I think the Osh-Tek should be related to Kotal, perhaps his younger brother
I just had an idea. Neil McDonough seems like he'd be perfect for this, but who would he play?
Go with me here...
Quan Chi
Yeah
yeah
This entire season of Arrow has been his audition tape.
The best part is anyone can do it because of the makeup
So, I know in the past Quan Chi has been portrayed as having this deep, slow voice that rolls out of him.
But if we got someone like McDonough to portray him I'd almost like to see him do Quan Chi akin to James Woods' version of Hades.
He can still be a necromantic Oni from hell, but he can also be this kind of sleazy/skrummy car-salesman of a demon who masks his deceptions through a fast talking guise.
I think the Osh-Tek should be related to Kotal, perhaps his younger brother
I just had an idea. Neil McDonough seems like he'd be perfect for this, but who would he play?
Go with me here...
Quan Chi
Yeah
yeah
This entire season of Arrow has been his audition tape.
The best part is anyone can do it because of the makeup
So, I know in the past Quan Chi has been portrayed as having this deep, slow voice that rolls out of him.
But if we got someone like McDonough to portray him I'd almost like to see him do Quan Chi akin to James Woods' version of Hades.
He can still be a necromantic Oni from hell, but he can also be this kind of sleazy/skrummy car-salesman of a demon who masks his deceptions through a fast talking guise.
Thoughts?
I don't have a huge attachment to quan chi honestly, but he is BASICALLY Renfeld, right?
......yah. Yah ok. I was thinking about Quan Chi but I didn't want anyone to get fussy about possible whitewashing, or typecasting since he was already doing Dahrk.
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johnny is almost the most interesting character to me because you can give him the whole "selfish jackass suddenly has a tremendous weight of responsibility placed on his shoulders and steps up like a fuckin boss"
but you could do that for any character, the ol' "learning to be selfless for the greater good" thing or whatever.
i think one of the interesting themes from the newest game is that, no, just because outworld is populated by crazy as monsters and magic doesn't mean everyone there is evil, people are alike everywhere. they just wanna hang out and eat some dinner and not be murdered terribly by a guy with sword-hands.
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So @Chincymcchilla, a while back one of my roommates had his birthday and my best friend & I got him a new PlayStation 4 controller.
And as his actual birthday evening began to come to an end we asked him if there was anything else he wanted us to do.
He commanded ever so simply that my best friend was to beat the rest of Arkham Origins and that I was to beat the rest of Mortal Kombat X's story mode.
So we watched as Arkham Origins was beaten and then it was my turn to beat Mortal Kombat X, and while it didn't take a super long time I hadn't played the game in some time so it took a bit.
And every time I died my roommate would just utter, "Do it again. You don't get to quit." And I'd ask, "Why??? Why is this your birthday request!?!?"
"I want to see you fail, fail a spectacular amount."
Well cliche and everything, but "Looks can be deceiving" or "don't judge a book by its cover" is a good one for this first movie
You have unexpected friendship in weird places
You could even play up Shang Tseung as maybe really charming at first and then reveal that he's a monster to emphasize this
And if we change Kano to a more Han Solo-ish type then yeah the guy with the evil red eye isn't so bad works in there too
A literal Skull Man giving Cage some begrudging respect also
@Chincymcchilla I don't know if you or @Zonugal have read any of the more recent Disney Star Wars comics, but for Kano I was thinking less Han Solo and more Dr. Aphra, who aside from being female is a bit like evil Indiana Jones if instead of archaeology he dealt exclusively in finding and selling rare and sometimes ancient weapons to the highest bidder
Well cliche and everything, but "Looks can be deceiving" or "don't judge a book by its cover" is a good one for this first movie
You have unexpected friendship in weird places
You could even play up Shang Tseung as maybe really charming at first and then reveal that he's a monster to emphasize this
And if we change Kano to a more Han Solo-ish type then yeah the guy with the evil red eye isn't so bad works in there too
A literal Skull Man giving Cage some begrudging respect also
@Chincymcchilla I don't know if you or @Zonugal have read any of the more recent Disney Star Wars comics, but for Kano I was thinking less Han Solo and more Dr. Aphra, who aside from being female is a bit like evil Indiana Jones if instead of archaeology he dealt exclusively in finding and selling rare and sometimes ancient weapons to the highest bidder
Also, charisma out the wazoo
She's not a badguy, but she works for them
Yeah that would work, I didn't think full blown hero, just not the evil asshole he is right now cause to me he's sort of boring that way
Zonugal(He/Him) The Holiday ArmadilloI'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered Userregular
So, regarding themes, here is what I think:
I think the central theme of the movie should be humanity and what that means.
