i hold that battleborn is a perfectly playable 7/10 multiplayer game that has likeable aspects, but which is shackled to some of the Worst Business Decisions Of All Time
also the writing is not even close to good enough to inspire me that they could do a decent "duke nukem is confronted with being a shitty person and tries to be better" style of self-lampooning narrative that is the only way I can imagine that character being interesting again.
i hold that battleborn is a perfectly playable 7/10 multiplayer game that has likeable aspects, but which is shackled to some of the Worst Business Decisions Of All Time
also the writing is not even close to good enough to inspire me that they could do a decent "duke nukem is confronted with being a shitty person and tries to be better" style of self-lampooning narrative that is the only way I can imagine that character being interesting again.
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you're having a different conversation here dude, inagtp is talking specifically about battleborn, not gearbox as a whole
also the writing in battleborn is fine, it's close to borderlands style
if you don't like borderlands, that's fine, but the writing tends to be be critically pretty well-regarded
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i hold that battleborn is a perfectly playable 7/10 multiplayer game that has likeable aspects, but which is shackled to some of the Worst Business Decisions Of All Time
also the writing is not even close to good enough to inspire me that they could do a decent "duke nukem is confronted with being a shitty person and tries to be better" style of self-lampooning narrative that is the only way I can imagine that character being interesting again.
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you're having a different conversation here dude, inagtp is talking specifically about battleborn, not gearbox as a whole
also the writing in battleborn is fine, it's close to borderlands style
if you don't like borderlands, that's fine, but the writing tends to be be critically pretty well-regarded
this was in reference to people talking about gearbox doing something new with duke nukem like a self-aware deconstruction of his character, a conversation which the post I was quoting was connected to. It would have made more sense a couple pages ago I guess. I was just trying to say that in my opinion I don't think the writing seen in battleborn shows the kind of chops necessary to do a story like that well. I also think borderlands (1) has... better writing than battleborn, but I still don't (personally, IMHO, etc.) like it.
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Someone really good at squirting condiments made that, that is a practiced hand, I bet that person could write beautiful cursive with Arby's carcass-sauce
The perfect self parodic take on Duke Nukem has already been done. It was called "Duke Nukem 3D"
Nah, DN3D played the "Action hero who spouts one-liners and gets all the babes" thing perfectly straight. The parody humor was mostly in referencing OTHER things, like a neolithic Family Guy.
EDIT: If those screenshots ARE from the game, I'd be disappointed. There's already a modern version of DN3D (Megaton Edition) on Steam that pretty much looks like that already.
EDIT: Haha, looks like the Megaton Edition has been taken off Steam. So I guess this is going to be a reiteration of DN3D.
I put it to you that if you think Duke Nukem 3D was playing it straight that you are wrong.
Feel free to give some examples, because I'm just not seeing it. There's nothing self deprecating, or ironic, or deconstructed about Duke's portrayal in that game. He's entirely a 100% generic action hero what spouts the one-liners from that movie you like. The game doesn't say anything about that character, other than "isn't this cool?"
His entire thing was that he was ludicrously over the top portrayal of that stereotype. He parodied it by taking it up to 150%. His autobiography was called "Why I Am So Great"
His entire thing was that he was ludicrously over the top portrayal of that stereotype. He parodied it by taking it up to 150%. His autobiography was called "Why I Am So Great"
He seemed pretty average considering the action movies of the 80's and 90's.
His entire thing was that he was ludicrously over the top portrayal of that stereotype. He parodied it by taking it up to 150%. His autobiography was called "Why I Am So Great"
He seemed pretty average considering the action movies of the 80's and 90's.
