's the President because that would be page 1 news and they would lead with that and because, seriously has the Pres ever had that much money? I know he's a Millionaire but I don't think he's ever had the resources that you need a Mossack Fonseca to conceal.
But that just goes to prove how obviously the press is in the pocket of GEORGE SOROS and controlled by BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.
More seriously, it's probably just going to be some two-bit Ponzi Scheme artists stealing from NYC's elderly.
The lack of reporting on this in US news is downright creepy.
It's Sunday. We'll see if it picks up tomorrow.
In the age of 24 hour news cycles and having "breaking news" headlines minutes after major events happen? Plus, it's like 1:00 AM GMT. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but the complete silence seems skeevy right now.
The lack of reporting on this in US news is downright creepy.
It's Sunday. We'll see if it picks up tomorrow.
In the age of 24 hour news cycles and having "breaking news" headlines minutes after major events happen? Plus, it's like 1:00 AM GMT. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but the complete silence seems skeevy right now.
Washington Post has an article. Got some from Reuters. NYT has it on the front page too.
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The lack of reporting on this in US news is downright creepy.
It's Sunday. We'll see if it picks up tomorrow.
In the age of 24 hour news cycles and having "breaking news" headlines minutes after major events happen? Plus, it's like 1:00 AM GMT. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but the complete silence seems skeevy right now.
Washington Post has an article. Got some from Reuters. NYT has it on the front page too.
Hmm I am honestly not seeing those up on their respective front pages now. Not that I don't believe you or anything, weird.
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The lack of reporting on this in US news is downright creepy.
It's Sunday. We'll see if it picks up tomorrow.
In the age of 24 hour news cycles and having "breaking news" headlines minutes after major events happen? Plus, it's like 1:00 AM GMT. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but the complete silence seems skeevy right now.
Washington Post has an article. Got some from Reuters. NYT has it on the front page too.
Hmm I am honestly not seeing those up on their respective front pages now. Not that I don't believe you or anything, weird.
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Often enough I don't see updates I make on our company website.
The lack of reporting on this in US news is downright creepy.
It's Sunday. We'll see if it picks up tomorrow.
In the age of 24 hour news cycles and having "breaking news" headlines minutes after major events happen? Plus, it's like 1:00 AM GMT. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but the complete silence seems skeevy right now.
Washington Post has an article. Got some from Reuters. NYT has it on the front page too.
Hmm I am honestly not seeing those up on their respective front pages now. Not that I don't believe you or anything, weird.
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Often enough I don't see updates I make on our company website.
The international version of the NYT has it. The domestic version... oh no that's not important enough.
But to comment seriously, I doubt it's the President because that would be page 1 news and they would lead with that and because, seriously has the Pres ever had that much money? I know he's a Millionaire but I don't think he's ever had the resources that you need a Mossack Fonseca to conceal.
He's somewhere around 10 million. Though that'll at least triple the day he signs a contract to write his memoirs.
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The lack of reporting on this in US news is downright creepy.
It's Sunday. We'll see if it picks up tomorrow.
In the age of 24 hour news cycles and having "breaking news" headlines minutes after major events happen? Plus, it's like 1:00 AM GMT. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but the complete silence seems skeevy right now.
Washington Post has an article. Got some from Reuters. NYT has it on the front page too.
Hmm I am honestly not seeing those up on their respective front pages now. Not that I don't believe you or anything, weird.
Cookies, location, caches.
Often enough I don't see updates I make on our company website.
The international version of the NYT has it. The domestic version... oh no that's not important enough.
The lack of reporting on this in US news is downright creepy.
It's Sunday. We'll see if it picks up tomorrow.
In the age of 24 hour news cycles and having "breaking news" headlines minutes after major events happen? Plus, it's like 1:00 AM GMT. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but the complete silence seems skeevy right now.
I think the 24 HR news cycle has always taken a break on Sunday unless it's a terrorist attack or something.
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US media doesn't usually pay attention unless there is some kind of American involvement.
"Thousands killed in earthquake" vs "3 Americans killed in earthquake, thousands of others also killed."
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What difference does it make to American readers that David Cameron's dad had an offshore account
And, well, Putin being corrupt is hardly news, we already knew that
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Yeah that's the other thing. A bunch of Middle Eastern dictators, Putin, and Putin's lackeys all being corrupt simply isn't news.
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Putin, PM of Iceland, King of SA, Prez of Argentina, Prez of Ukraine, tons of heads of state and close relations are in this thing. Heck, Jackie Chan. It's the biggest story in a long time wherever you are.
