You're talking about the kryptonians who aren't fully superpowered yet? I don't think they do shit to superman, but kryptonians artifically limited by their atmospheric conditions? Sure.
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Eeeh, they were stronger than human there, but they still had their energy shielded suits on, they weren't breathing the atmosphere, they weren't up to Superman strength yet. Faora just started levelling up at the end, when she got a headache.
I am not sure sure they'd be able to do much to Superman.
Superman is weak to magic, but, ultimately, Superman's powers are still derived from the yellow sun and his Kryptonian physiology. Flames would do nothing to him since they're just magically conjured fire.
The sword might, assuming Superman has a soul (not sure if that's canon?)
This post made me realize the one hope in defeating Superman is Mr. Burns
You're talking about the kryptonians who aren't fully superpowered yet? I don't think they do shit to superman, but kryptonians artifically limited by their atmospheric conditions? Sure.
They're super power enough that we can know they're not invincible gods.
Eeeh, they were stronger than human there, but they still had their energy shielded suits on, they weren't breathing the atmosphere, they weren't up to Superman strength yet. Faora just started levelling up at the end, when she got a headache.
Faora was wrecking Superman's shit in the suit. He's lucky she never got fully powered up.
it would be kind of weird if missles hurt superman though
like.. at what point is he even "super" if that shit did anything to him.
Bombs apparently don't hurt him
He can still be super, if he didn't have weaknesses or upper limits he'd be super boring. It'd drain the tension out of every movie he's in. They had to seriously make him dumber in B vs S for Lex to pose a threat.
Yeah and it knocked him the fuck out! With no magic, and in space so he was in direct sunlight. So with enough force, you can hurt him.
Sure, it hurt him. Drained him, maybe. Knocked him unconscious for a while.
But that was after he was being beaten on for a while by a creature nearly as strong as he is. And that after he was being beaten by a Batman who'd taken the time to prepare.
Superman took all that and was knocked out. For a handful of minutes.
After he finished sunbathing, he came back to earth, picked up the kryptonite spear and killed Doomsday with it.
I think I've got the order of events more or less correct there.
So, no, I don't think fire guy's going to have much luck trying to toast Superman unless he's got a lot more juice in him than the trailers lead us to believe.
Now I wonder if a pedantic nerd argument could be made that if you nuked Superman, it not only wouldn't hurt him, it would make him stronger. As long as the proper type of fusion reaction.
One of the things I really liked about DCAU Superman, especially toward the beginning, was that not only could he be hurt, he could be surprised. He could make mistakes. (Like when he tries to catch a plane by the tail, ends up ripping it off, and mutters "Nice one, Clark" as he tosses it aside and flies after the rest.) Villains semi-regularly got the drop on him with new powers and things he hadn't encountered before.
But. He's not stupid, nor unperceptive. (Investigative reporter, don't ya know.) The second or third time someone tried that same trick? He'd usually come up with some way to avoid it, or reverse it, and hand them their ass.
What gets me about the Suicide Squad trailer is the guy at the beginning pitching the initiative as an answer to Superman.
Like Superman wouldn't just tear them all to pieces in an instant.
But Superman isn't a kil...wait, we're in the Snyderverse, never mind.
*sigh* I wonder how long we'll have to wait for a reboot. At least a decade, right? To bad we'll be losing Suicide Squad, Jeremy Iron's Alfred, Wonder Woman and Batman (aside from the murdering and the killing).
What gets me about the Suicide Squad trailer is the guy at the beginning pitching the initiative as an answer to Superman.
Like Superman wouldn't just tear them all to pieces in an instant.
But Superman isn't a kil...wait, we're in the Snyderverse, never mind.
*sigh* I wonder how long we'll have to wait for a reboot. At least a decade, right? To bad we'll be losing Suicide Squad, Jeremy Iron's Alfred, Wonder Woman and Batman (aside from the murdering and the killing).
They could keep the actors and explain this one away with crisis on infinte earths type stuff.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
What gets me about the Suicide Squad trailer is the guy at the beginning pitching the initiative as an answer to Superman.