Raiden has been protector of Earthrealm but truly doesn't understand humanity, how could he? So he's been choosing champions who he sees as strong on their own, but he's never seen them as a cohesive force. For a being who sees the forest instead of the trees, he misses humanity's greatest strength: teamwork.
So the last battle between Liu Kang and Goro, Liu should only be able to win by working together with Johnny & Sonya. Maybe Sonya does some quick investigating for any weaknesses to the Shokan & helps Liu with assessing the battle-grounds for tactical advantages. Meanwhile during the battle Johnny just heckles the fuck out of Goro to keep him distracted/flustered.
For individual themes/moral lessons I'd say:
Liu Kang learns that being groomed to be the hero doesn't make you the hero, you still have to earn that. You have to earn it through noble, virtuous acts, not martial conquests. This is Liu's central struggle.
Sonya Blade learns that vengeance clouds our hearts & minds, and truly poisons the well when it comes to solving problems. Her central struggle is controlling all of her anger/passion.
Johnny Cage learns that well sometimes you have to fake it to make it. Sometimes being a hero is just lying to yourself, tricking yourself into making those right choices. His central struggle is his own fear/self-doubt.
And Raiden learns that the best way for humanity to protect itself is to let them be a voice in their own battles.
I think the central theme of the movie should be humanity and what that means.
Raiden has been protector of Earthrealm but truly doesn't understand humanity, how could he? So he's been choosing champions who he sees as strong on their own, but he's never seen them as a cohesive force. For a being who sees the forest instead of the trees, he misses humanity's greatest strength: teamwork.
So the last battle between Liu Kang and Goro, Liu should only be able to win by working together with Johnny & Sonya. Maybe Sonya does some quick investigating for any weaknesses to the Shokan & helps Liu with assessing the battle-grounds for tactical advantages. Meanwhile during the battle Johnny just heckles the fuck out of Goro to keep him distracted/flustered.
For individual themes/moral lessons I'd say:
Liu Kang learns that being groomed to be the hero doesn't make you the hero, you still have to earn that. You have to earn it through noble, virtuous acts, not martial conquests. This is Liu's central struggle.
Sonya Blade learns that vengeance clouds our hearts & minds, and truly poisons the well when it comes to solving problems. Her central struggle is controlling all of her anger/passion.
Johnny Cage learns that well sometimes you have to fake it to make it. Sometimes being a hero is just lying to yourself, tricking yourself into making those right choices. His central struggle is his own fear/self-doubt.
And Raiden learns that the best way for humanity to protect itself is to let them be a voice in their own battles.
Eh?
This is all good. In addition, Kano fails each of these challenges
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I think the central theme of the movie should be humanity and what that means.
Raiden has been protector of Earthrealm but truly doesn't understand humanity, how could he? So he's been choosing champions who he sees as strong on their own, but he's never seen them as a cohesive force. For a being who sees the forest instead of the trees, he misses humanity's greatest strength: teamwork.
So the last battle between Liu Kang and Goro, Liu should only be able to win by working together with Johnny & Sonya. Maybe Sonya does some quick investigating for any weaknesses to the Shokan & helps Liu with assessing the battle-grounds for tactical advantages. Meanwhile during the battle Johnny just heckles the fuck out of Goro to keep him distracted/flustered.
For individual themes/moral lessons I'd say:
Liu Kang learns that being groomed to be the hero doesn't make you the hero, you still have to earn that. You have to earn it through noble, virtuous acts, not martial conquests. This is Liu's central struggle.
Sonya Blade learns that vengeance clouds our hearts & minds, and truly poisons the well when it comes to solving problems. Her central struggle is controlling all of her anger/passion.
Johnny Cage learns that well sometimes you have to fake it to make it. Sometimes being a hero is just lying to yourself, tricking yourself into making those right choices. His central struggle is his own fear/self-doubt.
And Raiden learns that the best way for humanity to protect itself is to let them be a voice in their own battles.
Eh?
This is all good. In addition, Kano fails each of these challenges
Awww yeah! Lets have Kano represent all three of our central protagonists failures.