His entire thing was that he was ludicrously over the top portrayal of that stereotype. He parodied it by taking it up to 150%. His autobiography was called "Why I Am So Great"
yeah but the world absolutely reinforced that behavior all the way through the game
it's not a deconstruction if it's reveling in the absurdity or fantasy of the machismo 80s musclegun merc
His entire thing was that he was ludicrously over the top portrayal of that stereotype. He parodied it by taking it up to 150%. His autobiography was called "Why I Am So Great"
yeah but the world absolutely reinforced that behavior all the way through the game
it's not a deconstruction if it's reveling in the absurdity or fantasy of the machismo 80s musclegun merc
Austin Powers is proven to be right, great and a sexual dynamo but the film is still recognisably a parody of James Bond. It's certainly not a deconstruction, but it's a parody.
I definitely never got the sense that Duke Nukem 3D was turning the character up to 11 to make fun of it, it felt like turning it up to 11 and going "isn't that the coolest, edgiest, and badassest?"
Like it was marketed that way and we kids interpreted it that way as well. If they were actually going for satire the audience missed the joke.
Entirely possible. I haven't played it since the Xbox Live release.
Consider the source though. 3D Realms from 1996. "Lets make fun of action movies by turning them up to 11" seems more far fetched to me than "Let's include all this stuff we like from action movies!"
Especially given how the humor in that game (and their future games) went.
But when I tried 2, it just felt like more of the same, and I got bored very fast.
I think I just kinda got burnt out after playing the living hell out of the first one and all the DLC it had.
This and also I kind of hated everything about the writing and story in Borderlands 2 that wasn't Ellie. I finished it but the second I did I was done entirely.
Borderlands 3 has to do a lot to make me interested in going back to that world and gameplay. First, best step would be to hear no reference to the words Handsome nor Jack in any instance or combination.
But when I tried 2, it just felt like more of the same, and I got bored very fast.
I think I just kinda got burnt out after playing the living hell out of the first one and all the DLC it had.
This and also I kind of hated everything about the writing and story in Borderlands 2 that wasn't Ellie. I finished it but the second I did I was done entirely.
Borderlands 3 has to do a lot to make me interested in going back to that world and gameplay. First, best step would be to hear no reference to the words Handsome nor Jack in any instance or combination.
Well the head writer of BL2, Anthony Burch, is no longer with Gearbox.
His entire thing was that he was ludicrously over the top portrayal of that stereotype. He parodied it by taking it up to 150%. His autobiography was called "Why I Am So Great"
yeah but the world absolutely reinforced that behavior all the way through the game
it's not a deconstruction if it's reveling in the absurdity or fantasy of the machismo 80s musclegun merc
Austin Powers is proven to be right, great and a sexual dynamo but the film is still recognisably a parody of James Bond. It's certainly not a deconstruction, but it's a parody.
The entire first film is Austin learning to not be a swinging dirtbag anymore.
It literally ends with him in a monogamous relationship.
It wasn't until the sequels that they went back on that. (They basically Flanderized him)
I started again as the chief of Rana and I'm currently fighting the cruel High Chief of Saxony who is both a habitual cannibal and an apprentice boardgamer
But still not as weird as this guy, I have no idea what his deal is
I started again as the chief of Rana and I'm currently fighting the cruel High Chief of Saxony who is both a habitual cannibal and an apprentice boardgamer
But still not as weird as this guy, I have no idea what his deal is
I'm guessing candles!
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the only way battleborn survives is by releasing 3 months after it did, about 2 months after overwatch is out, and trying to market it as an alternative to people who burned out on overwatch
But when I tried 2, it just felt like more of the same, and I got bored very fast.
I think I just kinda got burnt out after playing the living hell out of the first one and all the DLC it had.
This and also I kind of hated everything about the writing and story in Borderlands 2 that wasn't Ellie. I finished it but the second I did I was done entirely.
Borderlands 3 has to do a lot to make me interested in going back to that world and gameplay. First, best step would be to hear no reference to the words Handsome nor Jack in any instance or combination.
Well the head writer of BL2, Anthony Burch, is no longer with Gearbox.
And writer on Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel, and writer on Tales from the Borderlands: A Telltale Games Series
So yeah hopefully the Handsome Jack trilogy is over. I'd also like to see it not on Pandora, but that's a lesser wish.