Like Superman wouldn't just tear them all to pieces in an instant.
But Superman isn't a kil...wait, we're in the Snyderverse, never mind.
*sigh* I wonder how long we'll have to wait for a reboot. At least a decade, right? To bad we'll be losing Suicide Squad, Jeremy Iron's Alfred, Wonder Woman and Batman (aside from the murdering and the killing).
They could keep the actors and explain this one away with crisis on infinte earths type stuff.
If it happens it'll be a first, which is a shame since I like the actors. Cavill and Adams have been so badly used in these movies, in particular.
I am not sure sure they'd be able to do much to Superman.
Superman is weak to magic, but, ultimately, Superman's powers are still derived from the yellow sun and his Kryptonian physiology. Flames would do nothing to him since they're just magically conjured fire.
The sword might, assuming Superman has a soul (not sure if that's canon?)
This post made me realize the one hope in defeating Superman is Mr. Burns
So the next movie is the ultimate team up of Superman and Maggie Simpson vs Batman and Mr. Burns? Not sure it would be any worse.
I feel like the answer to "can X beat Y" is always like well, yeah if they write it decently.
In the case of Suicide Squad it'd involve all sorts of extra shit, probably. At which point, why not just have people with guns/tech/kryptonite? Like what does Harley Quinn specifically contribute that a random mook with a gun would not?
If I was going to write it, a big part would be about how the plan for the handlers is for Superman to tear through them as part of some overarching plot to simultaneously get rid of the Squad and maybe like... force Superman to kill? Make him do something that would cause people to hate him somehow? Something sinister and blackmaily and predicated on the Suicide part of the Squad and a misunderstanding of the character of Superman derived from an overwhelming cynicism.
Then they succeed via a plucky unlikely combination of their unique points of view and seemingly innocuous powers, not in killing Superman but in getting him down. Then somehow he figures it out, and he decides to help them out against Waller/the handlers in some manner, and maybe when he leaves you can see that they're uncomfortably inspired by his example despite brushing off the events.
If I was going to write it, a big part would be about how the plan for the handlers is for Superman to tear through them as part of some overarching plot to simultaneously get rid of the Squad and maybe like... force Superman to kill? Make him do something that would cause people to hate him somehow? Something sinister and blackmaily and predicated on the Suicide part of the Squad and a misunderstanding of the character of Superman derived from an overwhelming cynicism.
That's the easiest thing to do with this Superman. All you need is to have him appear near someone who he thinks is a bad guy.
B vs S spoilers
I can't believe the first line Superman says to Lex is threatening to "break him." Holy shit.
If I was going to write it, a big part would be about how the plan for the handlers is for Superman to tear through them as part of some overarching plot to simultaneously get rid of the Squad and maybe like... force Superman to kill? Make him do something that would cause people to hate him somehow? Something sinister and blackmaily and predicated on the Suicide part of the Squad and a misunderstanding of the character of Superman derived from an overwhelming cynicism.
That's the easiest thing to do with this Superman. All you need is to have him appear near someone who he thinks is a bad guy.
B vs S spoilers
I can't believe the first line Superman says to Lex is threatening to "break him." Holy shit.
I kind of remember Superman in Lois in Clark doing something similar. Though not quite so... forward. But definitely an ominous thing.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
If I was going to write it, a big part would be about how the plan for the handlers is for Superman to tear through them as part of some overarching plot to simultaneously get rid of the Squad and maybe like... force Superman to kill? Make him do something that would cause people to hate him somehow? Something sinister and blackmaily and predicated on the Suicide part of the Squad and a misunderstanding of the character of Superman derived from an overwhelming cynicism.
That's the easiest thing to do with this Superman. All you need is to have him appear near someone who he thinks is a bad guy.
B vs S spoilers
I can't believe the first line Superman says to Lex is threatening to "break him." Holy shit.
I kind of remember Superman in Lois in Clark doing something similar. Though not quite so... forward. But definitely an ominous thing.
When the Penny Arcade Forums can't be swayed by Bohemian Rhapsody and Ballroom Blitz, you know you fucked up.