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Zonugal(He/Him) The Holiday ArmadilloI'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered Userregular
Meanwhile during the battle Johnny just heckles the fuck out of Goro to keep him distracted/flustered.
I hope this leads to Goro once again crushing Johnny's favorite sunglasses
I just want an exchange like:
Liu Kang: I'll fight Goro. I'll step into that ring but without your aid I may not step out. Sonya Blade: I'll dig up something on whatever the hell that thing is, he has to have a weak spot. Johnny Cage: And I'll distract him... Liu Kang: What? Sonya Blade: How? Johnny Cage: During the nineties I tried my hand at stand-up comedy. I know how to heckle, I know what words hurt...
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does kano get some kind of tragic, humanising backstory or is he just a butthole?
honestly i've always wondered about him. like, what the hell lead kano to the road he's on? nobody's born a shitty criminal arms dealer, that shit is incremental.
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Zonugal(He/Him) The Holiday ArmadilloI'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered Userregular
does kano get some kind of tragic, humanising backstory or is he just a butthole?
honestly i've always wondered about him. like, what the hell lead kano to the road he's on? nobody's born a shitty criminal arms dealer, that shit is incremental.
I think, if warranted, you explore that in Sonya's film.
If I had to think up a backstory for Kano I'd say he was born in a rough situation and the only safe choice was crime, and so he places a lot of loyalty on his vile comrades.
So yeah Kano is a an asshole but he's loyal to a fault with his own men, which is why he learns of Kabal's betrayal it cuts him deep.
The thing I like most about what does "humanity" mean
Is that you can tie it into what I said about not judging people by how they first appear/act
Scorpion is Hanso Hasashi. He is as human as they come, but he has lost that humanity and needs help to regain it
The Link Kuei trade away their humanity to be better fighters and Sub Zero 2 recognizes how wrong that is and fights against it
And you see humanity in KoTal kahn and other 'monsters' who, though their morals aren't exactly the same as humans, do genuinely want better lives for their people
Humanity as an overarching theme, what makes people good, can go to nearly every one of these stories
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This entire season of Arrow has been his audition tape.
The best part is anyone can do it because of the makeup
So, I know in the past Quan Chi has been portrayed as having this deep, slow voice that rolls out of him.
But if we got someone like McDonough to portray him I'd almost like to see him do Quan Chi akin to James Woods' version of Hades.
He can still be a necromantic Oni from hell, but he can also be this kind of sleazy/skrummy car-salesman of a demon who masks his deceptions through a fast talking guise.
Thoughts?
I don't have a huge attachment to quan chi honestly, but he is BASICALLY Renfeld, right?
So... yeah, that seems like it would work find
He's not even asian-coded like the outworld populace
I say we move onto deciding what themes we want this 1st film to cover. What lessons are we attempting to teach? What message are we communicating?
Well cliche and everything, but "Looks can be deceiving" or "don't judge a book by its cover" is a good one for this first movie
You have unexpected friendship in weird places
You could even play up Shang Tseung as maybe really charming at first and then reveal that he's a monster to emphasize this
And if we change Kano to a more Han Solo-ish type then yeah the guy with the evil red eye isn't so bad works in there too
A literal Skull Man giving Cage some begrudging respect also
but you could do that for any character, the ol' "learning to be selfless for the greater good" thing or whatever.
i think one of the interesting themes from the newest game is that, no, just because outworld is populated by crazy as monsters and magic doesn't mean everyone there is evil, people are alike everywhere. they just wanna hang out and eat some dinner and not be murdered terribly by a guy with sword-hands.
And as his actual birthday evening began to come to an end we asked him if there was anything else he wanted us to do.
He commanded ever so simply that my best friend was to beat the rest of Arkham Origins and that I was to beat the rest of Mortal Kombat X's story mode.
So we watched as Arkham Origins was beaten and then it was my turn to beat Mortal Kombat X, and while it didn't take a super long time I hadn't played the game in some time so it took a bit.
And every time I died my roommate would just utter, "Do it again. You don't get to quit." And I'd ask, "Why??? Why is this your birthday request!?!?"
"I want to see you fail, fail a spectacular amount."
