IOC just needs to coordinate with other international sports bodies on venue usage. I'm not opposed to the idea that the games could or should be held anywhere that's big enough, that's part of the fun, i think. Coordination would just make sure the venues were used properly and help see that they're paid for.
Of course it precludes the massive corruption going on in these bodies.
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why does rape increase at the olympic city? that just seems crazy and weird.
not questioning the veracity of the statement - just wondering if there is any reasoning behind this.
Because half the city is enormous City of God slums called favelas, which have been run by criminals forever. Brazil instituted a police crackdown, but violence is picking up again in preparation for the Olympics- Western tourists mean lots of new drug customers, which means dinero, and the gangs are fighting over it.
Also what's happening to Rousseff isn't a coup, just normal impeachment proceedings- the ruling party laundered money through Petrobas, the state-owned oil company, and there were lots of budget shenanigans under her watch where only a portion of earmarked subsidies were actually paid out to the intended beneficiaries. Where did the rest of the money go? Who knows! Wikipedia also states that she, as the Brazilian President, is also guilty of a "crime of responsibility" in not keeping the accounting honest.
So just simple corruption, nothing more, nothing less. Remember, this is a place where the anti-corruption minister had to step down because of corruption. Yay, IOC!
I've been a proponent of the proposal for one contiguous site or a small number of contiguous sites for quite a while. You could have it in a rotation of London/Paris/Tokyo/New York, or just single site, like Athens, where everyone in the world chips in to build a quality, high-tech facility that athletes all over could come and train and compete at.
Same for winter olympics, really.
Site the winter olympics in antarctica! International land!
why does rape increase at the olympic city? that just seems crazy and weird.
not questioning the veracity of the statement - just wondering if there is any reasoning behind this.
Because half the city is enormous City of God slums called favelas, which have been run by criminals forever. Brazil instituted a police crackdown, but violence is picking up again in preparation for the Olympics- Western tourists mean lots of new drug customers, which means dinero, and the gangs are fighting over it.
Also what's happening to Rousseff isn't a coup, just normal impeachment proceedings- the ruling party laundered money through Petrobas, the state-owned oil company, and there were lots of budget shenanigans under her watch where only a portion of earmarked subsidies were actually paid out to the intended beneficiaries. Where did the rest of the money go? Who knows! Wikipedia also states that she, as the Brazilian President, is also guilty of a "crime of responsibility" in not keeping the accounting honest.
So just simple corruption, nothing more, nothing less. Remember, this is a place where the anti-corruption minister had to step down because of corruption. Yay, IOC!
If you don't think that there is more to to what is happening in Brazil than just simple corruption, then you have not been paying attention. That anti-corruption minister that just stepped down? He was part of the new government that replaced Rousseff, and he was forced to step down because he was trying to kill the Car Wash probe before it started going into his side.
I've been a proponent of the proposal for one contiguous site or a small number of contiguous sites for quite a while. You could have it in a rotation of London/Paris/Tokyo/New York, or just single site, like Athens, where everyone in the world chips in to build a quality, high-tech facility that athletes all over could come and train and compete at.
Same for winter olympics, really.
Site the winter olympics in antarctica! International land!
I've been a proponent of the proposal for one contiguous site or a small number of contiguous sites for quite a while. You could have it in a rotation of London/Paris/Tokyo/New York, or just single site, like Athens, where everyone in the world chips in to build a quality, high-tech facility that athletes all over could come and train and compete at.
Same for winter olympics, really.
Site the winter olympics in antarctica! International land!
Brilliant!
The only problem is that its summer in antarctica.
It wasn't wrong for Rousseff to get impeached per se, but it is blatant politicking or sexism to suggest that Temer is the person Brazil needed to replace her.
I've been a proponent of the proposal for one contiguous site or a small number of contiguous sites for quite a while. You could have it in a rotation of London/Paris/Tokyo/New York, or just single site, like Athens, where everyone in the world chips in to build a quality, high-tech facility that athletes all over could come and train and compete at.