I enjoy this incarnation of DC immensely but the endless flow of negativity makes getting involved in the thread frustrating. I think we need a "Bash DC Movies" thread, it would be nice to actually talk and discuss this stuff without relentless sarcasm and bashing.
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When the Penny Arcade Forums can't be swayed by Bohemian Rhapsody and Ballroom Blitz, you know you fucked up.
I enjoy this incarnation of DC immensely but the endless flow of negativity makes getting involved in the thread frustrating. I think we need a "Bash DC Movies" thread, it would be nice to actually talk and discuss this stuff without relentless sarcasm and bashing.
We've been bashing some movies, but not all of it - the problem is we don't have much faith that they'll deliver what we like. You may enjoy it, I don't know why. Personally, I prefer a Superman who isn't a psychopath who makes MurderBats look rational. This isn't fun for us either, we are DC fans.
I'm waiting for the first movie that isn't dreary decouloured and drab but instead light and colourful and suddenly Supes becomes all cheery and much more powerful because finally he gets some sun.
I definitely have more faith in David Ayer since he is a much better writer and director than Zack Snyder. Even if Suicide Squad is extremely dark and gritty, Ayer could probably make it work since that is his style.
When the Penny Arcade Forums can't be swayed by Bohemian Rhapsody and Ballroom Blitz, you know you fucked up.
I enjoy this incarnation of DC immensely but the endless flow of negativity makes getting involved in the thread frustrating. I think we need a "Bash DC Movies" thread, it would be nice to actually talk and discuss this stuff without relentless sarcasm and bashing.
We've been bashing some movies, but not all of it - the problem is we don't have much faith that they'll deliver what we like. You may enjoy it, I don't know why. Personally, I prefer a Superman who isn't a psychopath who makes MurderBats look rational. This isn't fun for us either, we are DC fans.
Huh, was watching some of the old kevin smith dialogs about working on certain movies, and something familiar popped up...
When the Penny Arcade Forums can't be swayed by Bohemian Rhapsody and Ballroom Blitz, you know you fucked up.
I enjoy this incarnation of DC immensely but the endless flow of negativity makes getting involved in the thread frustrating. I think we need a "Bash DC Movies" thread, it would be nice to actually talk and discuss this stuff without relentless sarcasm and bashing.
We've been bashing some movies, but not all of it - the problem is we don't have much faith that they'll deliver what we like. You may enjoy it, I don't know why. Personally, I prefer a Superman who isn't a psychopath who makes MurderBats look rational. This isn't fun for us either, we are DC fans.
Indeed, as an old school DC fan, I hate the direction the company has taken the last odd decade or so. I'll dance a happy jig when the likes of Zach Snyder and Dan Didio are no longer working for them. They are a poison inside WB/DC.
I'm easily one of the biggest bashers of DC's movies because I find that the movies are poorly written, drab in color, waste good talent, screw around needlessly with the fundamentals of the characters and probably a dozen other things I can't think of at the moment other then how I'd rather hit myself in the right testicle with a tack hammer then watch one more fucking batman movie.
But that having been said, no one would be happier to see good movies come out from DC then me.
I think what he's saying is that for the people who actually do enjoy these films as they are (these people clearly exist) this thread is an unfriendly place. Which, you know, is true.
But this is debate and discourse not fanwank central it's not really the purpose of this sub-forum to segregate negative and positive opinions into separate threads. Like, at all. So I don't see a remedy, at least not within D&D.
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This post made me realize the one hope in defeating Superman is Mr. Burns
like.. at what point is he even "super" if that shit did anything to him.
Bombs apparently don't hurt him
They're super power enough that we can know they're not invincible gods.
B vs S spoilers
Faora was wrecking Superman's shit in the suit. He's lucky she never got fully powered up.
He can still be super, if he didn't have weaknesses or upper limits he'd be super boring. It'd drain the tension out of every movie he's in. They had to seriously make him dumber in B vs S for Lex to pose a threat.
Best batman related thing ever.
Yeah and it knocked him the fuck out! With no magic, and in space so he was in direct sunlight. So with enough force, you can hurt him.