Just another tale from The House of Zonugal
@Chincymcchilla I don't know if you or @Zonugal have read any of the more recent Disney Star Wars comics, but for Kano I was thinking less Han Solo and more Dr. Aphra, who aside from being female is a bit like evil Indiana Jones if instead of archaeology he dealt exclusively in finding and selling rare and sometimes ancient weapons to the highest bidder
Also, charisma out the wazoo
She's not a badguy, but she works for them
Yeah that would work, I didn't think full blown hero, just not the evil asshole he is right now cause to me he's sort of boring that way
At the moment I was thinking of Kano as a mix of Statham's character from Fast & Furious 7 and Sterling from Leverage.
minus the Mortal Kombat theme of course.
do you
do you update the mortal kombat theme
I mean, why would I?
The Immortals got it down, how do you improve upon perfection???
I don't understand why its never been in one of the games
I have to imagine its either locked up for no one's use or it'd be really inexpensive.
Orchestral definitely isn't right. I'm thinking a bit synth-y to match the theme, but that may put off audiences
Disasterpiece doing his best "get you pumped" jams
I think a mix of orchestral, synth/electronica & synth-orchestral is probably a good path.
Would you have some kind of more ninja-ey theme for the ninjas, rock for the Cages, etc?
CAGE FAMILY THEME
Everyone else should have some variety of the synth/orchestral series and than boom!
Cage is here with his train wreck of a theme song.
A cage family theme that has slightly different motifs for johnny, sonya, and cassie
Also, a pony
I think the central theme of the movie should be humanity and what that means.
Raiden has been protector of Earthrealm but truly doesn't understand humanity, how could he? So he's been choosing champions who he sees as strong on their own, but he's never seen them as a cohesive force. For a being who sees the forest instead of the trees, he misses humanity's greatest strength: teamwork.
So the last battle between Liu Kang and Goro, Liu should only be able to win by working together with Johnny & Sonya. Maybe Sonya does some quick investigating for any weaknesses to the Shokan & helps Liu with assessing the battle-grounds for tactical advantages. Meanwhile during the battle Johnny just heckles the fuck out of Goro to keep him distracted/flustered.
For individual themes/moral lessons I'd say:
Liu Kang learns that being groomed to be the hero doesn't make you the hero, you still have to earn that. You have to earn it through noble, virtuous acts, not martial conquests. This is Liu's central struggle.
Sonya Blade learns that vengeance clouds our hearts & minds, and truly poisons the well when it comes to solving problems. Her central struggle is controlling all of her anger/passion.
Johnny Cage learns that well sometimes you have to fake it to make it. Sometimes being a hero is just lying to yourself, tricking yourself into making those right choices. His central struggle is his own fear/self-doubt.
And Raiden learns that the best way for humanity to protect itself is to let them be a voice in their own battles.
Eh?
I hope this leads to Goro once again crushing Johnny's favorite sunglasses
"YOU'RE NOT A REAL HERO JOHNNY CAGE"
"Yeah dude I know that's that I keep telling fuckin Zeus over here, I just want a chai latte and a massage."
This is all good. In addition, Kano fails each of these challenges
Awww yeah! Lets have Kano represent all three of our central protagonists failures.
I just want an exchange like:
honestly i've always wondered about him. like, what the hell lead kano to the road he's on? nobody's born a shitty criminal arms dealer, that shit is incremental.
I think, if warranted, you explore that in Sonya's film.
If I had to think up a backstory for Kano I'd say he was born in a rough situation and the only safe choice was crime, and so he places a lot of loyalty on his vile comrades.
So yeah Kano is a an asshole but he's loyal to a fault with his own men, which is why he learns of Kabal's betrayal it cuts him deep.
Johnny Cage is whatever we need him to be.
That is his gift to us.
ACTING!
Is that you can tie it into what I said about not judging people by how they first appear/act
Scorpion is Hanso Hasashi. He is as human as they come, but he has lost that humanity and needs help to regain it
The Link Kuei trade away their humanity to be better fighters and Sub Zero 2 recognizes how wrong that is and fights against it
And you see humanity in KoTal kahn and other 'monsters' who, though their morals aren't exactly the same as humans, do genuinely want better lives for their people
Humanity as an overarching theme, what makes people good, can go to nearly every one of these stories
I want honor to be something beyond your standard hokey-symbolism bullshit in films.
I want honor to be a universal language. If you don't understand someone's culture, something's biology, you can still read their honor.
You can still gauge their integrity and courage.
I love it
It helps explain how cross dimensional alliances with people who have completely alien cultures can form alliances