Edit: It's not exactly a shock that rich people are dodging taxes, sure, but it is a huge story that we have evidence on it with so many high profile/powerful people, and what we've seen so far is just the tip of the iceberg--not just of tax dodging, obviously, but of the actual leak itself. Plenty more incoming.
I'm sure there are Americans implicated. But, I thought it was relatively easy to setup companies with opaque ownership inside the US. If so, offshore accounts owned by Americans may be harder to track down. The aforementioned banking laws reinforce this idea, i think.
I tend to think the Americans will be fairly anonymous because it's really unlike journalists to bury the lede this obviously. You don't go heads of state/government up to the father of the UK PM and leave off like a Majority leader or PotUS
Unless they plan to package the U.S. revelations as a separate bombshell. The early stories establish the context, then later stories hit big figures since the public understands what it is they are denying.
The ABC has identified more than 1,000 Australian links in the data, which contains personal details including copies of the passports of hundreds of Australians.
In a statement, deputy tax commissioner Michael Cranston said the information included "some taxpayers who we have previously investigated, as well as a small number who disclosed their arrangements with us".
"It also includes a large number of taxpayers who haven't previously come forward, including high wealth individuals, and we are already taking action on those cases," he said.
Australian commercial news seems to be running it as well, albeit not to the same detail.
The lack of reporting on this in US news is downright creepy.
It finally hit the media tonight, but it is very interesting how long both the Washington Post and New York Times took to acknowledge it. Even then, The Post has it way down on the front page, with the headline about Putin, and I found the NY Times article on Google News not the front page.
I'm sure there are Americans implicated. But, I thought it was relatively easy to setup companies with opaque ownership inside the US. If so, offshore accounts owned by Americans may be harder to track down. The aforementioned banking laws reinforce this idea, i think.
Not really, it's not easy in the US and the US is very aggressive, especially under Obama, in sniffing these out internationally. Obama/Clinton even got the Swiss to open their books. It's an advantage of being the financial capital of the world, the world's biggest economy and the world's only superpower.
Jesus Christ this shit even extends to pedophile rings and the war in Syria.
This..This is going to cause a lot of much needed upheaval.
I feel like I've said that about a dozen stories over the past decade or more. Nothing has changed so far.
I'm not trying to just be a defeatest asshole, either. It's just frustration talking.
People will go to prison over this. It's documented evidence of fraud conducted through Western firms. Putin and the dictators are fine, but there are a lot of wealthy people in the West who spent the day frantically calling their attorneys.
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ShadowfireVermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered Userregular
I'm sure there are Americans implicated. But, I thought it was relatively easy to setup companies with opaque ownership inside the US. If so, offshore accounts owned by Americans may be harder to track down. The aforementioned banking laws reinforce this idea, i think.
Not really, it's not easy in the US and the US is very aggressive, especially under Obama, in sniffing these out internationally. Obama/Clinton even got the Swiss to open their books. It's an advantage of being the financial capital of the world, the world's biggest economy and the world's only superpower.
My point was that its pretty easy to setup an anonymous company inside the US. So, although I'm sure there are plenty of Americans hiding ownership and assets via offshore vehicles, you can also do that via an anonymous American company further shielding your ownership. Or at least that was my impression.
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At the very least soon I hope the IRS will hit a lot of rich assholes right where it hurts.
Jesus Christ this shit even extends to pedophile rings and the war in Syria.
This..This is going to cause a lot of much needed upheaval.
I feel like I've said that about a dozen stories over the past decade or more. Nothing has changed so far.
I'm not trying to just be a defeatest asshole, either. It's just frustration talking.
People will go to prison over this. It's documented evidence of fraud conducted through Western firms. Putin and the dictators are fine, but there are a lot of wealthy people in the West who spend the day frantically calling their attorneys.
Maybe if the IRS were funded properly I'd be less cynical with this ending well.
Jesus Christ this shit even extends to pedophile rings and the war in Syria.
This..This is going to cause a lot of much needed upheaval.
I feel like I've said that about a dozen stories over the past decade or more. Nothing has changed so far.
I'm not trying to just be a defeatest asshole, either. It's just frustration talking.
People will go to prison over this. It's documented evidence of fraud conducted through Western firms. Putin and the dictators are fine, but there are a lot of wealthy people in the West who spend the day frantically calling their attorneys.
Maybe if the IRS were funded properly I'd be less cynical with this ending well.
Doesn't help that half the political power in the country does whatever it can to undermine it.
Jesus Christ this shit even extends to pedophile rings and the war in Syria.
This..This is going to cause a lot of much needed upheaval.
I feel like I've said that about a dozen stories over the past decade or more. Nothing has changed so far.
I'm not trying to just be a defeatest asshole, either. It's just frustration talking.