Same for winter olympics, really.
Site the winter olympics in antarctica! International land!
Brilliant!
The only problem is that its summer in antarctica.
The only problem.
Well yeah, and Brazil is south of the Equator, so it's their winter while hosting the Summer Olympics.
I've been a proponent of the proposal for one contiguous site or a small number of contiguous sites for quite a while. You could have it in a rotation of London/Paris/Tokyo/New York, or just single site, like Athens, where everyone in the world chips in to build a quality, high-tech facility that athletes all over could come and train and compete at.
Same for winter olympics, really.
Site the winter olympics in antarctica! International land!
Brilliant!
The only problem is that its summer in antarctica.
The only problem.
You would need it to be summer in Antarctica for the Games; the winter won't have any daylight.
Luckily, summer in Antarctica is at the same time as winter in the northern hemisphere so American viewers wouldn't get confused anyway.
I've been a proponent of the proposal for one contiguous site or a small number of contiguous sites for quite a while. You could have it in a rotation of London/Paris/Tokyo/New York, or just single site, like Athens, where everyone in the world chips in to build a quality, high-tech facility that athletes all over could come and train and compete at.
Same for winter olympics, really.
Site the winter olympics in antarctica! International land!
Losers get eaten by polar bears.
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AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
I've been a proponent of the proposal for one contiguous site or a small number of contiguous sites for quite a while. You could have it in a rotation of London/Paris/Tokyo/New York, or just single site, like Athens, where everyone in the world chips in to build a quality, high-tech facility that athletes all over could come and train and compete at.
Same for winter olympics, really.
Site the winter olympics in antarctica! International land!
I've been a proponent of the proposal for one contiguous site or a small number of contiguous sites for quite a while. You could have it in a rotation of London/Paris/Tokyo/New York, or just single site, like Athens, where everyone in the world chips in to build a quality, high-tech facility that athletes all over could come and train and compete at.
Same for winter olympics, really.
Site the winter olympics in antarctica! International land!
I've been a proponent of the proposal for one contiguous site or a small number of contiguous sites for quite a while. You could have it in a rotation of London/Paris/Tokyo/New York, or just single site, like Athens, where everyone in the world chips in to build a quality, high-tech facility that athletes all over could come and train and compete at.
Same for winter olympics, really.
Site the winter olympics in antarctica! International land!
I would like to say that the OP is kind of wrong. Sochi and Beijing where not back to back disasters, there where London and Vancouver between them. Both of which where pretty successful. Sochi and Beijing where also a winter and summer Olympiad respectively. Also I know a lot of US viewers hate the coverage from the London Olympics, but that was more the case of shitty US broadcasters. The BBC did an excellent job and those that got to experience it got unbiased great coverage of pretty much every event.
But other then that... the OP is pretty much on the money.
Its kind of obvious that the era of big sporting events like this have passed.
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
I've been a proponent of the proposal for one contiguous site or a small number of contiguous sites for quite a while. You could have it in a rotation of London/Paris/Tokyo/New York, or just single site, like Athens, where everyone in the world chips in to build a quality, high-tech facility that athletes all over could come and train and compete at.
Same for winter olympics, really.
Site the winter olympics in antarctica! International land!
This is the way the world ends.
This is the way the world ends.
This is the way the world ends.
Not with a bang but with a whimper.
Though it might be from all the athletes banging and spreading Zika around the world.
Seriously though, if my event took place anywhere near that water I'd politely "nope" right the fuck out. A shot at a medal isn't worth swimming in literal shit.
This is the way the world ends.
This is the way the world ends.
This is the way the world ends.
Not with a bang but with a whimper.
Though it might be from all the athletes banging and spreading Zika around the world.
Seriously though, if my event took place anywhere near that water I'd politely "nope" right the fuck out. A shot at a medal isn't worth swimming in literal shit.
And it'll be a shame when dozens or hundreds of the finest athletes in the world come down with some simply horrifying things.