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you're having a different conversation here dude, inagtp is talking specifically about battleborn, not gearbox as a whole
also the writing in battleborn is fine, it's close to borderlands style
if you don't like borderlands, that's fine, but the writing tends to be be critically pretty well-regarded
the sales figures do a better job at parody
this was in reference to people talking about gearbox doing something new with duke nukem like a self-aware deconstruction of his character, a conversation which the post I was quoting was connected to. It would have made more sense a couple pages ago I guess. I was just trying to say that in my opinion I don't think the writing seen in battleborn shows the kind of chops necessary to do a story like that well. I also think borderlands (1) has... better writing than battleborn, but I still don't (personally, IMHO, etc.) like it.
Man, I remember the moment where it was abundantly clear that everyone, developer included, knew the game was on its way out.
They put out what I think was their first new character. For definitely too much actual money for one dang character.
And everyone realized this was just one last attempt to make some money for the moment and that sour realization was the game's death blow.
The Pre-Sequel was okay too, but as it was just Slightly Different More Borderlands I never finished it.
Nah, DN3D played the "Action hero who spouts one-liners and gets all the babes" thing perfectly straight. The parody humor was mostly in referencing OTHER things, like a neolithic Family Guy.
EDIT: If those screenshots ARE from the game, I'd be disappointed. There's already a modern version of DN3D (Megaton Edition) on Steam that pretty much looks like that already.
EDIT: Haha, looks like the Megaton Edition has been taken off Steam. So I guess this is going to be a reiteration of DN3D.
Feel free to give some examples, because I'm just not seeing it. There's nothing self deprecating, or ironic, or deconstructed about Duke's portrayal in that game. He's entirely a 100% generic action hero what spouts the one-liners from that movie you like. The game doesn't say anything about that character, other than "isn't this cool?"
He seemed pretty average considering the action movies of the 80's and 90's.
He's basically Schwarzenegger.
EDIT: Without the accent, of course.
Go further back to Duke Nukem 2
and you find that he in fact sounds like Arnold
yeah but the world absolutely reinforced that behavior all the way through the game
it's not a deconstruction if it's reveling in the absurdity or fantasy of the machismo 80s musclegun merc
Austin Powers is proven to be right, great and a sexual dynamo but the film is still recognisably a parody of James Bond. It's certainly not a deconstruction, but it's a parody.
Like it was marketed that way and we kids interpreted it that way as well. If they were actually going for satire the audience missed the joke.
Entirely possible. I haven't played it since the Xbox Live release.
Consider the source though. 3D Realms from 1996. "Lets make fun of action movies by turning them up to 11" seems more far fetched to me than "Let's include all this stuff we like from action movies!"
Especially given how the humor in that game (and their future games) went.
This and also I kind of hated everything about the writing and story in Borderlands 2 that wasn't Ellie. I finished it but the second I did I was done entirely.
Borderlands 3 has to do a lot to make me interested in going back to that world and gameplay. First, best step would be to hear no reference to the words Handsome nor Jack in any instance or combination.
Well the head writer of BL2, Anthony Burch, is no longer with Gearbox.
The entire first film is Austin learning to not be a swinging dirtbag anymore.
It literally ends with him in a monogamous relationship.
It wasn't until the sequels that they went back on that. (They basically Flanderized him)
So I started up a new campaign and promptly died one year into it from diarrhea
Now the medieval experience is finally complete
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But still not as weird as this guy, I have no idea what his deal is
battleborn announced its release date before overwatch and then blizzard sat on them
what do you do as that marketing department if you can't get the date changed
e: that's not trying be snippy or anything i actually think that's one of the hardest decisions to make
it's literally impossible that people don't know about the Other Game, it's impossible, it's too big
I'm guessing candles!
And writer on Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel, and writer on Tales from the Borderlands: A Telltale Games Series
So yeah hopefully the Handsome Jack trilogy is over. I'd also like to see it not on Pandora, but that's a lesser wish.
That's Gigantic not Battleborn
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