People will go to prison over this. It's documented evidence of fraud conducted through Western firms. Putin and the dictators are fine, but there are a lot of wealthy people in the West who spend the day frantically calling their attorneys.
Maybe if the IRS were funded properly I'd be less cynical with this ending well.
Well, maybe no Americans will go to jail over this (if it's just some rando Ponzi scheme guys, though, yeah I bet they'll get jail time).
but lots of those rich guys in Iceland are very likely to get into deep deep trouble. As was said earlier, Iceland was one of the few countries during the credit crisis that had very little tolerance for people who dicked around with securities, and a lot of those former millionaire playboys went to jail (probably because of how hard hit Iceland's banks were. The whole country almost went bankrupt).
EDIT: Also, I constantly get Greenland and Iceland mixed-up in my head, which is exactly what the dickhead Vikings who named the countries wanted.
Relevant quote from the first link the OP, in regards to implications of the involvement of jackasses from the US.
Since the 70s the law firm has expanded operations and now works with affiliated offices in 44 countries, including the Bahamas, Cyprus, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Brazil, Jersey, Luxembourg, the British Virgin Islands, and—perhaps most troubling—the US, specifically the states of Wyoming, Florida, and Nevada.
I'm betting we're going to see a case of lots of rich assholes, that probably bitch about taxes being theft, getting outed. I hope when they do out the assholes, they mentioned just how much they paid to evade taxes, I figure it's probably going to be a sum that most people take two years to make in income. I figure that's a good way to prevent any misplaced sympathy from people that buy into the whole BS talking point of taxes being theft, is to remind them that there are wealthy, free-loading assholes that are dropping money that exceeds their yearly income into services designed to violate the law.
As for major implications. Given the nature really shady and corrupt companies, I expect we'll see some individuals in those state government's getting named. Of interest is Wisconsin and Florida, given some of the shit I've seen out of those two states, I wouldn't not be surprised if their current governors got caught up in this shit, I want to say it seems unlikely, but I'm not sure I can say that.
I can also see this bringing in new pressure to end citizen's united because I'm willing to bet that a significant amount of money went through shell corporations put together by the company at the heart of this and those companies then used the various bullshit methods that can shield their identity with various superPAC donations.
I also think this is going have some impact on the US elections in the fall, this is too big and there is enough there, that it's virtually impossible for there to be no US involvement. I think we're going to see some sitting US officials and former ones going to jail because of this. I'm also willing to bet we're going to see a disproportionate amount of involvement from the republican party on this. First, it's the party that rails against taxes, so by default, they're going to have more of the rich assholes that would utilize Mossack Fonseca's services. Second, where the party has gone lately, I'm willing to bet there also going to have the lion's share of individuals that would utilize Mossack Fonseca's services for other shitty activities that benefit from money laundering, that's not to say there won't be any democrats involved because we're talking about organization made up of humans, which are going to have their flaws and bad actors.
From a US perspective, I'm glad this came up in an election year for us. Given the implications here, it seems very unlikely that the media will be allowed to ignore this because even if there are no elected officials getting caught up in this, I think that's unlikely. It's still very strong evidence against the current regulatory policies pushed by the republican party and is a very good case of why, we want to get as much money as possible out of politics.
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It's Sunday. We'll see if it picks up tomorrow.
But that just goes to prove how obviously the press is in the pocket of GEORGE SOROS and controlled by BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.
More seriously, it's probably just going to be some two-bit Ponzi Scheme artists stealing from NYC's elderly.
I seriously hope Trump is in there.
I doubt it but still....
Doesn't the president normally use a blind trust in the hopes of preventing major conflicts of interest or at least the appearance of it?
Washington Post has an article. Got some from Reuters. NYT has it on the front page too.
It's a crime because their confidential documents were stolen and leaked out without permission from the company or their clients.
However, what they were doing is fucking gross so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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The international version of the NYT has it. The domestic version... oh no that's not important enough.
He's somewhere around 10 million. Though that'll at least triple the day he signs a contract to write his memoirs.
"Thousands killed in earthquake" vs "3 Americans killed in earthquake, thousands of others also killed."
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
What difference does it make to American readers that David Cameron's dad had an offshore account
And, well, Putin being corrupt is hardly news, we already knew that
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Edit: It's not exactly a shock that rich people are dodging taxes, sure, but it is a huge story that we have evidence on it with so many high profile/powerful people, and what we've seen so far is just the tip of the iceberg--not just of tax dodging, obviously, but of the actual leak itself. Plenty more incoming.
Still the top article on the World section of NYT domestic.
Putin stuff tied to this is still on the front page of Washpo you just have to scroll down.
