The moral high ground of her character is almost entirely defined by her resistance to something that is already explicitly outlawed in the Seven Kingdoms. Like, she's going back to Westeros to do what, exactly? Slavery already doesn't exist there - it's the entire reason that Jorah Mormont was exiled in the first place.
Contrast that with her inability to get anything lasting done in Essos, and it's unclear why the audience should be cheering for her return as the conquering hero.
Dany is either under the severe delusion that all the common people give two shits about who sits on the throne as long as they aren't being actively murdered and will cheer her arrival and immediately crown her and everyone will be happy (except for the part where everything Dany touches falls apart at the fucking seams)
Or she knows that that's unrealistic and is just going to incinerate everyone who gets between her and an increasingly irrelevant chair made out of swords, which makes her Mad King 2.0 and a ruler of nothing - especially once a million zombies rip the world apart
Either way, I don't know how anyone is rooting for Dany
Queen: Sansa
Hand of the King: Jon Snow
Master of War: Stannis
Master of Coin: Tyrion
Master of Whisperers: Future Arya
Master of Laws: Doran Martell
Master of Ships: Davos
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The financial future was only screwed because of Robert's prodigal spending.
Littlefinger basically WAS the economy, and had crown incomes the highest they had ever been.
I feel like book Littlefinger was portrayed as a legit financial wizard. But wasn't there a scene where show Littlefinger basically said he just borrowed it all?
If show littlefinger isn't a money magician, then that ruins a huge part of his character. And unless it was in season five...then he didn't say that.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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Queen: Sansa
Hand of the King: Jon Snow
Master of War: Stannis
Master of Coin: Tyrion
Master of Whisperers: Future Arya
Master of Laws: Doran Martell
Master of Ships: Davos
A man can dream.
Book Sansa or show Sansa? Because book Sansa would make a terrible absolute monarch. Just the worst.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
The moral high ground of her character is almost entirely defined by her resistance to something that is already explicitly outlawed in the Seven Kingdoms. Like, she's going back to Westeros to do what, exactly? Slavery already doesn't exist there - it's the entire reason that Jorah Mormont was exiled in the first place.
Contrast that with her inability to get anything lasting done in Essos, and it's unclear why the audience should be cheering for her return as the conquering hero.
Dany is either under the severe delusion that all the common people give two shits who sits on the throne as long as they aren't being actively murdered and will cheer her arrival and immediately crown her and everyone will be happy (except for the part where everything Dany touches falls apart at the fucking seams)
Or she knows that that's unrealistic and is just going to incinerate everyone who gets between her and an increasingly irrelevant chair made out of swords, which makes her Mad King 2.0 and a ruler of nothing - especially once a million zombies rip the world apart
Either way, I don't know how anyone is rooting for Dany
It feels so weird because in the book I was 100% in hoping the Sparrows and Faith Militant kill all the highborn and ended fuedalism or at least destroying what's left of the lannisters. But in the show...
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What are the chances that the Bran's Wildfire in KL vision was of the future? I don't remember if the Mad King actually set any fire in the city.
RE: wildfire
the mad king planted the pots with the pyromancers guild all around the city, but they were never detonated
in book 2/season 2, tyrion starts using them for his bomb vs stannis. at one point they say that are 3000 pots ahead of production schedule, and tyrion thinks theyre flubbing the numbers to get paid more
turns out, they found a cache of 1200 stacked underneath the great sept of baelor, under the dragon pit, and under one of the main streets if kings landing
so in all likelyhood there is an atomic bomb hidden under kings landing
What are the chances that the Bran's Wildfire in KL vision was of the future? I don't remember if the Mad King actually set any fire in the city.
RE: wildfire
the mad king planted the pots with the pyromancers guild all around the city, but they were never detonated
in book 2/season 2, tyrion starts using them for his bomb vs stannis. at one point they say that are 3000 pots ahead of production schedule, and tyrion thinks theyre flubbing the numbers to get paid more
turns out, they found a cache of 1200 stacked underneath the great sept of baelor, under the dragon pit, and under one of the main streets if kings landing
so in all likelyhood there is an atomic bomb hidden under kings landing
i think cersei is gonna set it off
Okay, so I remembered correctly that the Mad King didn't set any off. So those flames in the city were from the future.
Okay, Now I'm on board the "Cersei burns the city down" wagon.
I thought the wildfire in the vision was the wildfire that burned um, those two Starks.
edit- just rewatched it and it isn't. So, interesting.