And every single member of the IOC should be held accountable if so much as one of them comes down with even a strange rash from that shit water, but that doesn't change the fact that these individuals have been training their whole lives for this chance.
I don't blame them one bit for having the drive to follow through despite the obvious dangers. It's that drive that got them this far, and it's that drive that makes young athletes aspire to be just like them. That's the heart of the Olympics.
Yeah, I imagine the situation is, you've dedicated your entire life for years towards one singular goal. It's not a hobby. It's not even a job. It is your entire life. You can't just easily throw that away and invalidate everything at the drop of a hat. Not without having some form of existential crisis.
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
It's the same drive that makes teenagers take laxatives and wrap in trash bags to sweat off dangerous amount of water to drop a weight class. Or start doing steroids so they can compete for a spot on the varsity team.
The Olympic Games aren't some sacred thing. They're entertainment. Until we start valuing the people they impact and fairness of competition over medal counts that's what they'll stay.
I expect in a couple more cycles the major networks will stop covering them entirely.
Yeah, I imagine the situation is, you've dedicated your entire life for years towards one singular goal. It's not a hobby. It's not even a job. It is your entire life. You can't just easily throw that away and invalidate everything at the drop of a hat. Not without having some form of existential crisis.
And remember the real kicker is the Olympics are every 4 years.
For some of these people, they may never get another shot.
Look, we've been over this a few times over the years. I'm no stranger to the tens of thousands of hours these people have put into their given field, becoming the best of the best and often in peak physical condition.
I'm not blind to this possibly being their one chance, and I'm sure there are athletes who would allow themselves to be intentionally infected with horrific diseases and probably lop off a few less necessary body parts while at it just for a shot at the podium.
It's still a fucking travesty that it should be remotely plausible. It's a pending debacle. Their commitment to participation is not in question.
Sorry if I'm a bit snippy here, but we *have* had this discussion before, as recently as the 'lol what a clusterfuck, they're painting the grass and the hotels are a disaster' from the last Olympics. But I'd say this seems immeasurably worse.
Forar on
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
Of course it's worse. It gets worse every time it seems. These international sporting events are slowly becoming larger and larger boondoggles.
The problem was that after the 2014 Cup, the IOC should have either taken the Games away, or demanded significant demonstrations that Rio would be ready.
If you don't think that there is more to to what is happening in Brazil than just simple corruption, then you have not been paying attention. That anti-corruption minister that just stepped down? He was part of the new government that replaced Rousseff, and he was forced to step down because he was trying to kill the Car Wash probe before it started going into his side.
Corruption on both sides of the aisle. The more market-friendly faction is using the corruption probe into current/previous left wing rule to replace left-wing ministers with centrist/right-wing ones. I don't think what's going on is racist or sexist, but color me deeply unsurprised that the opposition's had their thumb in the pie as well.
What was it they said on The Daily Show last week?
The water in the bay was less than 50% water, I think? And 2 teaspoons of it would be enough to catch a virus?
Yeah, there was some estimate that it was (a bit) over 50% sewage. Something like millions of times the contaminants that would get a beach in the US shut down.
It was 3 teaspoons, which I only remember because of the visual gag Trevor did to accompany that part.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
A thought i'd been having reading this, is that the athletes from developing countries really shouldn't care, and that people from advanced countries nopeing out because they can't stand to encounter a two-week touristy version of what Brazilians have to live with seems a tad elitist.
I mean, ideally issues of class and global inequality shouldn't factor in, it should be about the competition and the infrastructure of a host country getting in the way of the competition is a bad thing, but the sentiment of "oh, those poor French/Israeli/Japanese athletes having to go deal with that" comes off wrong.
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Of course it precludes the massive corruption going on in these bodies.
Also what's happening to Rousseff isn't a coup, just normal impeachment proceedings- the ruling party laundered money through Petrobas, the state-owned oil company, and there were lots of budget shenanigans under her watch where only a portion of earmarked subsidies were actually paid out to the intended beneficiaries. Where did the rest of the money go? Who knows! Wikipedia also states that she, as the Brazilian President, is also guilty of a "crime of responsibility" in not keeping the accounting honest.