Reuters in their latest headline ticker has the Aussie's looking into tax evasion from the papers.
The 24 hour channels continue to be full of stupid. But I tend to not go to them for news.
And of course it is on BBC and such outlets.
Not seeing it in the Yomiuri though. But that was a quick glance.
Unless they plan to package the U.S. revelations as a separate bombshell. The early stories establish the context, then later stories hit big figures since the public understands what it is they are denying.
Australian commercial news seems to be running it as well, albeit not to the same detail.
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It finally hit the media tonight, but it is very interesting how long both the Washington Post and New York Times took to acknowledge it. Even then, The Post has it way down on the front page, with the headline about Putin, and I found the NY Times article on Google News not the front page.
This..This is going to cause a lot of much needed upheaval.
Not really, it's not easy in the US and the US is very aggressive, especially under Obama, in sniffing these out internationally. Obama/Clinton even got the Swiss to open their books. It's an advantage of being the financial capital of the world, the world's biggest economy and the world's only superpower.
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I feel like I've said that about a dozen stories over the past decade or more. Nothing has changed so far.
I'm not trying to just be a defeatest asshole, either. It's just frustration talking.
Its the kind of thing he likes...
I imagine Oliver is salivating over the story, while simultaneously being sickened by it.
People will go to prison over this. It's documented evidence of fraud conducted through Western firms. Putin and the dictators are fine, but there are a lot of wealthy people in the West who spent the day frantically calling their attorneys.
"You mean I have to sit on this for a week? Fuck you!"
My point was that its pretty easy to setup an anonymous company inside the US. So, although I'm sure there are plenty of Americans hiding ownership and assets via offshore vehicles, you can also do that via an anonymous American company further shielding your ownership. Or at least that was my impression.
screw monetary punishments.
Bastards should be in jail.
Maybe if the IRS were funded properly I'd be less cynical with this ending well.
Why not both?
Doesn't help that half the political power in the country does whatever it can to undermine it.
But this is verging on a separate topic.
Well, maybe no Americans will go to jail over this (if it's just some rando Ponzi scheme guys, though, yeah I bet they'll get jail time).
but lots of those rich guys in Iceland are very likely to get into deep deep trouble. As was said earlier, Iceland was one of the few countries during the credit crisis that had very little tolerance for people who dicked around with securities, and a lot of those former millionaire playboys went to jail (probably because of how hard hit Iceland's banks were. The whole country almost went bankrupt).
EDIT: Also, I constantly get Greenland and Iceland mixed-up in my head, which is exactly what the dickhead Vikings who named the countries wanted.
Fuck those assholes.
I'm betting we're going to see a case of lots of rich assholes, that probably bitch about taxes being theft, getting outed. I hope when they do out the assholes, they mentioned just how much they paid to evade taxes, I figure it's probably going to be a sum that most people take two years to make in income. I figure that's a good way to prevent any misplaced sympathy from people that buy into the whole BS talking point of taxes being theft, is to remind them that there are wealthy, free-loading assholes that are dropping money that exceeds their yearly income into services designed to violate the law.
As for major implications. Given the nature really shady and corrupt companies, I expect we'll see some individuals in those state government's getting named. Of interest is Wisconsin and Florida, given some of the shit I've seen out of those two states, I wouldn't not be surprised if their current governors got caught up in this shit, I want to say it seems unlikely, but I'm not sure I can say that.
I can also see this bringing in new pressure to end citizen's united because I'm willing to bet that a significant amount of money went through shell corporations put together by the company at the heart of this and those companies then used the various bullshit methods that can shield their identity with various superPAC donations.
I also think this is going have some impact on the US elections in the fall, this is too big and there is enough there, that it's virtually impossible for there to be no US involvement. I think we're going to see some sitting US officials and former ones going to jail because of this. I'm also willing to bet we're going to see a disproportionate amount of involvement from the republican party on this. First, it's the party that rails against taxes, so by default, they're going to have more of the rich assholes that would utilize Mossack Fonseca's services. Second, where the party has gone lately, I'm willing to bet there also going to have the lion's share of individuals that would utilize Mossack Fonseca's services for other shitty activities that benefit from money laundering, that's not to say there won't be any democrats involved because we're talking about organization made up of humans, which are going to have their flaws and bad actors.
From a US perspective, I'm glad this came up in an election year for us. Given the implications here, it seems very unlikely that the media will be allowed to ignore this because even if there are no elected officials getting caught up in this, I think that's unlikely. It's still very strong evidence against the current regulatory policies pushed by the republican party and is a very good case of why, we want to get as much money as possible out of politics.
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Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.