Also of note, a brief glimpse of the red wedding.
I thought the wildfire in the vision was the wildfire that burned um, those two Starks.
edit- just rewatched it and it isn't. So, interesting.
Also of note, a brief glimpse of the red wedding.
No it wasn't.
The explosion of wildfire takes place in an underground tunnel type place. Ned's father was burned alive in the throne room before the entire court, while his brother strangled himself on a snare type device trying to reach for a sword. He'd been told that if he touched it, his father would be spared. If it does happen to be a vision of the past, it's certainly not that event.
And like I said, I'm sure Cersei burns King's Landing. She threatened to burn cities to the ground twice last season alone, and in the books there are a few events that point to it for me, like how her eyes are constantly described as being like wildfire, or her burning the tower of the hand down with wildfire, at which point Jamie thinks how she reminds him of the mad King.
The two parts of the vision that excited me the most are the shadow of a dragon passing over the rooftops of King's Landing and the glimpse of Lyanna's "bed of blood".
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Dream team
Queen: Lady
Hand of the King: Grey Wind
Master of War: Nymeria
Master of Coin: Summer
Master of Whisperers: Ser Ponce
Master of Laws: Ghost
Master of Ships: Shaggydog
I'm pretty much operating under the assumption that ya girl Marge is operating on a level or two above the rest of these idiots.
Don't forget Olenna. I think it's more a case that the men of their House are pretty dim and the women are much smarter and the real power behind it.
Sort of the opposite of the book version of House Lannister.
Tywin was a byword for scheming and strategy, Jamie is pretty canny and quite good at talking his way out of trouble and Tyrion is a master at it, as well as being learned in his own right, probably just shy of Maester level in some subjects. Book Cersei, however, thinks she's a wise woman among fools when she constantly plots her way into corners, panics and makes terrible decisions and generally causes five problems while trying (and failing) to solve one. Show Cersei isn't as bad, but it says something that the entire King's Landing plot this year revolves around the consequences of her horrible decisions last season.
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Book Cersei is the worst.
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No one's going to end up on this throne, let's not be crazy, it's the whole theme of the series
Except Ser Pounce, he will definitely end up on the throne
Maybe not even Ser Pounce. There was that vision early in the show, in the House of the Undying.
Dany walked into the throne room of the Red Keep, but it was all blackened, burned and empty. I think the roof was gone too? I'd have to watch it again to be sure. Anyway the point was the throne was there but there was nothing around to have and nobody left to rule.
Side question: Are Dragons reptiles? Are they cold blooded? I mean they can make fire, but how do they handle cold and snow? I know the books mention
ice dragons, which are supposed to be much, MUCH larger than the fire kind
but is the obvious solution of "have Drogon incinerate the wights" going to be hampered by him hibernating as soon as it snows?
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Well current theories are that dinosaurs are warm blooded, so they don't have to be ectothermic.
Dany walked into the throne room of the Red Keep, but it was all blackened, burned and empty. I think the roof was gone too? I'd have to watch it again to be sure. Anyway the point was the throne was there but there was nothing around to have and nobody left to rule.
You missed the super obvious metaphor:
There was snow on the iron throne.
Snow.
Jon Snow on the iron throne.
I don't really buy into it, but it would make a bit of sense. He's one of the most honorably just leaders left alive.
that Margaery will convince Tommen to be the champion of the Faith Militant
Cersei is responsible for her last child's death when the Mountain squishes him, Marg is the queen of a newfound theocracy, negates Cersei's victory for use of necromancy
or Cersei forces the Mountain to cede, thus proving her guilt and any semblance of power she has is stripped away. Marg wins again, still queen.
I'm starting to doubt Dany as a good ruler. I feel like she's in the wrong mindset for it, and that going in scorching everything to the ground is not going to be effective at all.
She suffers from a fairly large case of the Mission Accomplished Banners and is definitely due for a big surprise when she rolls up on Kings Landing and no one gives a shit about her.
No one's ever going to
not give a shit about three by then full grown dragons.