So just simple corruption, nothing more, nothing less. Remember, this is a place where the anti-corruption minister had to step down because of corruption. Yay, IOC!
Site the winter olympics in antarctica! International land!
If you don't think that there is more to to what is happening in Brazil than just simple corruption, then you have not been paying attention. That anti-corruption minister that just stepped down? He was part of the new government that replaced Rousseff, and he was forced to step down because he was trying to kill the Car Wash probe before it started going into his side.
Brilliant!
The only problem is that its summer in antarctica.
The only problem.
Well yeah, and Brazil is south of the Equator, so it's their winter while hosting the Summer Olympics.
You would need it to be summer in Antarctica for the Games; the winter won't have any daylight.
Luckily, summer in Antarctica is at the same time as winter in the northern hemisphere so American viewers wouldn't get confused anyway.
Losers get eaten by polar bears.
wrong continent
I would think the losers get eaten by Things.
Skuas.
Leopard Seals.
But other then that... the OP is pretty much on the money.
Its kind of obvious that the era of big sporting events like this have passed.
Losers get eaten by penguins?
In terms of competence yeah
Human rights and stuff are a separate story and more of a China thing than an Olympics thing
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
One of them is a pure nightmare-fuel, extinction of the human race scenario
The other was a John Carpenter movie
Funny you say that...
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/49rcb9/this_is_guanabara_bay_where_olympic_athletes_will/d0ujvia
It's what is necessary to be athletically competitive at the elite level, though.
Oh sure, they say that now
What happens when they don't have a paddle anymore?
And every single member of the IOC should be held accountable if so much as one of them comes down with even a strange rash from that shit water, but that doesn't change the fact that these individuals have been training their whole lives for this chance.
I don't blame them one bit for having the drive to follow through despite the obvious dangers. It's that drive that got them this far, and it's that drive that makes young athletes aspire to be just like them. That's the heart of the Olympics.
The Olympic Games aren't some sacred thing. They're entertainment. Until we start valuing the people they impact and fairness of competition over medal counts that's what they'll stay.
I expect in a couple more cycles the major networks will stop covering them entirely.
And remember the real kicker is the Olympics are every 4 years.
For some of these people, they may never get another shot.
I'm not blind to this possibly being their one chance, and I'm sure there are athletes who would allow themselves to be intentionally infected with horrific diseases and probably lop off a few less necessary body parts while at it just for a shot at the podium.
It's still a fucking travesty that it should be remotely plausible. It's a pending debacle. Their commitment to participation is not in question.
Sorry if I'm a bit snippy here, but we *have* had this discussion before, as recently as the 'lol what a clusterfuck, they're painting the grass and the hotels are a disaster' from the last Olympics. But I'd say this seems immeasurably worse.
The problem was that after the 2014 Cup, the IOC should have either taken the Games away, or demanded significant demonstrations that Rio would be ready.
People are gonna get really sick.
The water in the bay was less than 50% water, I think? And 2 teaspoons of it would be enough to catch a virus?
Yeah, there was some estimate that it was (a bit) over 50% sewage. Something like millions of times the contaminants that would get a beach in the US shut down.
It was 3 teaspoons, which I only remember because of the visual gag Trevor did to accompany that part.
Should we take bets on how much of that money is actually used to clean stuff up and help the people vs. lining someone's pockets?
Yeah, throwing money at this problem is not going to solve it.
The IOC needs to get some of the larger nations involved in the actual planning and work. Don't send any more money down there.
I mean, ideally issues of class and global inequality shouldn't factor in, it should be about the competition and the infrastructure of a host country getting in the way of the competition is a bad thing, but the sentiment of "oh, those poor French/Israeli/Japanese athletes having to go deal with that" comes off wrong.
It's also kind of discouraging that they couldn't just go 50 kilometers up or down the coast and put the events there.