Sure, it hurt him. Drained him, maybe. Knocked him unconscious for a while.
But that was after he was being beaten on for a while by a creature nearly as strong as he is. And that after he was being beaten by a Batman who'd taken the time to prepare.
Superman took all that and was knocked out. For a handful of minutes.
I think I've got the order of events more or less correct there.
So, no, I don't think fire guy's going to have much luck trying to toast Superman unless he's got a lot more juice in him than the trailers lead us to believe.
And he was not in line of sight of the sun. That's a key point of the movie.
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I see your Batdance and raise you a piece of music written by someone who had never even heard of Batman.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Now I wonder if a pedantic nerd argument could be made that if you nuked Superman, it not only wouldn't hurt him, it would make him stronger. As long as the proper type of fusion reaction.
But. He's not stupid, nor unperceptive. (Investigative reporter, don't ya know.) The second or third time someone tried that same trick? He'd usually come up with some way to avoid it, or reverse it, and hand them their ass.
But Superman isn't a kil...wait, we're in the Snyderverse, never mind.
*sigh* I wonder how long we'll have to wait for a reboot. At least a decade, right? To bad we'll be losing Suicide Squad, Jeremy Iron's Alfred, Wonder Woman and Batman (aside from the murdering and the killing).
They could keep the actors and explain this one away with crisis on infinte earths type stuff.
If it happens it'll be a first, which is a shame since I like the actors. Cavill and Adams have been so badly used in these movies, in particular.
So the next movie is the ultimate team up of Superman and Maggie Simpson vs Batman and Mr. Burns? Not sure it would be any worse.
oh my god
In the case of Suicide Squad it'd involve all sorts of extra shit, probably. At which point, why not just have people with guns/tech/kryptonite? Like what does Harley Quinn specifically contribute that a random mook with a gun would not?
If I was going to write it, a big part would be about how the plan for the handlers is for Superman to tear through them as part of some overarching plot to simultaneously get rid of the Squad and maybe like... force Superman to kill? Make him do something that would cause people to hate him somehow? Something sinister and blackmaily and predicated on the Suicide part of the Squad and a misunderstanding of the character of Superman derived from an overwhelming cynicism.
Then they succeed via a plucky unlikely combination of their unique points of view and seemingly innocuous powers, not in killing Superman but in getting him down. Then somehow he figures it out, and he decides to help them out against Waller/the handlers in some manner, and maybe when he leaves you can see that they're uncomfortably inspired by his example despite brushing off the events.
That's the easiest thing to do with this Superman. All you need is to have him appear near someone who he thinks is a bad guy.
B vs S spoilers
I kind of remember Superman in Lois in Clark doing something similar. Though not quite so... forward. But definitely an ominous thing.
He's aggressive, what I'd expect from a police officer - not too out of line though. *shrug*
Kind of wish Cavill would get the proper superman treatment. Dude's got charisma that would make Superman in the comics look like a robot.
I enjoy this incarnation of DC immensely but the endless flow of negativity makes getting involved in the thread frustrating. I think we need a "Bash DC Movies" thread, it would be nice to actually talk and discuss this stuff without relentless sarcasm and bashing.
I have a particular loathing for this "croc" character
We've been bashing some movies, but not all of it - the problem is we don't have much faith that they'll deliver what we like. You may enjoy it, I don't know why. Personally, I prefer a Superman who isn't a psychopath who makes MurderBats look rational. This isn't fun for us either, we are DC fans.
Why don't you cry about it...
Huh, was watching some of the old kevin smith dialogs about working on certain movies, and something familiar popped up...
Time link didn't work, its at 7:19
Indeed, as an old school DC fan, I hate the direction the company has taken the last odd decade or so. I'll dance a happy jig when the likes of Zach Snyder and Dan Didio are no longer working for them. They are a poison inside WB/DC.
But that having been said, no one would be happier to see good movies come out from DC then me.
But this is debate and discourse not fanwank central it's not really the purpose of this sub-forum to segregate negative and positive opinions into separate threads. Like, at all. So I don't see a remedy, at least not within D&D.