They are flamethrowing warplanes in a world without gunpowder
that Margaery will convince Tommen to be the champion of the Faith Militant
Cersei is responsible for her last child's death when the Mountain squishes him, Marg is the queen of a newfound theocracy, negates Cersei's victory for use of necromancy
or Cersei forces the Mountain to cede, thus proving her guilt and any semblance of power she has is stripped away. Marg wins again, still queen.
that Margaery will convince Tommen to be the champion of the Faith Militant
Cersei is responsible for her last child's death when the Mountain squishes him, Marg is the queen of a newfound theocracy, negates Cersei's victory for use of necromancy
or Cersei forces the Mountain to cede, thus proving her guilt and any semblance of power she has is stripped away. Marg wins again, still queen.
that Margaery will convince Tommen to be the champion of the Faith Militant
Cersei is responsible for her last child's death when the Mountain squishes him, Marg is the queen of a newfound theocracy, negates Cersei's victory for use of necromancy
or Cersei forces the Mountain to cede, thus proving her guilt and any semblance of power she has is stripped away. Marg wins again, still queen.
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Or she knows that that's unrealistic and is just going to incinerate everyone who gets between her and an increasingly irrelevant chair made out of swords, which makes her Mad King 2.0 and a ruler of nothing - especially once a million zombies rip the world apart
Either way, I don't know how anyone is rooting for Dany
Hand of the King: Jon Snow
Master of War: Stannis
Master of Coin: Tyrion
Master of Whisperers: Future Arya
Master of Laws: Doran Martell
Master of Ships: Davos
A man can dream.
If show littlefinger isn't a money magician, then that ruins a huge part of his character. And unless it was in season five...then he didn't say that.
Book Sansa or show Sansa? Because book Sansa would make a terrible absolute monarch. Just the worst.
Im rooting for her because
If anyone knows how to make dough, it's him.
Although that sounds like a waste of perfectly good pine really.
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RE: wildfire
in book 2/season 2, tyrion starts using them for his bomb vs stannis. at one point they say that are 3000 pots ahead of production schedule, and tyrion thinks theyre flubbing the numbers to get paid more
turns out, they found a cache of 1200 stacked underneath the great sept of baelor, under the dragon pit, and under one of the main streets if kings landing
so in all likelyhood there is an atomic bomb hidden under kings landing
i think cersei is gonna set it off
Okay, Now I'm on board the "Cersei burns the city down" wagon.
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edit- just rewatched it and it isn't. So, interesting.
Also of note, a brief glimpse of the red wedding.
No it wasn't.
And like I said, I'm sure Cersei burns King's Landing. She threatened to burn cities to the ground twice last season alone, and in the books there are a few events that point to it for me, like how her eyes are constantly described as being like wildfire, or her burning the tower of the hand down with wildfire, at which point Jamie thinks how she reminds him of the mad King.
The two parts of the vision that excited me the most are the shadow of a dragon passing over the rooftops of King's Landing and the glimpse of Lyanna's "bed of blood".
Queen: Lady
Hand of the King: Grey Wind
Master of War: Nymeria
Master of Coin: Summer
Master of Whisperers: Ser Ponce
Master of Laws: Ghost
Master of Ships: Shaggydog
Except Ser Pounce, he will definitely end up on the throne
Don't forget Olenna. I think it's more a case that the men of their House are pretty dim and the women are much smarter and the real power behind it.
Sort of the opposite of the book version of House Lannister.
Maybe not even Ser Pounce. There was that vision early in the show, in the House of the Undying.
Side question: Are Dragons reptiles? Are they cold blooded? I mean they can make fire, but how do they handle cold and snow? I know the books mention
but is the obvious solution of "have Drogon incinerate the wights" going to be hampered by him hibernating as soon as it snows?
Satans..... hints.....
You missed the super obvious metaphor:
Snow.
Jon Snow on the iron throne.
Nah, she's the best thing about AFFC.
Cersei is responsible for her last child's death when the Mountain squishes him, Marg is the queen of a newfound theocracy, negates Cersei's victory for use of necromancy
or Cersei forces the Mountain to cede, thus proving her guilt and any semblance of power she has is stripped away. Marg wins again, still queen.
No one's ever going to
They are flamethrowing warplanes in a world without gunpowder
Put heavy stone walls around it, he might come back as a zombie
e I'm bad at names
When The Mountain reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled
Yes Brave Ser Gregor turned about, and gallantly he chickened out
Master of chickens is spicing the wiiiiiiiiiings
With garlic and ginger and all kinds of thiiiiiiiiiings
Come on, he'd clearly be a vampire.
You're just jaeleous of the baelish!!!
GRR stop posting on the forums please
I'm sorely tempted to check out Skins just to see how different she is in it.
But she wouldn't be the Queen of westeros.
Satans..... hints.....
but i'm so tired of writing these damn books
you kids won't let me stop